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Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 08/27/2013 10:48:01 MDT Print View

The Fire Pot starts out as the mug you see on the left. On the right is the finished kit inside a Tyvek stuff sack. Total weight of kit is 220 grams/7.6 ounces



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I begin the modification of the mug by cutting off the handle and adding a modified Light My fire Grandpas Fire fork as the new handle. I also add a heavy duty ridgeline to the side of the pot at the 2 cup level as a place for the pot to be supported by the titanium cone when using the Modified StarLyte Burner when alcohol is used as fuel.



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This is what the pot looks like when resting inside the cone in the alcohol or Esbit burn mode:



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This is what it looks like when the cone is in the wood /twig burn mode with stainless steel cross pot support centered by means of half notches Notches secure the support in all directions.



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A stainless steel fire grate is resting on 2 twigs that will allow central air flow to the vertical stack of twigs. The stack will be top lit. One load of twigs will boil 2 cups of water easily. The stainless steel rings is hand held for use in stacking a load of twigs prior to placing it on the fire grate.



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Three different types of fuel can be used, wood, alcohol and solid fuel Esbit tablets.



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A stainless steel ground protection sheet is provided when burning wood;



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Tyvek sleeves are provided for storage of the grate, pot support and cone:



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These are all the items contained in the kit:

Everything you see there packs neatly inside the pot.



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1 – Stainless steel pot , 3-1/2 cup capacity with lid and Fire Fork handle that can be used to roast hot dogs/marshmallows , fish etc. Weight = 3.8 oz/108 grams



1 – Titanium windscreen/pot support. Weight = 0.8 oz/24 grams



1 – Stainless steel ground protection sheet. Weight 0.5 oz./15 grams



1 Stainless steel cross shaped pot support w/cover for the wood burning mode. Weight 0.7 oz/21 grams



1 Stainless steel grate w/cover. Weight 0.2 oz/7 grams



1 Stainless steel twig stacking ring. Weight 0.2 oz/8 grams



1 Modified StarLyte Burner w/lid. Weight 0.5 oz/16 grams



1 – Round tray for burning Esbit. Weight 0.1 oz/5 grams



2 -Tyvek stuff sacks (one for entire kit and one for the Ti cone windscreen/pot support)



Total weight of kit = 7.6 ounces/220 grams

A video I made a few weeks ago


Cost of kit shipped to CONUS only = $79.95 = $4.95 S&H

Sale is offered to viewers of backpackinglight.com only.


I have only 6 kits available.

Edited by zelph on 09/07/2013 07:42:08 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 08/27/2013 11:55:39 MDT Print View

I have 5 kits left.

I can ship to European countries if you send me a PM with your location so I can get actual cost for your area. I will then send a paypal invoice to you.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Why call it Fire Pot? on 08/27/2013 22:26:37 MDT Print View

I like wood as my go to fuel :-)

Fire Pot got it’s name because?

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Why call it Fire Pot? on 08/28/2013 17:17:13 MDT Print View

I have 4 kits remaining.

Reminder: The Titanium Windscreen/Pot Support is made by TD.

For you folks out there that like wood as your fuel this is a super deal.

Lightest stainless steel 3 cup capacity pot on the planet :-)

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
3 kits remaining on 08/29/2013 20:08:37 MDT Print View

I have 3 remaining.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Fire Pot Kit on 08/29/2013 20:54:54 MDT Print View

Awesome kit. Unlike most multi fuel setups, it's actually darn good at every fuel. It's a dream to use for alcohol and wood.

Edited by dandydan on 08/29/2013 20:55:24 MDT.

Roger Munsey
(8100LT) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
great set up! on 09/03/2013 19:54:42 MDT Print View

Dan,

Just received my kit today and I am impressed!
Really like the removable handle that can be used
with a stick for fire pit use. It’s going with me on the
next outing!

THANKS!
Roger

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: great set up! on 09/05/2013 12:53:18 MDT Print View

Roger, I'll try to get a video up showing how I use the Fire Fork handle to cook hot dogs. You need to slit the ends of the dogs so the pressure will exit the ends and not split the skin where the fork enters.

I'll also send you an email with a link to a photo album that shows how to stack and light twigs. There are videos also that show some "tricks" on successful wood burning.

Dan Durston, I sent your Titanium kit out today.

I have 2 kits remaining.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 09/05/2013 15:22:10 MDT Print View

Dan...
Have you conducted tests to determine the boiling time for 2 cups of 70*F water using your StarLyte Original and Modified stoves using S-L-X, HEET, Sunnyside 834
or Everclear 190?

Do you have that data available?

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 09/05/2013 19:34:36 MDT Print View

Ken, have not conducted those tests but will do them tomorrow. I have Sunnyside, HEET and Everclear. I'll strive to do 3 tests for each fuel. It will take most of the day and hope to have the results posted by the end of the day. I'll use the Fire Pot and the titanium cone windscreen.

I have only one kit left.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 09/05/2013 19:46:04 MDT Print View

I don't like to cook with wood, but that sure is a nice looking system.

James DeGraaf
(jdegraaf) - MLife

Locale: Bay Area
one kit left... on 09/07/2013 00:55:27 MDT Print View

well, i held out for so long. then I placed an order. I hope that last kit is mine!
Thanks,
James

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
All Gone on 09/07/2013 07:38:35 MDT Print View

All kits have been sold. Thank you to all that have purchased.

It was a fun project. Trail Designs did a fine job as usual on the construction of the Ti cone. They are not in agreement to make a cone for the stainless steel pot as part of their offerings on their site.

James got the last one.

I won't be offering this kit again.

I have in the works a titanium windscreen that incorporates a principle of focusing the flame pattern under the pot in a whirlwind fashion. You may have seen the aluminum version on my blog/website. There is always a better way to accomplish 2 cups of boiling water LOL.

Sorry, I was not able to complete the boil tests. I'll continue them today.

Edited by zelph on 09/07/2013 07:45:09 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Partial Boil Tests on 09/08/2013 16:58:22 MDT Print View

Here are the results using 1/2 ounce Sunnyside Denatured Alcohol per test. Fuel measured out with 1 ounce graduated medicine cup.

2 cups of water in the Fire Pot. Starting temperature of water 70 degrees. Calm conditions in my garage.

All surfaces were allowed to cool before starting next test.

Modified StarLyteBurner

1 – Boil 9:30-------------Flame out 12:00 min.

2 – Boil 9:30-------------Flame out 11:42 min.

3 – Boil 9:30--------------Flame out 10:40 min.


StarLyte burner regular

1 Boil 7:47--------------Flame out 9:30 min.

2 Boil 7:30-------------Flame out 9:38 min.

3.-Boil 7:17--------------Flame out 9:19 min.


The video shows how I was able to see when the flame went out. Click on the photo below to view video:




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Edited by zelph on 09/08/2013 17:01:57 MDT.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 09/09/2013 01:31:34 MDT Print View

Thanks for all the work you have put into this project. I believe you have engineered a winner!

Here is a sampling of my data that might add food for thought for what it is worth......

NOTE: Cookie Sheet 2x thickness for Base that the stoves and Sidewinder Caldera Cone rested upon that would influence data comparison.

Stove Test Data

Edited by KENLARSON on 09/09/2013 05:56:35 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen Kit on 09/09/2013 18:25:06 MDT Print View

Thank you Ken!
I like doing comparison testing when I can. I appreciate your input and time to do some testing and posting of your results. Your numbers are very much food for thought. Makes me want to ask.....why does the StarLyte give better results compared to the 12-10 that was engineered to function in an enclosed environment? Sometimes I think the original cone was better because it was made without the cut-out for pot/mug handles. I have not done any real research on the original but seems to stick in the back of my mind that was the case?????

I think if we did testing on the ground/earth results would be better due to radiant heat causing premature expenditure of fuel especially for the 12-10. The absorbing material inside the StarLytes hold back that expenditure. The glass that I used for a table top did get very warm during the testing and had to wipe it down with cold water to prepare for the next test.

The weather here in Illinois was too hot to do further testing today. My wife has banned me from doing tests in the house. Once in a while I sneak a few tests in when she's not home ;-)

One of the interesting things to come about with this kit design is the pot's ability to absorb heat with only half the pot being supported by the cone. This allows for a shorter cone and to be easily stored inside the pot. The ridgeline being at the 2 cup capacity mark works out really nice. In a previous video I bring attention to the fact that the upper portion of the pot is being subjected to heat coming off the holes in the cone and that there is no heat loss via the exposed portion of the pot. It's interesting that no one had made any comments of agreement or disagreement to that fact.

Ken, what brand name fuel did you use?

Note: total burn time of the 12-10 versus StarLyte was 1 minute less. It's burning much hotter for what it's worth to others that might be interested in statistics.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Fire Pot and Titanium Windscreen K on 09/10/2013 07:28:25 MDT Print View

To answer you alcohol question:

alcohol

Here are some more test data that might prove interesting to you:

Test Data

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Roar of the Whitebox on 09/10/2013 14:30:16 MDT Print View

I bet you were a little apprehensive when the Whitebox started to "roar" Reminds me of a SuperCat in action. 1/2 ounce of fuel consumed in 4 min and 2 cups of water boiled LOL The SuperCat was my inspiration for making one piece stoves.

The StarLyte is proving itself a winner.

The outdoor temperatures here in the Midwest has prevented any further testing for me:( Thanks for your data Ken.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Starlyte on 09/10/2013 19:23:06 MDT Print View

Ken, were your 12-10 tests without the stakes like the Starlyte tests? Your post indicates this, but perhaps you actually used the 12-10 in the original manner in which it was intended (with the stakes)?

Regardless, I get similar results. With the original Starlyte I get similar boil times as the 12-10, slightly longer total burn and all the advantages that come with the Starlyte (no stakes, store fuel inside, spillproof, lights easy in winter).

Thanks for sending that kit Dan! It's gonna be great.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Everclear Testing with Regular StarLyte on 09/10/2013 19:43:18 MDT Print View

I was able to sneak in 3 tests this evening while my wife was out and about LOL. In the kitchen, calm conditions, 70 degree starting water temperatures and I used 1/2 ounce of Everclear 190 proof alcohol. 2 cups of water in the Stainless steel "Fire Pot" I used the Regular StarLyte Burner.

1. Boil 7:45 and Flame Out at 10:00 min.

2. Boil 7:35 and Flame out at 10:37 min.

3. Boil 7:40 and Flame out at 10:41 min.

Dan, let me know when it arrives and I'll send a link to some videos and photos on the how to's of vertical stacking and top lighting. The use of phone book paper is also included as my first choice of tinder. It actually is a multi-purpose item.

Rafi Harzahav
(rhz10) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
soot on 09/10/2013 20:50:49 MDT Print View

Dan

Did you find that the Everclear produced more soot at the bottom of the pot compared to the other fuels?

Thanks

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: soot on 09/11/2013 05:47:55 MDT Print View

I didn't pay attention to the bottom of my pot while using Everclear but did notice that the Sunnyside denatured alcohol produced it's usual discoloration which I describe as a "varnish" type deposit. It is very thin and hard, not sooty. When I do 3 more tests(modified burner) with Everclear I will start off with a clean pot bottom and watch for the deposit if any to accumulate.

This is a photobucket video I made this morning to show you what the bottom of the pot looks like after doing 6 test with denatured and 3 with Everclear.

Click on the photo to activate the video

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Brittany W
(quasarr) - F

Locale: Southeast
Great job! on 09/11/2013 18:02:54 MDT Print View

WOW! I love this kit, zelph! Too bad I missed it. I've been looking for a nice, compact kit that has a handle or pot grippers.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Great job! on 09/11/2013 19:47:39 MDT Print View

Hi Brittany, I can put together a kit minus the titanium windscreen for you. Let me know.

Brittany W
(quasarr) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Great job! on 09/12/2013 09:40:03 MDT Print View

How much would that cost? Any chance Caldera would make a cone for this pot? I also don't need the wood/esbit options.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of MYOG capability right now, as I'm moving to a pretty small apartment.

Edited by quasarr on 09/12/2013 09:41:47 MDT.

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Cone cost on 09/12/2013 09:50:00 MDT Print View

If you won't be wood burning, you can get by with the aluminium cone. Trail Designs doesn't list the Fire Pot as an option so you might have to order a custom cone, which adds $15 to the cost, bringing it to $49.95. However, since they have already got a design for this pot and you don't need the stove or a caddy, you may be able to get them to reduce the price a little.
According to the website, they're away on vacation at the moment, but they're normally very good about responding to emails IME. I suggest you write to them and ask.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Person to check this out with at Trail Designs on 09/12/2013 10:11:27 MDT Print View

Brittany, Rand Lindsly... is the person that will give you the straight "scoop" on your inquiry.

Has returned from his recent adventure.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Person to check this out with at Trail Designs on 09/12/2013 10:54:56 MDT Print View

Rand will certainly help you. He has offered to do this in the past, at least. his is one thing a manufacturor offers over a MYOG, he knows his products and what he can adapt them to easily. Good people at Trail Designs...

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Person to check this out with at Trail Designs on 09/12/2013 18:00:08 MDT Print View

Rand at Trail Designs has refused to include the Fire Pot in their line of pots. They will not sell directly the Ti Cone that is custom made for it even though I authorize the use of my dimensions etc. They gave no reason for the decision.

By early next week I should have a viable Titanium windscreen that will work well with the Fire Pot.