Continuation of "Religion in the Canyon/Foxhole" thread
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 David Olsen (oware) Locale: Steptoe Butte Flash floods and Circumcision on 09/13/2013 09:07:09 MDT The uncircumcised were the ones that drowned in the hydrological event in the Red Sea.
 Yuri R (Yazon) - F Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Ian on 09/13/2013 11:00:37 MDT I also disagree that getting technical on my math question..."can only get you one answer". I gave you two answers, both correct. One being five and one being three.As i said - getting technical will produce one result. You chose to do correct operation in first case and unnecessary operation in the second. Of course we can measure and use any reference system we want, but the system may not be fit to provide the right answer, even if it seems mathematically correct. So lets not measure this distance "в попугаях".(x1+x2)/2 will give you the exact answer for a midpoint of a line (we are speaking 2 dimensions here). Instead of using arbitrary points as a starting point of calculation (which still works if you use the right system), you can take the absolute length, which in our case is 9-1=8.I can only assume that you have performed the step above (9-1)=8 and then used log8 with base 2. Yes, you will get 3, but at this stage you are not solving for the actual distance, you are asking how many times 2 needs to be multiplied by itself to get 8. Just as well you could take a square root of 8, but it also won't produce the right answer because you are not performing the right operation to find the answer.
 Yuri R (Yazon) - F Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Ian on 09/13/2013 11:08:51 MDT "Some may not believe as you do, not because they aren't aware of or interested in science, but simply because __their own__ repeated experiences tell them that scientific understanding is really FAR from being complete. "Well, this is a problem, isn't it? I get hallucinations if i drive for 12 hours (takes a toll on me), or if my body temperature is really high. But because my experience is unique and unrepeatable, I can't claim that something i've experienced is universally true. That's the difference between belief and fact.
 Katharina .... (Kat_P) - MLife Locale: Pacific Coast Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Ian on 09/13/2013 11:54:40 MDT Yuri.You are assuming it is distance that we are talking about. If we go along with your assumption, then you are correct.Just because you perceive this as a linear problem, does not make it so. Edited by Kat_P on 09/13/2013 11:56:53 MDT.
 Yuri R (Yazon) - F Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Ian on 09/13/2013 15:12:16 MDT Initially I wanted you to describe how "finding a midpoint between 1-9" is not a linear problem given the information provided. It is common practice to indicate the system, reference point or scale to be used when asking such questions (it could have been time, distance in feet that needed to be expressed in inches, etc).Then i recalled your statement:"I also disagree that getting technical on my math question..."can only get you one answer". I gave you two answers, both correct. One being five and one being three."You just got technical and it resulted into a single answer depending on the specified parameters of the problem. Which resulted in a contradiction with your original statement.But then I realized that I'm discussing something that really has nothing to do with the reason why I chimed in here. So i'm out of this topic.Good luck all. Edited by Yazon on 09/13/2013 15:14:42 MDT.
 David Olsen (oware) Locale: Steptoe Butte Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Ian on 09/13/2013 15:35:39 MDT " But because my experience is unique and unrepeatable," Doesn't sound unrepeatable. Sounds like you can have the same thing happen if you go drive another 12 hours. Fever can produce hallucinations. If millions of people have experienced something for 1000's of years, that sounds pretty repeatable. If you refuse to try something, an experiment of faith for example, then you can not say it is not valid.
 Tom Kirchner (ouzel) - MLife Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Ian on 09/13/2013 16:31:19 MDT "It would be fascinating to witness the birth of a new religion in the face of contemporary scientific understanding."I suspect you will have to settle for the rebirth of that "Old Time Religion"as the curtain of the new Dark Age descends on the Age of Science. Those with an aptitude for religion are not known for their creativity."I'd love to know which gaps in today's science will be commonly tested and solved in basic high school classes 100 years from now."If science is even being taught 100 years from now.