Canister stove ignition options
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Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 08:13:33 MDT Print View

First - I get the impression that many here favor a non piezo stove for a few reasons - weight savings being one, reliability and versatility being others.

I was fiddling with my new jet butane lighter which is bigger and heavier than a mini bic that I usually carry - and other than the gadget factor was wondering whether it was worth taking on a trip. But the thought occurred to me that even a mini bic likely weighs more than the piezo ignitor on, say, my Snow Peak GS-100a gigapower. A bit of research seems to indicate a piezo for the SP is .06 ounces. A mini Bic based on the weight of a three pack is around .40 ounces (subtracted a bit for packaging so this is a guess, albeit a ballpark one). when you're at fractional ounces it would seem like the versatility of using a mini Bic for other things - and altitude performance, wet performance, etc... make it a clear winner even if weight savings is a red herring...

I have a backup fire source like most (firesteel and petroleum jelly cotton balls) - but would not rely on matches for example as my primary option due to wind mostly.

I will say that I keep my Gigapower for a couple reasons even thought I have a Litemax that I use more - it is a dead reliable stove for my Scout son when he gets stove qualified - and the auto ignitor for a younger scout is arguably easier and more reliable than a lighter.

Still - I was curious if anyone uses something other than a mini bic regularly and with what kind of stove? I get the sense some alcohol users employ steels rather than a lighter as they can be hard to light without the risk of burning your hand with a lighter.

Richard May
(richardmay)

Locale: Costa Rica
firesteel on 08/23/2013 08:22:59 MDT Print View

I like using firesteel with my starlyte alky. To get it to work though, you need to dribble a little fuel... alcohol will only light by spark if directly exposed.

To avoid knocking the stove over pull the rod away form it rather than pushing the striker towards it.

There is a little fiddle factor in this but I like that it'll work even if wet.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 09:01:46 MDT Print View

I still always bring matches. Matches work the fastest for me lighter profane. :) I do have a hand held piezo lighter thing and a firesteel which is nice.
Duane

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 09:10:55 MDT Print View

"I get the sense some alcohol users employ steels rather than a lighter as they can be hard to light without the risk of burning your hand with a lighter."

I use a caldera cone with the 12-10 stove. The stove has a depression around the central opening where I add a little alcohol when fill the stove. Lighting that with a miniBic is easy.

Another way to light any alcohol stove is to dip a small twig into the alcohol, light that, and use it to light the stove.

So while Some users like to add gear "to keep things simple", lighting an alcohol stove isn't really that hard.

Edited by greg23 on 08/23/2013 09:11:27 MDT.

Richard May
(richardmay)

Locale: Costa Rica
Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 09:17:52 MDT Print View

"Matches work the fastest for me lighter profane. :)"

Yeah, matches are actually pretty good in wind. When I was a smoker I'd light my smokes, walking into wind, on just the burning sulfur. I'm pretty sure it'd apply pretty well to lighting a stove too.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"Canister stove ignition options" on 08/23/2013 10:35:37 MDT Print View

I use a bic. A lighter can be handy for more than just lighting a stove.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: "Canister stove ignition options" on 08/23/2013 10:55:17 MDT Print View

mini bic here.. i have a pack of paper/bar matches as backup.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: "Canister stove ignition options" on 08/23/2013 12:15:43 MDT Print View

>"A lighter can be handy for more than just lighting a stove."

+1. Starting a campfire. Sealing synthetic rope or fabric. Lighting/melting nylon or polyethylene to repair holes or cracks. Sterilizing a needle or a blade. Back-up/emergency lighting.

Gaute Lote
(glote) - MLife

Locale: Norway
Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 12:41:47 MDT Print View

My Soto OD-1R has the only piezo I've known that still works after several years of use...
I still carry a lighter and a firesteel with my cook kit in case I need it.

After all it's less than 40 grams and it might just save the day IF I ever need it :-)

Edited by glote on 08/23/2013 12:42:20 MDT.

Stuart R
(Scunnered) - F

Locale: Scotland
Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 14:06:43 MDT Print View

2 mini bics (one as backup)

They work fine up to at least 10,000ft but you may need an alternative above 15,000ft

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 14:44:48 MDT Print View

I've had trouble with ordinary paper matches burning above 15,000 feet.

The match heads would strike and smoke and fizzle, but never burst into flame.

--B.G.--

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/23/2013 16:54:26 MDT Print View

>"I've had trouble with ordinary paper matches burning above 15,000 feet."

Just pry the oxygen generator out of the overhead compartment on your next flight.

But seriously, is there a difference between strike-anywheres and safety matches?

Paul McLaughlin
(paul) - MLife
Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/24/2013 11:39:24 MDT Print View

I just carry a mini bic. I actually carry two - one with the stove and another in my kit bag. But I've never had one fail in probably 25 years of taking them. When snow camping I put it in my pocket to keep warm. Many times I light the stove without a flame - just the spark from the lighter does it. I haven't taken matches for probably just as long. Have not owned a stove with Piezo, and from reports I have heard of poor performance at altitude I would carry a lighter anyway, so I see no point in the piezo for me.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Canister stove ignition options on 08/24/2013 12:47:01 MDT Print View

I've used BIC before that got wet. Then it doesn't work. Until it dries off in pocket.

John Coyle
(Bigsac)

Locale: NorCal
Canister stove ignition options on 08/25/2013 22:02:09 MDT Print View

If you pry the childproof safety tab off a Bic lighter, it can be used with your forefinger, which reduces the risk of burning the thumb. This was described in Mike Clelland's most recent little green book and it works great. I normally use a Bic with a firesteel as backup. I bought the separate MSR piezo lighter and it works on canister stoves, but on alcohol forget about it.