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David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
2014 Bob Marshall Wilderness Open: Marias Pass to Monture Creek on 08/27/2013 17:34:48 MDT Print View

The mass start date will be May 31st, 2014, at 0800 MST. Start location will be the rest area at Marias Pass on Highway 2. Finish is the Monture Creek TH north of Ovando.

The executive summary would note that this combines the potential snow hazards of 2012 with the water hazards of 2013, and is significantly longer than either.

Discuss.

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
2014 Bob Marshall Wilderness Open on 08/29/2013 08:10:10 MDT Print View

Almost dead North to South - but as those familiar with the Bob know - the ranges that run it's length are all at a slight NW to SE angle. So with an 85 miles direct path from Point A to Point B participants will have to contend with a handful of divides.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
BMWO 2014 on 08/30/2013 09:48:27 MDT Print View

Wow great course. Nice to see the longer distance. Looks tough.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
BMWO 2014 on 09/04/2013 17:16:41 MDT Print View

Sounds tough, challenging, fun. Whatever this winter brings us will no doubt set the mood. I better get myself into shape.

Greg Gedney
(ggedney)

Locale: Rocky Mountain Region
BMWO 2014 on 09/14/2013 21:40:02 MDT Print View

Intresting course for 2014. North to south should pose a challenge as it limits rafting possibilities to only a relative few sections of river given the over all distance to cover. Might have to consider leaving the boat at home this time around. Looks like quite a few passes to traverse as well. This one will be tough on the feet but nevertheless looking forward to it.

John St. Laurent
(johnstl) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
BWMO 2014 on 10/25/2013 13:06:25 MDT Print View

OK, I'm in. Again.

2014 was supposed to be my inaugural packraft bid, but it looks like this will be a route for pedestrians, which is fine by me.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
BMWO on 10/26/2013 19:04:39 MDT Print View

Have you scooped up a packraft John? There's not major opportunities to save time with a raft on this route, but rafting a few short bits could add a neat dimension to the trip. White River is a sublime stretch.

Edited by dandydan on 10/26/2013 19:05:13 MDT.

John St. Laurent
(johnstl) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
BMWO 2014 on 10/27/2013 13:46:59 MDT Print View

Not yet. Either this year or next. If this year, I'll almost certainly procure during the sale next month.

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Anticipation. on 10/27/2013 15:03:16 MDT Print View

The nervous excitement begins. Should be a lot easier pre planning than last year since I know a bit more what to expect. I will take a bit more time than last year to take advantage of being in such a cool area.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
BMWO rafting on 11/02/2013 15:14:17 MDT Print View

Assuming normalish water levels, there's at least one good rafting route.

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
2014 Bob Marshall Wilderness Open: Marias Pass to Monture Creek on 11/13/2013 16:09:54 MST Print View

Call me an armchair commenter because I've been following the race since it's inception but have not participated up to this point. Whatever, take it or leave it.

My research is showing a route that is between 104 and and 113 miles with roughly 19 of those miles possible as a downhill water route. What's everyone else's research looking like?

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: 2014 Bob Marshall Wilderness Open: Marias Pass to Monture Creek on 11/13/2013 16:21:43 MST Print View

For those of us who don't raft, the route I came up with is about 125 miles, with (at least) five potentially serious crossings. I'd like to participate again, but I haven't decided yet whether I'm comfortable with the route, given the challenge involved last year which had flows well below average. We'll see.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
re: BMWO routes on 11/14/2013 10:51:14 MST Print View

I rarely count miles with much precision. The route I aluded to above has between 20 and 30 miles of floating, depending on water levels and wood tolerance. As a further hint, hiking the same route has between 1 and 3 potentially gnar creek crossings (and two uses of stock bridges, which is sorta cheating).

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
2014 Bob Marshall Wilderness Open: Marias Pass to Monture Creek on 11/14/2013 11:10:13 MST Print View

Now let's not let this become another bolting or style debate like in the climbing world, please.

Any form of human-powered locomotion is allowed within the identified course area. No linear travel on the surface of paved roads.

John St. Laurent
(johnstl) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
Shameless Bridge Use on 11/14/2013 12:06:43 MST Print View

I paid good tax money for those stock bridges!

There will no doubt be plenty of other opportunities for me to get wet, aside from any bridged crossings.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
bridges on 11/14/2013 15:22:21 MST Print View

Don't tempt me into changing the rules ;)

In all seriousness, it's interesting to think about just how much a bridge in a certain spot (Headquarters Creek) will change route planning. It's one of the things that makes this different than the Wilderness Classic.

Steofan The Apostate
(simaulius) - F

Locale: Bohemian Alps
BMWO Route Planning on 11/17/2013 18:38:33 MST Print View

I'll use a stock bridge but promise NOT to go out of my get to it. How's that? I'm also trying stay off pack trails to avoid the usual mudbaths that I have walked elsewhere but this might be tough since Monture Creek and the Flathead are main routes... correct?
I lost count on stream crossings but am planning on 3 passes: Hahn Creek Pass, Pot Lake/ Pot Mountain, Big Lodge Mountain. I am using and fully appreciating the attention to detail on the Cairn Cartographic maps!!
Steven M.

John St. Laurent
(johnstl) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
A Similar Race Philosphy on 11/22/2013 17:49:30 MST Print View

This seems to reflect our event philosophy. Sort of...

Hitler Rants About Today's Ultrarunners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbjxJVfOsvA&feature=youtube_gdata

rOg w
(rOg_w) - F - M

Locale: rogwilmers.wordpress
deleted on 11/22/2013 19:26:35 MST Print View

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Edited by rOg_w on 12/12/2013 08:28:28 MST.

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Re: BMWO Route Planning on 11/24/2013 09:44:13 MST Print View

Steofan,
last year on the Open I took much of your proposed route from near Larch Hill Pass through Shaffer. I did not take Trail 90 or 243 north or the intersection because they were closed due to fire. (I would check the status of those trails if your plan depends on them.) instead I dropped cross country down to Trail 83 via the Hoop Creek drainage. Pentagon Pass, which you referred to as Pot Lake or Pot Mountain is a classic Sierra style pass. there was a boatload of snow on both sides of that pass but very doable. Once out of the snow it was a cruise down to Shaffer. The river crossing at Shaffer will be one to watch. I didn't have much trouble with it last year, much to my surprise but it is a real river crossing and should be monitored.

Cyrus Dietz
(Cyrus) - M

Locale: Midwest
Water crossings on 12/10/2013 12:21:37 MST Print View

I am trying to put together a tentative gear list and considering a boat for crossings. I was wondering if the Scout was big enough to carry (1) person with (2) peoples gear and then on second trip(2) people across a river section? Dave, what are your thoughts? My other thought was to bring Kate's Apaca stripped down (no seat, backrest, or deck)for that purpose.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
tandem scout crossings on 12/10/2013 14:42:51 MST Print View

Cyrus, that would be theoretically possible, but the Scout would be front heavy, and finding room to paddle would be tough. I'd only want to do the gentlest crossings that way.

Meredith and I have done tandem crossings in my Yak a number of times, and that works well. 12" tubes are good here. Two trips are still required if both people have full packs, and care is required in moving water.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
2014 Bob Open on 02/03/2014 11:36:35 MST Print View

Bump for February.

Our snowpack is in fine shape at the moment, at or above average for everywhere in the Bob complex. As usual, what that means for early June will depend on when and how fast melting gets going in April.

Depending on who shows up, I'm expecting on route times of 3-7 days. For folks traveling from well out of town who'd like to make even more of an adventure of it, there are a couple of intiguing options to add a prologue of sorts in Glacier NP. I'd be willing to help with that, including route planning and bringing a resupply of food to Marias on Saturday.

I'd encourage anyone who can make it to plan on a dinner and gab session Friday night at the Snowslip Inn, a fine bar and restaurant well beyond all cell service about 15 miles WEST of Marias Pass.

Edited by DaveC on 02/12/2014 10:06:34 MST.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Re: 2014 Bob Open on 02/03/2014 14:26:25 MST Print View

Thanks for the update, Dave. I'm out for this year. Had to choose between this or spring run and I've hardly been able to train for that. Maybe next year I'll get to join you guys. Will be watching from afar until then!

M G
(drown) - F - MLife

Locale: Shenandoah
Bob Open partners on 02/03/2014 14:49:19 MST Print View

I'd be interested in partnering with someone for a pedestrian (no raft) route.

Nicholas Viglione
(nicholas.viglione@gmail.com) - MLife
Re: Bob Open partners on 02/12/2014 09:35:12 MST Print View

MG - I would definitely be interested in a pedestrian route - don't get much opportunity where I am in NY for rafting so my whitewater skills are more than a little out of date... (I think I managed to eskimo roll my old Dagger exactly twice when I was 13...).

Feel free to shoot me an email at nicholas.viglione@gmail.com if you want to chat more!

Steofan The Apostate
(simaulius) - F

Locale: Bohemian Alps
Thanks Malto! on 02/12/2014 11:07:36 MST Print View

I had a couple of x-country jaunts as back-ups, better look closer at these. Planning on 7days max right now, could drop if the bushwhacking works in my favor. I knew that I would need to check on burn areas, better just do it now.

No t-shirt at the finish? Not allowed to stop to poop? We will have rocks and curses thrown at us? Sounds like both of my day-jobs... nothing new there. Thank-you John, I just love a motivational Hitler rant first thing in the morning.

Steven

Cyrus Dietz
(Cyrus) - M

Locale: Midwest
Route time on 03/04/2014 10:23:18 MST Print View

I need to be back in Minneapolis by Friday afternoon June 6th for my daughters graduation ceremony. So a 5 day route time is needed…planned for (Wednesday night could end up being an all-night affair). As for pack rafting, my observations of the North Fork of the Sun were that is was very floatable south of Lick Creek, but north of there it was full of wood. My big fear right now is too many miles walking in deep snow, that would really slow me down.

Edited by Cyrus on 03/04/2014 10:24:10 MST.

John St. Laurent
(johnstl) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
Route Time on 03/04/2014 14:42:40 MST Print View

Cyrus, what sort of times were you splitting last year? I don't think I ever saw a write-up.

The distance between Hwy 2 and Benchmark took me four days on foot last year. I'm considering trying for three days this year, since the big creek crossings can be avoided and my thinking has been corrupted by heretical ideas from ultra-running friends. I think the finish is 20 more miles from there, over the Divide. I think you can pull off five days, especially if you float some of it.

All the passes on that final day are 7,000'+ though. The fingers of my left hand still have ghost-numbness from our last escapade together in that sort of terrain :)

Edited by johnstl on 03/04/2014 14:43:12 MST.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
Re: Route Time on 03/04/2014 15:11:17 MST Print View

I'm planning on a sub-60 hour finish, which will take a lot (lot) more effort than 52 hours did last year.

John is correct to be concerned about the final passage into the Monture drainage. The possibilities for snow slogging and route finding problems on the obvious routes are immense. The shortest route is almost certainly not the shortest route. Hint. ;)

Cyrus Dietz
(Cyrus) - M

Locale: Midwest
timing on 03/04/2014 15:18:18 MST Print View

John, We were averaging 20 plus mile days, but we never broke camp before 8 or 9 am. We had a couple of nights where we ended up camped next to a couple raging creeks, waiting till morning to figure out how to get across them. That cost us a few hours each time.
Creek fording was all new to Kate and it took her some time to get comfortable with that. Packrafting the Sun was the highlight of the trip for me.

Did you get a packraft John? Kate and I are planning to head out to the Bob before Memorial Day to do some packrafting the week before the event. You are welcome to join us.

John St. Laurent
(johnstl) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
Route Time on 03/04/2014 16:29:37 MST Print View

Five days might be a cutting it close then, although you might be able arrange a bail option at Benchmark if you come up short on time.

I didn't end up doing the packraft purchase this year. Mainly because I don't know anyone who could join me for local outings, which makes for a bad cost-per-use ratio, at least if buying new. However, I did see the posting for the packrafting festival in Montana in July and am toying with the idea of checking it out, which would make for a better informed decision in the future.

There's Dave with his cryptic warnings again. It must be the beard. When I had a beard I felt mysterious and sage-like too :)

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
Re: Route Time on 03/05/2014 07:43:44 MST Print View

The July Roundup should be a good time. Jackson Hole Packrafts is giving discounted rentals for it.

As always, on the day before the start I'll tell anyone who shows up exactly where I'm going and why.

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: 2014 Bob Marshall Wilderness Open: Marias Pass to Monture Creek on 03/05/2014 07:59:17 MST Print View

I got an opportunity to go to Europe for work for three weeks at the same time that I just couldn't pass up, so I'm not gonna make it this year. I came up with what I think is a pretty good route; I'm curious to see if anyone ends up going the way I was planning. I hope everybody has a good time and I look forward to the trip reports.

Edited by andrew.f on 03/05/2014 08:00:05 MST.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
BMWO on 03/05/2014 09:32:57 MST Print View

"I'm planning on a sub-60 hour finish, which will take a lot (lot) more effort than 52 hours did last year."
Wow. It gets me stoked just thinking about pulling sub 60 hrs off. I'd love to tag along some year.

As some of you know, I'm going to be on the PCT this summer so I can't make the BMWO, but I sure intend to be at events like this in the 2015. Such a great experience.

Edited by dandydan on 03/05/2014 09:33:49 MST.