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can you suggest a down jacket for my needs please
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Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
GWhisperer on 08/08/2013 19:50:46 MDT Print View

I really think it's a big plus that a down garment comes w/ a hood, the GW does and actually fits pretty well (my nogan anyways)- I wish they would have added a drawstring to the hood, but they didn't

I had a MB ex-light jacket and it was nice, the GW is nicer- hood, pockets, drawstring waist

w/ a long sleeve base layer, the GW w/ hood up, windshirt w/ hood up- I've been pretty comfortable lounging around in temps right at freezing- not for hours on end, but for a couple of hours

find it on sale, it's too expensive (as all of them are) at full retail

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Deep Frreze
Hadron on 08/08/2013 20:08:41 MDT Print View

The Hadron is a great piece, especially at the bargain price.

Charles Jennings
(vigilguy) - F

Locale: Northern Utah
VALANDRE Immelman pricing on 08/08/2013 21:27:08 MDT Print View

@Scott Jones
The VALANDRE Immelman runs $647.95, and that is with the discounted MAP pricing.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles on 08/08/2013 22:57:57 MDT Print View

They have a new down anorak jacket. Wrist cuffs are improved and it comes in black. I might get one.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
It's summer - look for sales on 08/09/2013 00:38:25 MDT Print View

I got my Eddie Bauer Down Sweater (see my avatar) for $89. 3 years ago on sale. Great jacket for the money at 800 fill weight.

Derek M.
(dmusashe) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Hooded down jackets on 08/09/2013 03:05:43 MDT Print View

I share Mike M's preference for hooded down jackets. I have found that adding a hood to a down jacket (or any other jacket for that matter) seems to increase the overall warmth of the jacket in a nonlinear way.

That is to say, a jacket feels A LOT warmer to me when a hood is added-- more so than you might otherwise think. I don't know exactly what it is, but the whole jacket seems to trap heat much better and funnel it to your head when your hood is up.

In a lightweight down jacket you pay about a 1 ounce penalty for the hood, and to me this is an ounce very well spent. But of course, YMMV.

Edited by dmusashe on 08/09/2013 03:07:07 MDT.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Re: Hooded down jackets on 08/09/2013 06:36:07 MDT Print View

We loose the most heat from our heads so if you can trap the 'heat' then that would make a big difference for sure :)

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 08/10/2013 01:02:15 MDT Print View

Well after all that I bought the Stoick Hooded Hadron off another BPL-er. I figured I can include it as one of my 'layers' see how that goes. I bought another jacket a week earlier off another member here but I am not too happy to take it with me bushwacking with the weight of it at 485g (17ounces)...forgot the manufacturer but it is hoodless. anyway, lets see how it goes :)

Babak Sakaki
(persianpunisher) - F
Re: Re: Hooded jacket and vest on 10/23/2013 19:29:50 MDT Print View

The face fabric is a lot more durable than the high loft... I also read that the down is 98 grams, the exact same as the Down Sweater Hoody (non hi-loft)

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/23/2013 20:14:45 MDT Print View

"We loose the most heat from our heads"

Uhhhhhhhhh, no.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/23/2013 20:36:26 MDT Print View

Mik said: "We loose the most heat from our heads"

Doug said: Uhhhhhhhhh, no.

Doug is correct if one focuses on the words the most

But I'm with Mik if his words are modified to "We loose a lot of heat from our neck and head"

But the importance of that really depends on what "cold weather" means.

When I was a kid living on the gulf coast "cold weather" was anything below 40F and below 30F was the end of civilization as we knew it. I would not bother with a hood there.

Most of my life has been spent in MN and come March those temps are considered t-shirt weather. In our COLD weather a hood makes a huge difference.

Ken T.
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: All up in there
Re: Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/23/2013 21:51:45 MDT Print View

"We loose the most heat from our heads"

Not if it's screwed on tight.

alex hansen
Instead of starting a new thread... on 10/23/2013 23:56:01 MDT Print View

Which down jacket is:
A pull over with a quarter or half snap opening
Has a hood
Is good down to 30 with merino short sleeve, LS base layers and wind shirt

I find that I never wear my down jacket with the bottom half of the zipper undone. I saw a video of mike cell land wearing a pullover but I don't remember him mentioning what it was.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/24/2013 00:28:24 MDT Print View

rom "The Hot Brain", MIT Press ...

Thermal Response to Cold

Cold does not exist as a physical entity in and of itself. It is defined as a lack of heat and is not a different form of energy. We are not "pierced" by the cold winds of winter. Cold is simply a sensation that results from heat loss. When humans are exposed to a cold environment, their skin cools and stimulates cutaneous cold receptors, which increase their firing rate as skin temperature decreases . This in turn activates neural pathways to produce superficial vasoconstriction, piloerection or "goose pimples," and possibly shivering. The superficial veins under the skin constrict, and blood returns from the limbs via deep veins, the venae comitantes. This venoconstriction contributes to the lowering of skin temperature, which reduces the temperature difference between the skin and the environment, thereby decreasing heat loss by radiation, conduction, and convection. In very cold weather, vasoconstriction is so effective that tissue insulation can be increased sixfold. This is equivalent to wearing a light wool business suit. Interestingly, the insulation of the head does not change with environmental temperature because cerebral blood flow is kept constant : at -4 C the amount of heat lost from the head is about half of that produced
by the body at rest. It is wise to wear a hat in the winter.


Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/24/2013 00:31:41 MDT Print View

Now we know why Eric always seeks out hawt chicks.


eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/24/2013 00:34:41 MDT Print View

im a kind soul ... if a hawty looks like shes going hypothermic, one should warm them up with body heat


Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Hooded down jackets on 10/24/2013 00:40:34 MDT Print View

I'm going to have to schedule a winter trip to Vancouver.


Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Deep Frreze
@Alex on 10/24/2013 06:40:09 MDT Print View


Sounds exactly like the Stoic Hadron Down Hoody.

alex hansen
Hadron no longer available? on 10/24/2013 09:09:05 MDT Print View

Above posters mentioned keeping an eye on gear swap for the hadron anorak, is it no longer available? A quick search yielded nothing online from my phone, but it's difficult to look

Babak Sakaki
(persianpunisher) - F
It is still available. on 10/24/2013 12:53:50 MDT Print View

It is available, just under Hadron. Same manufacturer.... stoic brand is being phased out.