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Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 17:23:46 MDT Print View

http://www.sunflourbaking.com/nutrition.html

I have taken two trips with these cookies: JMT in 2011 for 15 days and recently, 130 miles on the PCT.

I have one of these for lunch and one for dessert or my 2 am night time snack to keep me warm through the night.

They are insanely calorie dense at 150-160 per ounce. (Typically 3-4 oz cookies)

That can work out to 450 calories for a 3 ounce cookie or 600 calories for a 4 ounce cookie.

Compare that to a 230-240 Power Bar at 2.1-2.3 ounces.

(I eat Power Bars on the trail because they require "less" chewing. They disolve in my mouth, which makes them easy calories on the go while on the trail.)

These cookies happen to be Vegan and some are Gluten Free, which is not a big deal to me as I love meat.

They come in a variety of types/flavors.

The only complaint is that they are a little dry, but they also have a shelf life of 2-3 months and eating one with some water is fine.

I paid $1.99 to $2.29 each and are cheaper in bulk.

If you are sick of just eating bar after bar, these might be a nice alternative for you.

Anyway, thought I would let people know about this alternative to bars.

I have had enough Cliff Bars that I won't eat anymore of them.

-Tony

Edited by Valshar on 08/13/2013 17:24:56 MDT.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 17:51:37 MDT Print View

Still not as good as Lembas.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 19:28:49 MDT Print View

"They are insanely calorie dense at 150-160 per ounce. (Typically 3-4 oz cookies)"

Not if you add up the calories ingredient by ingredient, unfortunately. The first cookie come out to about 130 calories/oz. The rest were also off by ~30 calories/bar/oz. It is always wise to add up the calories ingredient by ingredient, as inaccuracies are rife throughout the entire food industry. It is an area crying out for regulation by the Feds. Good luck with that!

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 20:42:41 MDT Print View

They are insanely calorie dense at 150-160 per ounce

That would put them right up there with Girl Scout cookies! (all except Tagalongs (sp?))

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 21:03:22 MDT Print View

Tom,

Thanks for pointing out their error or deception in adding up their calorie count.

That said, I do find that they work for me as an alternative to just eating bars.

-Tony

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 21:47:22 MDT Print View

Ooh, I like! The gluten0free and vegan ones, there are some it looks like my youngest son could eat (nut/pb free as well). The bean flours add a lot of fiber as well.

I'd rather eat these kinds of things than Girl Scout Cookies...gag. Those things are nasty!!!!!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 22:25:40 MDT Print View

Sarah, I will always pick your Cran-Mac recipe.

--B.G.--

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/13/2013 23:32:31 MDT Print View

Oh man...I love those bars.
http://www.trailcooking.com/recipes/cran-mac-caramel-bars

Will Webster
(WillWeb) - M
Logan on 08/14/2013 05:34:11 MDT Print View

I think I'll stick with BG's Logan Bread recipe - or as we call it, Gross Bars.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 06:44:50 MDT Print View

These two creations are usually well received:
monster cookies: http://www.cooks.com/recipe/d51lm4qp/monster-cookies.html
Hudsons Bay Bread: http://www.holry.org/essays/baybread.html

and I'll be trying this granola recipe soon:
http://www.deliciousasitlooks.com/2012/10/recipe-for-french-vanilla-almond-granola.html

as well as Sarah's cran-macs

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 10:16:33 MDT Print View

Way too much processed crap in there for me. I've pretty much quit all store-bought bars except the Lara variety that have minimal ingredients (usually dates, nuts, and maybe some other fruit).

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 14:00:50 MDT Print View

Chris, the ingredients are not overly processed as it goes for "processed foods". If anything, they are different flours and gums - which one would use at home if they made it.

Be wary of Larabars. They are not the small company they used to be. It is why the bars don't taste as good anymore. They are owned by General Mills.

If you want to be scared...look at this flow chart:
https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/OrganicMay2013zoom.png

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 14:07:31 MDT Print View

All of those grain flours are no bueno. We don't use any of that stuff at home personally. If we use "flour" it's coconut or almond.

I'm not really worried so much about who makes the Lara bars, as long as the ingredients are real foods, minimally processed, and limited in number. I'd prefer to make them myself, but that's time I can't spend doing other things I love. :-)

FWIW - I did notice a new type of Lara bar recently (while visiting family near Atlanta) that is full of crap I have no interest in. Interestingly, our local stores don't carry them. I do live in a "foodtopia" though with a lot of hippies.

Looking at the vegan cookies:

unbleached enriched wheat flour (enzyme added for improved baking, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin), organic evaporated cane juice, fruit juice, natural grain dextrins (brown rice syrup [not barley derived], grape juice concentrate), expeller pressed canola oil, xanthan and guar gums, potato starch, tapioca flour, leavening (calcium carbonate, calcium lactate [not dairy derived], citric acid), carbohydrate gum, pure vanilla extract, baking soda, baking powder, sea salt, soy lecithin, natural chocolate and vanilla flavors

So we have grain flour, then processed sugar, then fruit juice (ok), then more processed sugar, then corn oil.... beyond that is mostly ok until you get to the "natural" flavors which are anything but and usually quite scary in chemical makeup.

Edited by simplespirit on 08/14/2013 14:14:58 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 14:15:14 MDT Print View

I usually make these. Slightly modified version of oatmeal cookies from "King Arthur Whole Grain Baking"

3 ounces butter
10 ounces peanut butter
1 1/4 cup (9 3/8 ounces) dark brown sugar
3 Tbs (2 ounces) dark corn syrup or molasses
3/4 tsp baking soda
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp salt
2 tsp cinnamon
1/4 tsp ginger
1/4 tsp nutmeg
1 Tbs cider vinegar
1 Tbs Vanilla
1 egg
1 1/4 cups (5 ounces) whole wheat flour
1 1/3 cup (4 5/8 ounces) old fashioned rolled oats
4 ounces chopped nuts (peanut, pecan, or walnut, or...)
6 ounces raisins (or other dried fruit - dates, figs, cranberries,... chopped into raisin sized pieces)
6 ounces chocolate chips (I prefer the 60% Cacao chips because other chips consist of mostly sugar)

I make it into 48 cookies. Bake at 350 F for 14 minutes. I put the chocolate chips on top of each cookies and let them melt onto it as it bakes.

Per cookie:
1.1 oz
181.5 cals
9.8 g fat
17.0 g carb
6.4 g protein

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 17:06:50 MDT Print View

Chris...I was a nut and fruit person until we found out our youngest son is anaphylaxis to all nuts. Yeah, not fun.

That means we had to eradicate ALL nut flours out of our diets overnight (I can say that 2 ER visits in one month gets pricey - first for peanuts, second for cashews). He is also allergic to gluten, eggs and dairy.

So fore me.....I had a 180 rotation on how I packed for hikes and how we eat at home. We use a lot of brown rice flour, sweet sorghum flour, tapioca flour - and keep it vegan to avoid eggs.

All it takes is one time of watching your child at 16 months react so violently, to realize that nuts are not exactly friendly to everyone.

I am pretty well known for how we eat - it is as unprocessed as can be - but no, I don't see all grains as evil. I never have. Everything in moderation. Sure, almond flour bakes great with eggs....but not until another say 17 years has gone by will I be enjoying that again......

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: And PS on 08/14/2013 17:07:57 MDT Print View

you SHOULD worry about General Mills owning so many companies. Want to talk about GMO crap? They are behind blocking consumers knowing.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 18:41:35 MDT Print View

"That said, I do find that they work for me as an alternative to just eating bars."

I don't doubt that for a minute, Tony. My only purpose in posting was to alert you, and potentially others, to the misinformation. Choice of food is always a strictly personal decision that I would never seek to influence. The good news is that the cookies' high carb count means you will have a robust flame in which to roast your fats. ;0)

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/14/2013 18:52:35 MDT Print View

Another great looking cookie recipe! Thanks Jerry.

Hard to have too many of these, I find variety an important element of backcountry eating satisfaction.

Make a batch of something, vacuum seal them in packages of 3-4, store in the freezer. For the next outing, grab some of each kind and you are ready to go!

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/15/2013 06:19:22 MDT Print View

Hmm...was he allergy tested for all nuts? The reason I ask is technically neither peanuts or cashews are nuts. Both of those are legumes and a common allergy. I don't think (haven't researched it heavily) true nut allergies are quite as common and can be misdiagnosed due to cross contamination. I'm ok with some raw grain-type foods (ex. steel cut or rolled oats and quinoa). Unfortunately, most of the preground or processed stuff sold in the store isn't what it says it is.

I'm starting to really wish I lived a few generations ago before all this crap existed. When gas was cheap and food was real.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/15/2013 08:11:46 MDT Print View

"I'm starting to really wish I lived a few generations ago before all this crap existed. When gas was cheap and food was real."

Before the internets and sites like this existed

When we spent all our time farming in order to barely survive the coming winter.

When half of us would have died while we were children : )

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Re: Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/15/2013 08:20:07 MDT Print View

"Before the internets and sites like this existed

When we spent all our time farming in order to barely survive the coming winter.

When half of us would have died while we were children : )"

Well, my family members of the time lived in to their 80s, but maybe I just have good genes. :-)

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: on 08/15/2013 10:12:39 MDT Print View

Um yes. He has had extensive testing with an allergist doctor. He has life-threatening allergies. Considering I have had to use an Epi-Pen on him already once, it is real for us.
Cashew allergies are actually more common than peanut ones.
It has nothing to do with cross contamination - his numbers are extremely high.

I trust Bob's Red Mill for their products. They are a good company, and hey, I have met Bob himself.

This "crap" always existed. People just died back then. Food wasn't anymore real, unless you were growing your own - if anything canning and freezing methods of preservation has made food safer.

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/15/2013 13:15:17 MDT Print View

Tom,

No worries at all....always glad to get your advice or simply pointing out the "deceptive" calorie count on their packaging.

I should say that at lunch time I also eat two slices of salami and take a shot of olive oil. (Yeah, it is kinda disgusting, but I have a very poor sense of smell and taste and can eat stuff that might make others sick).

After my JMT trip in 2011, I just could not bear the thought of chewing on a rock hard Cliff bar every again.

The Power Bars are disgusting in their own way....I call it baby poo taffy, but on the upside, not much chewing needed and I can eat them on the go without stopping on the trail.

-Tony

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Olive oil and pasta on 08/15/2013 13:59:37 MDT Print View

My now retired neighbor used to stay out for weeks he said back in the 70's. 80's, eating pasta and olive oil. No re-supply for weeks. He is a little short, but a big guy.
Duane

Kathleen B
(rosierabbit) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Sarah's Cran Bars on 08/15/2013 14:38:27 MDT Print View

When I make Sarah's cran bars, which is pretty much constantly, I always double the craisins and walnuts, and I usually use homemade granola without the sweetening for the cereal, because the recipe itself has plenty of sweetening. Sometimes I use corn flakes. One of those bars is my breakfast on the trail. We get up, pack up, and head out munching on the bars. They power me for hours. I love those things.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/15/2013 16:57:20 MDT Print View

"Well, my family members of the time lived in to their 80s, but maybe I just have good genes. :-)"

+1

@ Jerry: My Mom's batted a little better than .500. She only lost 3 out of 10 siblings to childhood diseases. All the rest made it into their 80's and 90's. Pretty much the same on my Dad's side. Some were farmers, some worked in lumbermills and factories, but they all worked hard. Pretty much the same for most folks back then. Tough old birds, the lot of them, and if only half of them survived, we wouldn't be a nation of 300 million today. I think your numbers are a little off. ;0)

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Replace your energy bar with a Cookie! on 08/15/2013 17:17:46 MDT Print View

"I should say that at lunch time I also eat two slices of salami and take a shot of olive oil. (Yeah, it is kinda disgusting, but I have a very poor sense of smell and taste and can eat stuff that might make others sick)."

Lots of fat in those two. Together with your cookies, I'd say you've got a pretty good ratio of fats to carbs, with some solid protein in the bargain.

"After my JMT trip in 2011, I just could not bear the thought of chewing on a rock hard Cliff bar every again.

The Power Bars are disgusting in their own way....I call it baby poo taffy, but on the upside, not much chewing needed and I can eat them on the go without stopping on the trail."

They are both near the top of my all time list of disgusting disgusting food items, particularly the Power Bar.* Their one redeeming quality is that you don't need to bear bag them. NO respectable bear would go near either. ;0)

* In position number one is the Carob Cocoa Pemmican Bar. EYYYUCKKKKK!

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
30 minutes after on 08/15/2013 23:37:32 MDT Print View

 photo B1_zps61df7b45.jpg

That is my youngest son, in the ER, 30 minutes after giving him an Epi-Pen shot, antihistamines and steroid shots. Believe me, he looked like a million dollars compared to how he had looked 30 minutes before.