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Dennis Park
(dpark) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
camp/water shoes on 09/15/2013 16:36:20 MDT Print View

I remember coming across a thread a few years back about a 1oz shoe that I think was originally in the swimmning products industry. Does this ring a bell to anybody? Could it be used to cross creeks? Thanks

(I know I could do it in my trailrunners but I don't like the wet feel afterwards.)

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: camp/water shoes on 09/15/2013 17:54:32 MDT Print View

http://www.sprintaquatics.com/prodinfo.asp?number=900

McDowell Crook
(mcdcrook) - M

Locale: Southeast
sprint aquatics on 09/16/2013 08:49:40 MDT Print View

I used a pair of these last winter on the Eagle Creek trail in the Smokies, involving about 17 crossings through waist-high water. They performed well, but by the end of the day some of the stitching was fraying and there was a tear in the mesh. You have to be very, very gentle when putting on/taking off.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
actual weight? on 09/16/2013 09:14:47 MDT Print View

What do they actually weigh? Certainly more than 1 oz, no?

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Alex H
(abhitt) - MLife

Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW
Re: actual weight? on 09/16/2013 09:23:26 MDT Print View

my larges weight 1.9 oz. (pair)

I can't imagine using them for the Eagle creek trail, I am not sure how they held together and your feet didn't also scream in pain. We just waded through with trail shoes.

Edited by abhitt on 09/16/2013 11:45:09 MDT.

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
"camp/water shoes" on 09/16/2013 09:57:44 MDT Print View

Actually my pair of Sprint Aquatics have been going good for years. For the money and the lack of weight, I've been happy.

Mike Whitesell
(madgoat) - F

Locale: Ohio
Teva Mush Universal on 09/16/2013 10:54:26 MDT Print View

I did eagle creek years ago with a pair of standard Teva's. They worked fantastically, but they were also well over a pound for the pair.

Since then, I have been using crocs for water crossings, but I have never been quite happy with their stability and fit... they just dont work all that great for my feet.

I just bought a pair of Teva Mush Universal sandals which pair a cushy flip flop style footbed with Teva's original sport sandal straps. So far, I have liked them, but I haven't put them to trail use yet. (just got them this week)

In size 13, they come in around 2oz lighter than my crocs. Sweet!

http://www.teva.com/mens-mush-universal-sport-sandal/1004754,default,pd.html

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Mike's Tevas on 09/16/2013 20:16:52 MDT Print View

Mike,
Could you post the actual weight? Thanks.

BTW, Went to the site with your link and found there was an unanswered question about the weight. Went to their 'ask a question' and asked for weight in men's 10. Instead of an answer, got a note that they would post another weight question after the unanswered one. Who are these people? Maybe they are just artificial intelligences without any awareness. Teva minus 1.

Daniel Collins
(Diablo-V)

Locale: Orlando FL
teva mush on 09/16/2013 21:21:43 MDT Print View

teva mush size 9 = 10.5 oz

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: camp/water shoes on 09/17/2013 08:36:12 MDT Print View

Can I just give a huge plug for fellow BPLer Ryan French and his Exodus sandals, which he developed here in the MYOG forums. I was lucky enough to get in on his first beta test, used them as camp shoes on the JMT and frankly, don't ever want to take them off. They have turned into my dog walking shoes, run to the grocery store shoes, and honestly, make me take camp shoes again. They are brilliant, light, fit great (I hated trying to walk up a slope in crocs) and are just a pleasure to wear. I'm pretty sure he's making them for purchase now - I cannot recommend them enough.

Here's a pic of my filthy feet resting in a pair:
Feet

Here is the thread...

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=77878

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: camp/water shoes on 09/17/2013 09:49:18 MDT Print View

Does Ryan make a pair that can be worn with regular socks on (not toe socks) so I don't have to expose my dirty feets before I wash them in the evening before bed?

Or, can those be worn with regular socks and feel comfy enough without using the great toe strap?

Edited by jshann on 09/17/2013 09:50:38 MDT.

Stephen Murphy
(sjtm) - F
Saucony Hattori on 09/17/2013 10:35:37 MDT Print View

I have been very happy with these as a substitute to crocs. Mesh top, EVA sole, Velcro closures on instep and heel. They weigh less (8.6oz for the pair in size 10), drain well and are secure on my feet when crossing streams. The can be found on Ebay - I paid $35 for mine. Only drawback is they tend to be rather colorful. I only have a couple of "luxury items" in my pack. This is one of them.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Weight of Teva Mush Universal Sports Sandal on 09/17/2013 17:58:09 MDT Print View

Thanks, Dan.
Teva has replied:

"Q:
'Please advise weight per pair in men's size 10.'

"A:
Teva Product Specialist from Teva said:
'Our sample size that we base weight off of is a 9. Each pair weighs 10.4 oz. We would estimate a size 10 being about 10.6 oz per pair.'"

That's pretty good for something that looks like it could handle some serious fording, and improve safety with the thick sole and secure and comfy foot harness.
It's pointy rocks and insecure harnesses that have created the biggest problem for me.
Next biggest is freezing cold water during runoff that numbs the feet so much that I cannot feel where I'm treading. That can be fixed with a light neoprene sock, but that adds 3-4 more oz. So maybe 14 oz or so overall. Maybe worth it to be able to do crossings with ease, keeping other gear dry.

Would be interested in how others feel about this, especially in comparison to experiences with the several varieties of crocs ('croc-offs') of around the same weight. Thanks.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Weight of Teva Mush Universal Sports Sandal on 09/17/2013 18:18:05 MDT Print View

I have and old non-Teva brand that looks exactly like these Tevas under discussion. They weigh about 8oz for size 8.

They were comfortable and can wear socks in camp. BUT... they tend to slip off the feet in river crossings... and slip on rounded cobbles... they also don't do well on steep dry ground slopes...

Now I have not tried the Tevas, but what I have looks exactly like them.

zemgear.com makes some neoprene like low cut booties with tough pads on the bottom that are about 6oz for size 8. These work great for river crossings... no way they come off your feet as they are snug... yet the stretch enough to wear boot socks inside when in camp...

Bill D.

Jesse Reeves
(JesseR.)

Locale: Reno, NV
Camp shoes... on 09/17/2013 21:38:38 MDT Print View

I've tried two setups in the past. I used some neoprene booties that were sturdy both in and out of the water, but were a little heavy and bulky. I still have them after about 3 years of use, and use them for wet-wading when flyfishing. They've held up great and are cheap!


Link: Neosport Booties

Then I picked a pair of these up at Marshalls for $25. They are comfy enough and sturdy enough that I have worn them for some like hiking(on a bikepacking trip, when my other option was my cycling shoes that I'd been wearing for days straight) and around camp, as well as slipped them on for some water activities(fishing). They stack fairly flat, and fit easily in the side mesh/stretch pocket of most packs. I bought them a half size larger than normal, so I could wear some thicker socks around camp, but even without socks they have some velcro straps that allow for a slight bit of adjustment to snug them up.
My size 11's are 10.24 ounces...


Link: Saucony Hattori AW

Edited by JesseR. on 09/17/2013 21:41:05 MDT.

Daniel Collins
(Diablo-V)

Locale: Orlando FL
ZEMGEAR on 09/17/2013 21:42:42 MDT Print View

Could you post which model you are speaking of ?
Zem makes numerous neoprene low and high cut shoes.
There is even one listed at 2.5 oz although most don't list the weights.
Thanks.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: ZEMGEAR on 09/17/2013 22:09:16 MDT Print View

I believe these are the ones I own:

360 NINJA & ROUND Toe
http://www.zemgear.com/collections/360-runners-series/

I got the round toe instead of the 'ninja' toe as boot socks work better in them..

I don't think the listed weights are correct as my size 8 mens are about 6 oz for the pair...

Buy them a size large if you want to wear thick socks in them as they are cut tight.

I don't know about the MANY other models... just these...
Some could be lighter, dunno...

Bill D.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Re: ZEMGEAR on 09/17/2013 22:11:56 MDT Print View

opps, I guess those are the 'ninja' round toes so forget what I said about not getting the 'ninja'... but do get the round toes if you want to wear regular boot socks inside...

bill D

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Another Option on 09/17/2013 23:32:53 MDT Print View

I dig on Vibram's EL-X shoes. 4.23oz.

Daniel Collins
(Diablo-V)

Locale: Orlando FL
Thanks, more questions on 09/18/2013 06:40:50 MDT Print View

Thanks Bill, and more questions for Steven M : While at Saucony site I saw some really minimalist looking water shoes, no weights listed, but they look very well designed from the photos. Any knowledge of these ?

I just got finished returning my size 9 Crocs because they were ridiculously wide and long for my feet. Traded them for size 8 which are still too wide. The crocs heel width looks to be made for a sasquatch or at least nothing human, way too wide.

Looking for water shoes or sandals I can wear socks with in camp.
I'm really liking the info so far in this post, thanks folks.

Edited by Diablo-V on 09/18/2013 06:41:29 MDT.