Survey for Outdoor Lovers
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Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 11:16:58 MDT Print View

Dear Backpackinglight community,

My name is Valerie and currently I am an MBA student in Columbia University. I am huge fan of backpacking and any outdoor activities, so I have decided to research Backpacking market for one of my MBA classes. I would highly appreciate if some of you find 10 min of your time to help me with this survey. It is only 24 questions, but it will help me a lot to learn more about the Outdoor Market.

The survey is completely anonymous. https://columbia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_cUYcyboQW1nUZSd

I would highly appreciate for any help!

Sincerely,
Valerie

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 11:23:23 MDT Print View

"My name is Valerie and currently I am an MBA student in Columbia University."

"I would highly appreciate for any help!"

Sounds phishy Especially with the chance to get an e mail address.

No need to post on multiple forums.

The questions are geared towards finding out how you plan and how much you are willing to spend. Like for any traveler. Not so much for the "outdoor lover" IMO.

And hipster, really? No one can possibly take you seriously. With the appalling grammar in your post, plus the poorly executed questions, wow.

Edited by kthompson on 09/22/2013 12:45:43 MDT.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 11:59:29 MDT Print View

Let's see, three year program at: (this is from Columbia's website)

ESTIMATED STUDENT BUDGET

Tuition (0–21 points/term): $60,720
Mandatory fees: $4,087
Health services and insurance: $2,291
Books and supplies: $900
Room and board: $20,700
Personal expenses: $4,590
Total first-year budget: $93,288


And you want my help? I am laughing all the way to your future to-big-to-fail bank.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 12:14:10 MDT Print View

Oh ... I thought this was gonna be a survey about peoples intimate relations in the Great Outdoors ... never mind.

Slaton Whatley
(AlpinistoOutdoors) - M

Locale: Catalinas, Saguaro, Grand Canyon
Art.... on 09/22/2013 13:08:48 MDT Print View

I did too! Hahaha. I was think "well I do have an outdoor lover so I guess I could answer some questions." You beat me to the punch!

Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 13:57:54 MDT Print View

Dear kthompson,

I am sorry you took it so close to your heart. I really do try to get as many reviews as possible. I am targeting mostly young professionals and college students. If you think my grammar is poorly executed, it is because unlike you I am not originally from the US. The survey is really to find out who would be interested in a small business idea, not much about people think about the survey.

I apologize if you found it offensive.

Thank you,
V

Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 13:59:11 MDT Print View

Umm.....so what? I am doing my homework. What is wrong with that?

Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 14:12:57 MDT Print View

Gosh people, what is wrong with the community here? I always thought the backpacking community is one that is more welcoming, and willing to help. Don't try to prove me wrong. All i asked is to fill out the survey. If you are judging me for paying my tuition in columbia, I can make it easier for you by saying that I pay for it by borrowing money from numerous loan corporations. And yes, I will be paying them off, which should not be anyone's concern anyways. If you feel that the survey is nothing of your interest, leave the post and do something else. It is voluntary!!! for people who actually do want to help with the research.

Slaton Whatley
(AlpinistoOutdoors) - M

Locale: Catalinas, Saguaro, Grand Canyon
I'll do it on 09/22/2013 14:49:48 MDT Print View

I'll do it now

Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Re: I'll do it on 09/22/2013 14:55:02 MDT Print View

Thank you Slaton.

Slaton Whatley
(AlpinistoOutdoors) - M

Locale: Catalinas, Saguaro, Grand Canyon
Complete on 09/22/2013 14:56:20 MDT Print View

done

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 15:24:42 MDT Print View

Hi Valerie

> Gosh people, what is wrong with the community here?
Nothing is wrong, but we have had quite a few scammers trying to rip people off in the past. So it is understandable that there is always a bit of suspicion in cases like this. Welcome to the real world!

Cheers

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 15:28:52 MDT Print View

I can be a professional hipster!?!?!

This looks like some fishy spam site trying to harvest email addresses.
You made a new account and have only posted in this thread. You haven't contributed to this forum and I have no compelling reason to do your survey. Nobody is going to give you the benefit of the doubt so stop whining about it.
Why don't you get your facebook friends to do it? The survey isn't even backpacking related.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 15:41:29 MDT Print View

Hi Valerie

I suspect you have NOT researched the market. Your survey asks us to select from the following categories:

Hipster Professional
Young Professional
College Student
A Family Guy/Gal
Corporate Worker
Careerist
Just a Hipster

First of all, what is a hipster in this context? It seems completely irrelevant. A bit too much gen X.

But far more importantly, you have omitted two of the bigger categories in the backpacking community: mature-aged people (eg 50-65) and retirees. Far too much emphasis on the youth market in your list, plus the two categories you omitted have a lot more disposable income!

Cheers

Slaton Whatley
(AlpinistoOutdoors) - M

Locale: Catalinas, Saguaro, Grand Canyon
.. on 09/22/2013 15:45:48 MDT Print View

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Edited by AlpinistoOutdoors on 09/22/2013 15:46:27 MDT.

Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/22/2013 16:21:46 MDT Print View

Hi Roger,

Thank you very much for the feedback. You are correct I am actually in the process of defining my archetype. I do know that large number of hikers are in the age group of 50+. However, those people also would not commit to the idea of the pre-planned route. Most of them enjoy the process of planning as part of the experience. That is why I am trying to target people who are younger and think they don't have time for anything.

If you have any suggestions how to proceed further I will be more than happy to hear them out.

Sincerely,
Valerie

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/23/2013 04:14:52 MDT Print View

> I do know that large number of hikers are in the age group of 50+. However, those
> people also would not commit to the idea of the pre-planned route.

Huh???? You really do NOT know much about walking, do you?

Europe, America and other countries are covered with long-distance trails, some of which which can take several months to walk. People do these, end to end. And many of the people doing them are retired.

Psychologically, you have it back to front. Anyone committing to a month-long walk will have (to have) a very clear itinery mapped out to maintain the required focus, and the overwhelming odds are that it will be a known trail.

Cheers

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Re: Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/23/2013 07:28:58 MDT Print View

Yeah, I agree with Roger.

Generally, you have to have a good starting point. And you need a good exit point, even if it is the end of the trail, you still have to get home. I usually trace my route with a highlighter, but, there is always the side trips and alternate routes along a longer trail. Inbetween starting/stopping, there is too much variability to say I will be at Point A on This Date at That Time. I rely on communications, verbal between other hikers, telephones, and spot checks (whenever possible) for that.

There are a lot of trails out there. Choosing to do a long distance one means some research. YOU will be hiking the trail and it will do you no good to have someone map out a route, FOR you. Generally, trail maps, and topo maps will still be needed because they are needed on the trail, and, these are readily available (well, usually.) You need to start familiarizing yourself with the trail, with or without an itinerary. Indeed, an itinerary may not be possible untill AFTER familiarization. And, hikers do not always maintain 20mi per day. Sometimes you make only 12, depending on conditions. You can never count on conditions.

Current Conditions can change a trail. Wild fires along the PCT. Impassible water in the Grand Canyon. Blowdowns in Vermont. Slides burring/washing away trails in NY. This would be more interesting, but a month or two could well change current conditions and would be costly to maintain in a large database of trails.

I am not sure a service to provide this really has a place in the hiking community. There are simply too many variables, right down to a hiker deciding to take a zero somewhere just because it's pretty.

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
I took it. on 09/23/2013 09:49:14 MDT Print View

This site is not a useful demographic for you to survey about pre-planned trips. People here love trip planning with a fervency that periodically erupts into arguments about posers spending all their time planning and none of their time outside.

What you are looking for is the "lazy weekend warrior" demographic, who has a bunch of backpacking stuff in the garage but only uses it once per year b/c they don't really know what they're doing and don't have the ambition to learn. Or the "pokemon trainers" who gotta collect all the activities and are interested in saying they hiked such-and-such a trail but are too busy with a thousand other things to do the prep work themselves.

Valerie Boshoer
(malera)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Survey for Outdoor Lovers on 09/23/2013 19:02:46 MDT Print View

Roger, James, and spelt!,


Thank you very much for your input.

Roger, I do some backpacking, but as spelt! pointed it out, I am one of those "lazy weekend warriors". Not because I am not willing to learn, but because in the U.S unfortunately you have only two weeks of vacations and that limits your abilities to go for long distance routes. Interestingly, my husband and I as backpackers do not like to on commercial trails, but plan interesting ones ourselves. We wanted to narrow down our Target Market with various options. That was the reason I posted this survey on backpackinglight. We got a feedback from backpackers who actually do heavy trip planning. I wanted to learn if that would be useful to them. Having 60+ survey respondents, I have found out who would be my Target Market to begin with, and change my survey to something that would be more appropriate for them (an post in on appropriate websites). Originally, we wanted to target backpackers, but thankfully to this forum and some other ones, we have learned that it would be more appropriate for other activities.

In addition, it helped me to narrow down my areas of focus for specific activities where pre-planned route would be more appropriate. In fact, the reason we like this idea is because we like planning so much :)

In anyways,

I appreciate any comments posted here and would like to hear more suggestions from you guys,

Thank you,
Valerie