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Keith F
(hamerica) - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 07:55:57 MDT Print View

I came across these in whole foods the other day:

Cocomama

Relatively heavy at around 5oz but they have slightly more protein than oatmeal and are very tasty. They also don't require any extra water or heating.

Edited by hamerica on 08/06/2013 12:14:51 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 09:59:58 MDT Print View

CocoMama

$3.50 a serving was the cheapest I could find.

Just for comparison, 5 ounces of basic instant oatmeat has 535 calories and 18 grams of protein. But I'm sure Cocomama tastes better.

Edited by greg23 on 08/06/2013 10:12:19 MDT.

Keith F
(hamerica) - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
Re: Re: New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 10:34:11 MDT Print View

That is 5oz of dry oatmeal though, not sure the comparison works out the same since these pouches are already hydrated.

Here is the nutrition info for a standard oatmeal packet that yields 177 grams:


nutrition


Yeah, they are pretty pricey but I think they are a good luxury no cook alternative.

Edited by hamerica on 08/06/2013 11:44:17 MDT.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"New Breakfast Option" on 08/06/2013 12:05:22 MDT Print View

Not a bad option. I've been known to take homemade quinoa pilaf with me for lunches on short outings.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 12:18:14 MDT Print View

oops. I didn't realize the product was already hydrated.

Just the same, if I were going to take a cereal, I'd take it dry to maximize the calories/oz.

Keith F
(hamerica) - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 12:27:03 MDT Print View

I agree Greg, I usually take dry oatmeal as well but maybe when you factor in the weight of the fuel and water to hydrate it might work out to be around the same. I like the idea of not cooking so I can get going faster in the morning and these taste better to me than a probar. On a longer trip I might take one or two of these just for variety.

Edited by hamerica on 08/06/2013 12:34:13 MDT.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 16:08:50 MDT Print View

Dry cereal with Nido is my go-to. I probably go with 2 servings of cereal so i can get 4g of protein from that and probably not a whole serving of Nido so a few more g from that.gg
nido

;) NOMMM

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Breakfast Option on 08/06/2013 16:30:17 MDT Print View

Just take regular oatmeal, add almonds and whey protein (Isolate, not blended).

Protein blast without the sugars.

Kate Magill
(lapedestrienne) - F
quinoa flakes on 08/12/2013 10:41:30 MDT Print View

I like plain quinoa flakes like these: http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Harvest-Quinoa-Organic-12-Ounce/dp/B001JJXDSC

They cook fast and can be dressed up with maple sugar, coconut, nuts, dried fruit, whatever. If you have the budget to upgrade from oats, the nutrition profile is definitely superior (quinoa is a seed, not a grain!).

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: quinoa flakes on 08/12/2013 12:19:01 MDT Print View

Cereals are seeds - the seeds that form at the head of a grain.

Kate Magill
(lapedestrienne) - F
quinoa cont. on 08/12/2013 14:20:53 MDT Print View

Greg--

Quinoa isn't actually a cereal grain in the botanical sense of a caryopsis, which is specifically a seed that comes from a member of the grass family (Poaceae). Those include wheat, corn, rye, etc. If you want to get technical, a caryopsis is actually the fruit and the seed fused into a single grain.

Quinoa, on the other hand, is a "pseudocereal": it is somewhat starchy like a cereal crop but comes from a dicotyledonous plant, not a monocot (which all the grasses are). Buckwheat would fall into this category, too. Also, amaranth. From a nutritional perspective, all of these have a higher ratio of protein to carbs than the cereal grains do.

All grains are seeds, but not all seeds are grains. (Think squares and rectangles). This is why the nutritional profile of quinoa is substantially different from that of oats/wheat/etc and why we digest it somewhat differently.

Also, with the increasing popularity of quinoa as a health food in North America, its prices have skyrocketed to the point where the indigenous Andeans who've been cultivating it for millenia can no longer afford it.

It's been a while since my last Bio class, but I hope that's a pretty good nutshell (and don't get me started on nuts vs. seeds...).

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: quinoa cont. on 08/12/2013 15:42:24 MDT Print View

Thanks for clarifying that. I go with granola, protein powder and nido with some dried fruit. Quinoa is for dinner.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: quinoa cont. on 08/12/2013 18:07:02 MDT Print View

I was curious about the claim that quinoa has a lot of protein, so I poked around a bit.

It is amazingly difficult to find a on-line nutrition site that uses standardized measures, and addresses both quinoa flakes and rolled oats. So, a little math is involved to get measure-to-measure results.

In this cut-and-paste from caloriecount.about.com the serving size for quinoa is 34 grams and for instant rolled oats is 27 grams.

Quinoa1

To get an equivalent measure for the oats take the quinoa weight, divide it my the oats weight, and then multiply by the oats' protein -

34/27 x 3.59 = 4.5 grams of protein in a 34 gram serving versus 4.3 grams for the quinoa




At www.shopwell.com the serving size for the quinoa is 34 grams and for the instant rolled oats is 40 grams.

Quinoa3

Since the first site also had a 34 gram measure we can "standardize" to that by Reducing the amount of rolled oats to 34 grams.

34/40 x 5 = 4.25 grams of protein in a 34 gram serving for the oats versus 4.0 grams for the quinoa.



I don't have a clue why the two sites give two different numbers, but in both cases, oats come out ahead.

If anyone has different data, please share.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: quinoa cont. on 08/12/2013 18:12:15 MDT Print View

I don't have any data on the total amount of protein, but the protein in Quinoa is a complete protein. That's not quite the case for oatmeal. On the other hand, adding milk powder to just about anything will make the protein more complete.

--B.G.--

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: quinoa cont. - little known fact on 08/12/2013 18:37:51 MDT Print View

Quinoa is a complete protein. This is where it comes from....

quinoa

Edited by idester on 08/12/2013 18:38:35 MDT.

Jason G
(JasonG) - F

Locale: iceberg lake
2nd on 08/13/2013 15:00:08 MDT Print View

I had some chai almond flavored quinoa cereal that was pretty darn good in emigrant wilderness this past weekend. I forgot the name but i got it at Berkeley bowl..

Diane Pinkers
(dipink) - M

Locale: Western Washington
web-site that had inflammatory info? on 08/13/2013 17:08:53 MDT Print View

Hey, I want to know what web-site was cited above that had the Glycemic Index and Inflammatory profile. That looks cool!

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: web-site that has Inflamation info? on 08/13/2013 17:35:22 MDT Print View

NutritionalData.self.com

Edited by greg23 on 08/13/2013 17:38:46 MDT.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Quinoa on 08/23/2013 20:36:15 MDT Print View

> the protein in Quinoa is a complete protein. That's not quite the case for oatmeal.

Correct. Quinoa is unusual for being a sort of "self-contained" protein that provides all the essential amino acids from one plant source. It isn't as high protein as, say, eggs or meat or lentils...but it is complete (as are soybeans and buckwheat, btw). Quinoa isn't protein dense enough to replace other high-protein foods.

I make quinoa dishes at home, then dehydrate them. They reconstitute quickly and very well with no fuss and no muss on my supercat stove in a single pot. To me, quinoa is a backpacking miracle food.

You could easily dehydrate/rehydrate the breakfasts posted above, to get them light enough for carry.

Edited by Bolster on 08/23/2013 20:40:38 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Quinoa on 08/23/2013 20:51:10 MDT Print View

"I make quinoa dishes at home, then dehydrate them."

I cook quinoa at home, then dehydrate it into little tan nuggets. That gets carried in a ziploc bag. I also dehydrate tomato sauce, BBQ sauce, finely diced vegetables, and all sorts of ingredients. Then I purchase some dry soup, bacon pieces, etc.

When I arrive in camp, I decide how I want to mix my ingredients for rehydration/simmering as dinner. That depends on my mood.

Actually, breakfast is much the same, except that instead of vegetables, it is probably freeze-dried fruit bits, air dehydrated fruit bits, and milk powder to go with the quinoa.

The richest proteins for me seem to be soy-based and milk-based.

Now, maybe some of the nutritionists can help with this. How complete is a complete protein? Or, what happens if it is not complete? I know that different incomplete vegetable proteins can be balanced to form a complete mixture, but I don't know how far that needs to go.

Let's just take an example. Suppose that my body needs 60 grams of protein per day. Now suppose that I consume 30 grams of high-quality complete protein, and another 30 grams of incomplete peanut butter protein. How big of a deal is this?

--B.G.--