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Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
legalize it on 08/30/2013 20:49:35 MDT Print View

Get a grip on the anarchy thing.
We lost many battles but we are going to win the war against the war. Victory is ours if CO and Washington don't screw up.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: legalize it on 08/30/2013 20:51:28 MDT Print View

If the Boomers died off without legalization their whole generation was a waste.

David Noll
(dpnoll) - MLife

Locale: Maroon Bells
legalize it on 08/31/2013 05:47:29 MDT Print View

Ken,
A lot of boomers didn't use it nor do we want to see it legalized.

Dave (class of 48)

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 06:53:50 MDT Print View

Same group that said don't trust anyone over 60.

Booze and smokes are OK though?

The time has come whether you(personally)like it or not. Been such a waste of money, effort and lives for something less damaging than alcohol or tobacco.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 08:16:13 MDT Print View

Most of the harm is because it's illegal, like giving money to criminal gangs

If it was legal you could better manage any harm because of the drug itself, like restrict sale to minors, reduce DUII.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 09:27:47 MDT Print View

Is "it" marijuana only or is meth part of this conversation as well?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 09:30:12 MDT Print View

Just Mary Jane. Because of what the feds just said.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 10:17:17 MDT Print View

I think we should see how legalizing marijuana goes

If that works out then consider other drugs

Again, there is more harm because of their illegality than the drug itself, and if you sold drugs from government (statist) stores, you could better treat the users.

Like meth users break into cars and houses to steal stuff to trade for drug. If you just gave it to them, they would stop stealing.

And you could give them drugs in trade for having to talk to social workers who would help them to quit using, maybe help them to eat better,...

Besides, I believe Walt is looking for a new gig and could produce lots of good meth : )

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 10:28:05 MDT Print View

and tax it.

Here in Humboldt we have 1 billion in wages, but 2 billion in sales. Lots of cash floating around un taxed. That money could help prevent anarchy. Or promote it. whatever.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 10:30:04 MDT Print View

Too bad Obama is not as bold on this issue as he is intent on bombing Syria.
Just like DOMA, tip toeing around, hemming and hawing, rethinking, blah blah.
You remember how Joe Biden put him on the spot on gay marriage? I wish Biden would make another one of his comments.

The only thing that would change if MJ was legal is the tax coffers would fill up as well as less money spent on the criminal justice system. Maybe it would reduce the number of illegal growers in the back country.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: legalize it on 08/31/2013 10:43:09 MDT Print View

"Too bad Obama is not as bold on this issue..."

politics is complicated and inexact. maybe there'de be more backlash

at least he said that he inhaled, and they just came out and said they wouldn't get in the way of legalization. There is a law against it which Obama has no control over.

at least he eventually said he favored gay marriage

at least he ended Iraq war and well on the way in Afganistan

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Do what the Dutch do. on 08/31/2013 10:55:16 MDT Print View

And tax the hell out of it, everyone's happy.

Edited by stephenm on 08/31/2013 10:56:20 MDT.

Ike Jutkowitz
(Ike) - M

Locale: Central Michigan
Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 11:52:56 MDT Print View

Medical marijuana has been legal in Michigan for a number of years now. We did a preliminary study looking at marijuana intoxication in dogs and found an 800% increase in ER admits since the time of legalization. I've got to believe that pediatric ERs will probably be seeing something similar. Not a fan. But then again, not a user either.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 12:24:09 MDT Print View

Are the only benefits tax dollars and less people in jail? What are the consequences if usage goes up 20% once legal? Just throwing a number out there, not sure what actual figures would be. Increased insurance costs? To say "Well, it's not as bad as alcohol or tobacco." Havent those two substances killed millions of people? Not sure if that should be our benchmark here.

Ryan

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 12:45:02 MDT Print View

Tobacco and alcohol are both physically addictive, yet legal. Ever heard of pot withdrawal? I don't think anyone has any real idea of how many people do smoke, or how much they smoke.

I live and work in Pot County USA The biggest problems here is meth and alcohol. The pot growers for the most part seem to be organizing themselves so to protect the brand of Humboldt weed. The bigger ones, not the house growers burning down their rentals with shoddy wiring and what not.

What if usage goes down once legal as it might be considered passé?

I've been too hungover to go to work.
Stoned, wake up hungry and ready to go.
Cigarettes stink up everything.

I had an alcoholic, smoking step father. Both killed him.
Know people who have smoked pot for 40+ years. Healthy and still working. Productive humans that pay taxes and contribute to society. Most pot smokers you'll never know they do. Not the stereotype that the media want to push. Sure they are out there. A small group.

I'm pro salmon. And I vote.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 13:01:45 MDT Print View

"We did a preliminary study looking at marijuana intoxication in dogs and found an 800% increase in ER admits since the time of legalization."

Weird

People take stoned dogs to the ER in Michigan?

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Re: Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 13:33:52 MDT Print View

What happens to the people already incarcerated, is what I want to know.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 13:36:01 MDT Print View

Those incarcerated for possession only should be released. Seems fair. Grandfathering can work both ways. Sometimes losers lose.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 13:38:31 MDT Print View

Do they really put people in jail just for using marijuana? Incredible!

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: legalization on 08/31/2013 14:15:10 MDT Print View

Sure, legalize it and pretty soon people are going to want to marry their dog! It's against nature, I tell you!

What? Oh, pot. Never mind.....