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(asandh) - F
New JMT Speed Record on 08/05/2013 17:29:36 MDT Print View

Hal Koerner and Mike Wolfe

3 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes
(Whitney Portal to Happy Isles)

I'm assuming this is the supported record since they are elite ultra runners, but not absolutely certain what style.

Edited by asandh on 08/05/2013 17:40:36 MDT.

Paul Wagner
(balzaccom) - F

Locale: Wine Country
Or why... on 08/05/2013 19:11:16 MDT Print View

Fastest performance of Beethoven's 9th symphony...

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Or why... on 08/05/2013 20:30:22 MDT Print View

"Fastest performance of Beethoven's 9th symphony..."

+1.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Or why... on 08/05/2013 22:11:07 MDT Print View

yes I get it.
you guys are slow poke snobs :-(
have you ever tried to test yourself at anything or have you spent your entire life simply smelling roses ?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/05/2013 22:20:02 MDT Print View

http://www.neverstopexploring.com/blog/2013/08/hal-koerner-and-mike-wolfe-set-a-new-fastest-known-time-record-on-the-john-muir-trail.html

Personally I've been following https://www.facebook.com/AnishHikes

Edited by kthompson on 08/05/2013 22:22:15 MDT.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/05/2013 22:25:42 MDT Print View

I'm looking forward to the write up of their adventure. These JMT FKT attempts always seem to push people to their absolute limits mentally. I find it very intriguing and inspiring.

I always laugh at these threads though, because there's always someone who takes such offense to people testing their limits. Why hiking long hours is such an offensive act is beyond me.

Paul Wagner
(balzaccom) - F

Locale: Wine Country
not offense...just don't get it on 08/05/2013 22:33:16 MDT Print View

I have done very competitive semi-pro sports, and I understand challenging yourself.

But why the JMT? Seems like a waste...

Wanna run? Do six marathons. I will admire you. But running the JMT in the dark?

eh.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: not offense...just don't get it on 08/05/2013 22:38:36 MDT Print View

"But running the JMT in the dark?"

Harder than running on a flat, paved surface nearer to sea level.

More power to them.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: not offense...just don't get it on 08/05/2013 22:40:30 MDT Print View

the most boring type of running is a setting that is purely about running, crowded in with 20,000 others.
the Sierra trails offer some of the best running in the world.
give it a try ... you'll convert.
and if you've never hiked the Sierra at night you need to try it, very sublime.
what's so hypocritical is that the same people who trot out the famous HYOH are the very people who make up a large part of the slow poke snob group and criticize others who like to go fast.

Edited by asandh on 08/05/2013 22:55:49 MDT.

Richard Cullip
(RichardCullip) - M

Locale: San Diego County
Wow on 08/05/2013 22:41:04 MDT Print View

Now that's fast.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Wow on 08/05/2013 22:42:06 MDT Print View

Anyone want to guess how long this record will hold? It's pretty fast.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Re: Wow on 08/05/2013 22:45:09 MDT Print View

Hal and Mike are among the 10 best 100 mile ultra runners in the U.S.

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: Re: Wow on 08/05/2013 22:59:31 MDT Print View

"Anyone want to guess how long this record will hold? It's pretty fast."

I'm guessing not all that long. Seems like a popular target for a FKT, and its not like they knocked a ton of time off of the old (and still standing unsupported) record.

With enough people attempting it we're bound to see someone get the right set of conditions (weather, sleep, fueling, conditioning, etc.) to take the time down further.

Honestly, some of ghe accounts of failed attempts are more fascinating than the successes. Truly an epic feat of human endurance and will power.

Edited by 7sport on 08/05/2013 23:00:54 MDT.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 06:55:44 MDT Print View

That's fine and all, but this is still about bping. Unfortunately, I'm over the hill too much to make myself happy pushing my limit and that limit has declined too much the last few years. I did go xc on part of my recent vacation to Desolation a week ago, got the scratches on my legs to prove it. I used to run in HS and did some 5K's locally, getting a few medals, but the other side, not much competition.
Duane

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 07:34:15 MDT Print View

Fastest performance of Beethoven's 9th: +2

If, like me, you've been shoved off a narrow trail by more than one runner too impatient to wait until you find a safe place to get off, you would feel the same way.

Edited by hikinggranny on 08/06/2013 07:39:54 MDT.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 07:47:18 MDT Print View

This site is NOT about back packing.

The title is backpackinglight.
In that title I see an implied secondary purpose of going either fast or far or both.
No you don't have to, you can go slow and smell the roses.
But when people brag about how light weight they can make their "kits" ... sometimes even less than 5 lbs for an overnighter, well, is this just about counting grams so we can brag to each other and never get out there to use this gear ? going incredibly light simply for light weight bragging rights is ridiculous in its own right, considering the lack of comfort we impose on ourselves.
Going incredibly light to test ourselves offers a natural progression of the process.

Mary, I'm sorry if some have been rude to you.
As in all cases, please don't condemn an entire group for the trasngressions of a few.

and I guarantee you Hal and Mike did more hiking in their effort than running.

Edited by asandh on 08/06/2013 07:51:08 MDT.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 08:12:25 MDT Print View

I like how when averaging 2.6 mph, it is implied you cannot see or smell anything.
I don’t see how adding 40 pounds to your pack makes your experience better as now you can take it all in. They had 10 pounds on them, got 3 resupplies and only had company for the last 15 miles.
From their times, they probably did some speed a little over hiking and probably closer to a jog on the downs until they got to Vidette, but they basically hiked 90% of the distance just like anyone else does on the JMT. If they could have really run it all they would have done it in less than 48 hours. I've gone for this and the unsupported record on the JMT and the word "run" is nowhere on the itinerary.
They just didn’t need to give their hernia a break every 30 minutes (stopping to smell the roses).
I even enjoy hiking at night. Sure you miss some views but that is all the more reason to come back and do it the other direction or just be in those locations at times to take it all in.

Hal and Mike broke the supported record of Sue Johnston.
Brett Maune still has the unsupported record 3 days 14 hours 13 minutes.

Edited by awsorensen on 08/06/2013 08:24:14 MDT.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 08:16:00 MDT Print View

Sorry to hear about your hernia Aaron.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Re: Re: New JMT Speed Record on 08/06/2013 08:22:15 MDT Print View

I'm saying the hernia you would get from lugging around 50 pounds.
That's how you get to "see" the trail.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Or why... on 08/06/2013 08:37:25 MDT Print View

People find beauty in myriad ways. I think there's a certain beauty in pushing oneself to, and past, limits - both in the agony and anguish of failing to complete such an attempt (but not a failure to begin it....), and in the elation and meaningfulness of completing such an (inward and outward) journey. Spirit, endurance, will - beauty in it all.

It's too bad people think that you can only find/should only look for external beauty, there's lots of beauty inside each of us as well.

And yes, I even think some would find beauty in the fastest performance of Beethoven's 9th if done well - the technical prowess and ability to complete such a thing would be wonderful to some.

We all find beauty in different ways. It always makes me sigh a bit when we seemingly can't resist having to piss on someone else's parade because they see the world differently than we do. Tis a shame we can't simply appreciate the effort, even if we don't completely understand it or wouldn't be interested in doing it ourselves.