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load hauler backpack properties
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Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Nick (let me clarify) on 09/08/2013 18:34:01 MDT Print View

My McHale LBP 36 with everything to include the by-pass harness, P&G Extensions, and even the bear canister straps under the lid weighs 4 lbs,9.5 ounces. This is at 79 liters capacity.

For most trips it is under 4 lbs. If I removed all the straps and extra webbing I could probably get it down to under 3 lbs. I have gotten it down to 3 lbs, 6 oz on a couple trips. Since I bought the smaller McHale Bump for these kinds of trips, there is no need to try and trim down the LBP.

Kevin Schneringer
(Slammer) - MLife

Locale: Oklahoma Flat Lands
Exped Lightning on 09/08/2013 18:43:12 MDT Print View

The Exped 45 is IMHO is around 2 liters larger than advertised. However it is tight with my winter kit and would be to small for sure with a bear vault.
The 60 is probably best if your kit is bulky or you carry any luxury items.

As far as the frame touching my back I have not had any issues. This pack basically cured my ills with packs.
I have a weak shoulder and am thin so I need hip transfer. This pack solves that and is extremely comfy.
I have carried 36 lbs with no trouble and think 40 is very doable.
You can bend the main stay and it's very flexible but seem to hold its shape very well.

Some have said the compression straps are not very well designed but they work well for me.

Rick Adams
(rickadams100) - M
packs on 09/08/2013 20:47:46 MDT Print View

No worry about highjack, thread is community property. Aether has aluminum hoop with plastic stay and framesheet. The determinant factor between the 3 is hipbelt design. External has a full wrap that didn't slip. Dana has smaller lumbar pad vs aether, also softer foam. It slipped less vs aether. Aether lumbar is the widest and firmest. Didn't grip well.

I had no idea that LBP36 could be 79l.i was thinking s-sarc for my next pack.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: packs on 09/08/2013 21:21:23 MDT Print View


That is with the roll top fully extended, but I figure that is what it is for. -- I have never need that much volume.

Ross L
(Ross) - MLife

Locale: Beautiful BC
Re: load hauler backpack properties on 09/08/2013 21:37:32 MDT Print View

The Stone Glacier Solo and Terminus would also be worth considering. I have been researching light load haulers too, and the SG is currently at the top of my wish list.

Jani Kikuts
(Enginerd) - M

Locale: Southern California
exped on 09/08/2013 22:42:04 MDT Print View

Just got back from 6 day trip, 31 pounds at trail head. Loved, loved, loved the lightning 60. The pack does such a good job transferring load to the hips I just wanted relied on shoulder belts to stabilize the whole way. I too was worried about the center stay bothering my spine but after gently curving it to my body shape it was no issue at all, highly recommend.

Edited by Enginerd on 09/08/2013 22:43:08 MDT.

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: packs on 09/08/2013 23:07:34 MDT Print View

Rick, my LBP 38 with the PG and 24.5" stays is not even close to 79 litres. It is a genuine 60L ish pack.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: packs on 09/09/2013 09:42:52 MDT Print View

David is correct. That volume includes the optional attachments. Been awhile since I measured it.

If interested, there more here:

Hope you figure out what you need.

I'm leaving on a trip today and won't be back until the end of the month, just in case anyone has any questions about the link above.

Nathan Coleman
Paradox Packs Sale on 09/09/2013 11:05:59 MDT Print View

Our 4800 rolltop in stone gray with a black base talon is on sale right now.

Paradox Evo / 4800 / Base Talon

This package is normally $508.

Use coupon code Paradox20 at checkout and the price drops to $406.40. That is a savings of $101.60.

Sale ends September 12th, and we are guaranteeing the pack ships by October 12th.

I thought this was pertinent information to this thread. Someone wanted a light load hauler under $400, well this gets very close.

I have personally had a lot of experience with "heavy load capable" backpacks. I have owned nine different models of Kifaru packs over the years, had a Canadian made Arc'teryx Bora, a Bozeman made Dana Stillwater with the arcflex frame, and I've had six different external frame packs. In my experience with 25 or so load hauling packs I was disappointed in performance and weight. That is why we designed the Paradox Evolution. IMO it blends the best features of external frame and internal frame packs, and it is hands down the most comfortable load hauler on the market. Admittedly I am a bit biased....

Edited by RockChucker30 on 09/09/2013 11:07:24 MDT.