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Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: Re: Or why... on 08/06/2013 09:26:48 MDT Print View

--Tis a shame we can't simply appreciate the effort, even if we don't completely understand it or wouldn't be interested in doing it ourselves.--

Well said.

Anyone know the SKT (Slowest Known Time) for the JMT? I'll bet that person knows how to enjoy a view.

Adam

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Or why... on 08/06/2013 09:35:57 MDT Print View

Is it wrong to try and break a Fastest Known Time on a trail, run a mile under 4 minutes or break the world record in the mile, be the first to hike a long route (ala Skukra), climb a new route on a Big mountain, climb a new route on a Big rock, or be the youngest person to complete the Triple Crown of long hikes?

It is this competitive nature in people that often leads to breaking new barriers. It shows what can be done, when most say it cannot.

Speed hikes may not be of interest to the majority of members of BPL (myself included), just as doing the PCT with a SUL kit is probably not of interest to most here, or even doing the entire PCT in 6 months is not going to be done by most here. Should we disparage PCT hikers who take a break once a week and go into a town or even for taking several months out of life to hike it?

These guys hiked the entire JMT (or maybe ran part of it). Did they miss something that someone who hikes it in 3 weeks will experience? I don't know, or even care. Everyone gets what they want out of their own hikes.

Speed hikes are of little interest to me, but it is not my place to pass judgement on those who want to do them. But it is backpacking -- they carried a pack with all their food and gear, slept in the wilderness, and got home safely. I do each of these 3 things on all my trips. They just covered more miles per hour than I do.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Seems like everyone missed the most important question on 08/06/2013 09:53:42 MDT Print View

Did they bring pencils?

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: Or why... on 08/06/2013 10:27:09 MDT Print View

Adam R. -
"Anyone know the SKT (Slowest Known Time) for the JMT? I'll bet that person knows how to enjoy a view."

Maybe not the record, but she probably does know how to enjoy the view.

Edited by greg23 on 08/06/2013 10:28:13 MDT.

ROBERT TANGEN
(RobertM2S) - M

Locale: Lake Tahoe
Why short to long socks? on 08/06/2013 15:42:30 MDT Print View

In the start photo, both are wearing short socks. In the finish photo, one is wearing long socks. Are those support socks? Anti-scratch socks?

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Very Impressive on 08/06/2013 15:59:52 MDT Print View

Any way you cut it, this is a very impressive athletic achievement. I also am intrigued by the mental breakdown that has been reported by many of the JMT attempts.

It just too bad that folks have to pass judgement on how others choice to spend their time. But since this has headed in the judgement direction I want to share a post that Anish put on her Facebook page. For those who don't know she is very close to smashing Scott Williamson's PCT record by about 6 days if she finishes at current pace. One thing you will see in all of her pictures is that she has an ear to ear smile. But how can she smile, isn't an average of 46 miles per day misery and the wrong way to hike? Shouldnt she be smelling the flowers? You be the judge.

from Anish on Facebook....

"I imagine people may think I am a natural athlete, the girl who played sports all through school. The exact opposite is true. I was an overweight child, a bookworm who sat with her nose in an adventure book and daydreamed. I never exercised and couldn't make it around the track without walking. When I graduated high school I weighed 200lbs.
I daydreamed of adventure, but the thing I daydreamed the most was that I would someday set a record. Not just any record though, an athletic record. I wanted so desperately to not be what I was. I hated my body and myself. I consoled myself by eating a bowls full of oreos and milk as though they were cereal. But somewhere deep inside I knew I was capable of doing something more.
When I was 20 I met something that would forever change my life. A Trail. Though my first few hikes were miserable as I forced my body to work, I was enthralled. Trails took me on the adventures I craved and to beautiful, wondrous, wild places. I lost my heart and soul...and eventually 70 lbs...to the trails.
Now, I am a few short days away from fulfilling my oldest daydream: setting an athletic record. I cry when I think about all the things I have overcome to get here, both on this hike and off. It makes me ever so grateful to that chubby girl who dared to dream big, audacious dreams. I am even more thankful that she grew up to be a woman courageous enough to make those dreams reality."

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 17:40:11 MDT Print View

"what's so hypocritical is that the same people who trot out the famous HYOH are the very people who make up a large part of the slow poke snob group and criticize others who like to go fast."

Art,

Who/what is this "slow poke snob" club? Do they have a website? Annual dues? Where can we join?

It seems more than a little ironically challenged to interpret "fastest performance of Beethoven's 9th" as ANYTHING other than a merely ironic commentary on the vastly different approaches to taking on the JMT. It was, and was intended to be, funny. It was obviously NOT a negative comment about this impressive accomplishment, or the person who did it, either by the original poster or those of us that gave it a +1. This seem to have sailed cleanly over your head sir. I know for sure I was never deprecating the achievement, and I suspect the other people who thought this comment valid/funny had not intended to do so either.

In addition there were probably a dozen or so funny, equally ironic ways of responding and making your point back. Instead you chose the least interesting (and possibly most witless) possibility - to get a bee in you bonnet and comment nastily about how people you know nothing at all about never "tried to test ourselves at anything and have spent our entire lives simply smelling roses". You chose the least interesting way to reply, by setting up fictitious straw men, with made up attributes, to knock down when there was never any real slight to begin with.

You Sir, are a bore. *throws down gauntlet and unsheathes rapier* ('cause that is just how we roll in the slow poke snob club)

Edited by millonas on 08/06/2013 18:22:34 MDT.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 17:52:15 MDT Print View

You know, I like roses. Never remember seeing any in the High Sierras though.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 18:04:36 MDT Print View

"Never remember seeing any in the High Sierras though."

Slow down next time. You can't miss 'em

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 18:06:08 MDT Print View

Wild roses grow around 8000 feet elevation.

--B.G.--

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 18:08:09 MDT Print View

I like smelling Sky Pilots though - and not just because it sounds like a Grateful Dead song.

Paul Wagner
(balzaccom) - F

Locale: Wine Country
Irory on 08/06/2013 20:00:38 MDT Print View

"It seems more than a little ironically challenged to interpret "fastest performance of Beethoven's 9th" as ANYTHING other than a merely ironic commentary on the vastly different approaches to taking on the JMT. It was, and was intended to be, funny. "

Thanks Mark. You did. indeed, interpret my post accurately.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Or why... on 08/06/2013 20:33:16 MDT Print View

" It always makes me sigh a bit when we seemingly can't resist having to piss on someone else's parade because they see the world differently than we do. Tis a shame we can't simply appreciate the effort, even if we don't completely understand it or wouldn't be interested in doing it ourselves."

+1 accompanied by a weary sigh. :o(

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Wow on 08/06/2013 20:38:02 MDT Print View

"With enough people attempting it we're bound to see someone get the right set of conditions (weather, sleep, fueling, conditioning, etc.) to take the time down further."

Offer a Mercedes Benz as a prize, and some Kenyan or Ethiopian will do it in under 2 days. ;0)

Edited by ouzel on 08/06/2013 20:41:51 MDT.

Paul Magnanti
(PaulMags) - MLife

Locale: People's Republic of Boulder
Miles Per Day on 08/06/2013 20:47:14 MDT Print View

Oh great sages of the Internet Hiking Forums,

What is the optimum MPD to hike the JMT?

I'm afraid if I hike too fast, I will not be enjoying myself.

I hear many people talking about slowing down to enjoy the trail.

So, the question is, what is the correct MPD to get optimum enjoyment, fulfillment and joy out of a hike?

Seems a few people here know The One Correct Answer (TM).

Being a poor, wandering soul, I do not posses this info.

If someone could enlighten me, I'll be sure to hike the correct way.

:)

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
reasons on 08/06/2013 20:48:41 MDT Print View

The only person that speed hikes for the right reasons, is the one that does it, but doesnt tell anyone.

Sean Nordeen
(Miner) - F - M

Locale: SoCAL
New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 20:49:07 MDT Print View

It isn't that I don't understand the people who try to set these records. What I don't understand are the people who actively support these runners on the trail by bringing them stuff. The whole reason I'm on this site is because I hate carrying my own stuff so I'm trying to get ride of most of it, so I have no interest in hiking over a pass to carry something for my brother, let alone a complete stranger.

Edited by Miner on 08/06/2013 20:51:32 MDT.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Miles Per Day on 08/06/2013 21:10:51 MDT Print View

Nm

Edited by Kat_P on 08/06/2013 22:10:53 MDT.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 21:13:33 MDT Print View

I don't know Hal, but I know Mike, heck of a nice guy- congrats to both of them. Seems like there is getting to be more interest in FKT's, so it stands to reason that many are going to fall (and have fallen).

Personally, I think the unsupported records are more inline with my thinking. There are a ton of places I would like to do a multi-day run/fast pack (JMT included), reading these accounts just gets the juices flowing even more :)

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Adventure Racing on 08/06/2013 21:28:52 MDT Print View

I used to enjoy, and be amazed by the abilities of the folks doing the big week-long adventure races. Just before I finally threw out my TV set for good I recall seeing it covered on a few cable TV shows. I haven't kept up with the sport at all since then. How is it going as a sport these days? Hopefully the participants can make a reasonable living. Seems like it would take a lot more mental toughness than any professional sport where you get to sleep in a bed every night - probably a very similar set of mental (as well as physical of course) skills to those of the people who can set these kinds of records.

Do the highest ranking teams still do it on sleep deprivation, or do they have some rules to discourage this? A part of the slowpoke snob club I definitely would discourage sleep deprivation, though I have to admit it seemed to make for good TV. My naive picture is that on the last few days doing the JMT so fast you might be in a bit of a haze. I'd be worried about taking a bad fall, but fortunately I will never have to worry about it. I would probably insist on stopping for about about a 10 hour nap about the middle of the second day. I do remember some of the adventure racers more or less carrying one of their comrades in an advanced stage of sleep-deprived disorientation. Through leech infested rivers no less. Yup, damn fine TV. And yes, also very amazing. I don't see it as applicable in ANY way to MY life, but freaking amazing.

Edited by millonas on 08/06/2013 21:53:11 MDT.