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Jeremy B.
(requiem) - F - M

Locale: Northern California
Re: Re: "nothing will hit us, we will not die, we will not drown, in JESUS name" on 09/08/2013 22:52:54 MDT Print View

I was getting a kick out of all the D&D-inspired comments on the youtube thread:

"Who's the warlock in the group? I can hear spells being cast."
\-- "I think in this situation they should have summoned a creature with flying ability.."
\-- "To be fair they did summon a creature that walks on water."
"At least there was a Cleric in the raid."

But since someone mentioned foxholes:
"oh god nothing worse than a theist in a foxhole. everybody trying to think clearly of how to survive and one guy yelling "DEAR JESUS PUT A FORCEFIELD AROUND US I SUMMON YOU""

(everything in quotes property of their original poster)

Long live chaff!

Peter S
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Please on 09/09/2013 03:32:25 MDT Print View

Let's keep religion out of BPL

or at least move it to chaff ;-)

Edited by prse on 09/09/2013 03:35:44 MDT.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Move to Chan please on 09/09/2013 04:20:28 MDT Print View

Can the moderators move this to Chan please :).

Chris .
(cwb) - F

Locale: Los Angeles
ha on 09/09/2013 06:07:24 MDT Print View

Always good to be reminded that atheists are the worst sort of religious fanatics out there.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Please on 09/09/2013 06:14:47 MDT Print View

Chaff drive, engaged.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
chan on 09/09/2013 06:18:01 MDT Print View

"Move it to chan"...
That's pretty funny.

Edited by Kat_P on 09/09/2013 06:18:38 MDT.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: chan on 09/09/2013 08:21:39 MDT Print View

Whose van with the "Free Candy" sign is that I see in front of my house..... Ken?

Anywho... as long as no one mentions the "G" word, this thread will probably be ok.

Edit: violated one of my pet peeves

Edited by IDBLOOM on 09/09/2013 08:23:01 MDT.

Peter S
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
No problem on 09/09/2013 08:37:17 MDT Print View

No problem being called fanatic, as long as it's in chaff... :-)

Peter S
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Moderators on 09/09/2013 08:39:09 MDT Print View

Please move to chaff...

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Moderators on 09/09/2013 08:46:02 MDT Print View

Peter,

I've been on this forum for less than a year so I don't claim to know all things BPL. I'm not aware of one thread being moved since I've been here and I believe Roger mentioned a month or so ago (if I'm wrong I'll edit this) that isn't possible.

Because I haven't seen a train driven off a cliff this week, I'll start a continuation thread in Chaff.

Peter S
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Re: Re: Moderators on 09/09/2013 08:52:49 MDT Print View

Hi Ian, thanks. I'll stop hitting the report button...

Edited by prse on 09/09/2013 08:57:34 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: ha on 09/09/2013 09:45:36 MDT Print View

"Always good to be reminded that atheists are the worst sort of religious fanatics out there."

Reason is a troublesome SOB isn't it?

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Complaints on 09/09/2013 10:34:11 MDT Print View

Here's my complaint:

Must we sterilize our entire existence to the point where mere mention of a God/deity/religious figure/or anything else for that matter brings criticism?

I could see if the video was proselytizing and it was someone's agenda to push beliefs....but even then, who cares? Keep calm and carry on.

Good Lord. I'm just gonna sit my butt on the couch and stare at the wall until I expire. That way, I'll be sure to not offend anyone.

Oh wait, I said Lord. Ahhh! I said it again! I'm gonna go into my basement now and flog myself.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Slot Canyon on 09/09/2013 10:55:27 MDT Print View

Like Nick, I've been in a "100-year flood" (which seem to happen pretty darn often, but that one in 1978 did damage trails in the GCNP that took many years to repair, so maybe. . .) . And I've been in lots of slot canyon, some after incredible storm damage.

I'd never want to be in a slot canyon while a monsoon rain was happening anywhere upstream. A co-worker experienced that while gold mining in South America - why is the water a foot deeper? What is rumbling noise? and then scrambling up the ropes as a wall of water came down on them. The guys in this youtube were not in a terribly threatening situation. They got wet. They got muddy. I didn't hear any boulders tumbling down the canyon walls (I found that a particularly scary aspect of being in a canyon in a downpour). I didn't see rocks, logs, etc, getting washed downstream. I didn't see the canyon bottom filling up with 10 or 20 feet of water.

It looks like there are doing what cavers call a "pull-down" trip in which you pull down your ropes as you go. Some of the most harrowing stories in the annual summary of US caving accidents are on such trips. You're committed and if there's an injury, the cave has changed, or the weather changes, you're still committed to do the whole thing. Pull-down trips require more planning, more contingencies, a stronger group, and a more conservative response to weather forecasts. They just do.

My first thought during the video was, "Why are they telling guys to come DOWN and then happy they did?" I had other thoughts about "WTH is his hand ABOVE his figure-8/ATC?" because my hands are only ever BELOW my rappel device.

But back to the chaffy nature of this thread: When we were soaked through, with sticks and rocks in my hair, getting hailed on, we ducked under an overhang and were appreciative of the insulating properties of large German tourists who were towards the outside.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Complaints on 09/09/2013 10:57:44 MDT Print View

eric's subject "nothing will hit us, we will not die, we will not drown, in JESUS name" implies that eric is being critical of their religious belief?

at least that's how people interpreted, and that's what people are responding to

if the subject had been "people survive flash flood" there would have been no controversy

I'm not criticizing eric's choice of subject or the responses, just that all the responses were inevitible, sort of like if you release and apple, it's inevitible it will fall to the ground : )

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Complaints on 09/09/2013 11:06:14 MDT Print View

> if you release and apple, it's inevitible it will fall to the ground : )


Nuh uh, Jerry. What if you're in outer space? ;)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Complaints on 09/09/2013 11:07:39 MDT Print View

it will fall more slowly

Richard May
(richardmay)

Locale: Costa Rica
trolling or proselytizing on 09/09/2013 11:32:22 MDT Print View

I'm still on the fence about the title...

It could be proselytizing if the OP believes that calling on 'Jesus name' started a miracle and hopes the video will constitute proof of supernatural forces at play.

It could be trolling if he's sitting in his armchair right now laughing at the uproar he's caused.

... or maybe it's just a video of a group caught in a flash flood that survived. They prayed with classic pentecostal gusto as is probably the speakers custom. It's their right, especially given they had Death staring them in the face.

Me? Without further evidence, I'll go with option two (it's more fun than the others). It's just too easy to get people riled up with a simple idea. And it's fun watching people boil over something this insignificant.

Life and let live.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: trolling or proselytizing on 09/09/2013 11:38:54 MDT Print View

"
It could be proselytizing if the OP believes that calling on 'Jesus name' started a miracle and hopes the video will constitute proof of supernatural forces at play."


And what if he is proselytizing?
I have no problem with that. Most likely won't work on me....but I don't mind an atheist making their case so I don't mind a faithful one making their case either.
Attempting to ban/ censure religion is not better than calling for the marginalization of atheists.
It seems obvious to me.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
What a lot of hoopla over nothing. on 09/09/2013 11:50:18 MDT Print View

Having viewed the video, the religious aspect of it is a very short section of a 5 minute video about heavy rain/flash flood. Somehow some people have chosen to get all offended about it instead of focusing on the actual point. Perhaps that's because the OP chose to make religion his topic, instead of the flash flood. But the video itself appears to be rather innocuous to me. I can certainly say I would not have wanted to have been there. It would have been scary.