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Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 08:53:03 MDT Print View

Here's a tarp bivy combo that is a bit different.

The waterproof part of the bivy goes outside of the tarp and the netting top part of the bivy goes under the tarp.

here

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
weight on 09/07/2013 09:09:53 MDT Print View

but it weighs 1 lb 8 oz !

alex hansen
(holden425) - F
good concept on 09/07/2013 09:15:31 MDT Print View

Anyone have field experience with a similar setup?
It seems like if you had a groundsheet under your bivy water might collect and find its way under the tarp. But it seems like a good way to bring a quick and easy bivy for nice nights and a small tarp for those occasional bad weather times.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 09:28:08 MDT Print View

That's sort of like bivies with raised area over your face with hoop, for example:
http://www.rei.com/product/747832/outdoor-research-alpine-bivy

Except the raised area over your face has been expanded

The only thing I don't like, is that it wouldn't take much more fabric to have it completely cover the bivy. If there's water on the outside of bivy, it won't breath as good.

spelt !
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 10:07:14 MDT Print View

How much does the tarp weigh by itself, I wonder.

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Compromise on 09/07/2013 10:17:58 MDT Print View

This looks like a classic case of a compromise, marginal at everything, great at nothing. There is minimal bug protection, likely condensation from true waterproof lower end of the bivy and heavy by the standards of alternatives without these issue.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Re: Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 10:46:49 MDT Print View

Spelt,

If I recall correctly the Sierra Designs website lists the tarp at about 1 pound.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 10:51:56 MDT Print View

I saw them a while back and my impression was that it seems like a lot of trouble for the coverage. A poncho tarp and more conventional WPB bivy with bug screen would be more versatile, allowing lean-to and full-lenth a-frame pitching options, or no overhead shelter at all in good weather.

Note the similarity to many of the SMD designs, yet it doesn't provide full coverage. If I'm going to drive all those stakes and tweak a shelter into a taut pitch, I might as well get full coverage and be able to move as I please inside. For comparison, my Gatewood Cape is 11oz and far less expensive.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 10:53:41 MDT Print View

About 1 pound for tarp.

https://www.sierradesigns.com/p-565-asap-tarp.aspx

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
marketing on 09/07/2013 10:56:35 MDT Print View

marketing departments always have to come up with new "ideas" to differentiate em from the competition ...

no matter how little sense it makes

;)

Monty Montana
(TarasBulba) - MLife

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Unusual tarp/bivy combo on 09/07/2013 11:57:41 MDT Print View

I'll go with dale on this: MY Gatewood cape is much lighter (I thought mine weighed 10 oz, though), provides full coverage, and provides ample room for me to move around in. I don't need unusual, pragmatic is more like it!

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: marketing on 09/07/2013 11:58:45 MDT Print View

On the other hand, innovation is trying out different ideas. Sometimes it doesn't work out so good. Sometimes it will stimulate some other idea.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
destined to fail on 09/07/2013 12:47:06 MDT Print View

This is definitely NOT a good idea for some of teh reasons listed above and others which will make themselves apparent when it is used.

They ran the idea up a flagpole but I doubt if many will salute it.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
Re: Re: marketing on 09/07/2013 13:51:18 MDT Print View

On the other hand, innovation is trying out different ideas. Sometimes it doesn't work out so good. Sometimes it will stimulate some other idea.


but those fancy "outdoor" companies always try to sell it at $$$$ prices ...

real innovation comes from actual use, not marketing departments ... thats where feature creep comes in

;)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: marketing on 09/07/2013 14:17:22 MDT Print View

"real innovation comes from actual use, not marketing departments ... "

+1