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Peter McDonough
(crazypete) - F

Locale: Above the Divided Line
FannyPack Ultralight on 06/05/2007 22:56:23 MDT Print View

Just thought I'd share a pic from my last trip--a paid seminar on ultralight backpacking that I run down in Texas. While I was getting the food at Wal-Mart, I saw this pack for $12 and immediately thought, "All my gear will fit in there!!" I now use it as a point of inspiration(and improbations) for those who carry 40 lb packs at the beginning of my course.

SUL with a fanny pack

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
re:FannyPack Ultralight!! on 06/06/2007 00:15:52 MDT Print View

Pete, all your gear for an overnighter will fit in there?! I think I could learn a thing or two from your gear list if you will post it please.

Peter McDonough
(crazypete) - F

Locale: Above the Divided Line
Re: re:FannyPack Ultralight!! on 06/06/2007 00:50:35 MDT Print View

Sure thing Brett

In Pack
(all weight in oz)

13 Thermarest Prolite 3 Short
0.5 One Liter Walmart sparkling water bottle
0.0 5 MP tabs(essentially weightless)
5.2 Homemade Bivy sack
5.1 Homemade spinnaker nylon poncho tarp
1.2 6 titanium stakes
0.3 1 titanium peg
0.2 2 6 foot sections Kelty Triptease
0.0 3 1 foot sections Aircore(essentially weightless)
1.5 First Aid Kit
4.2 Titan Kettle
0.2 Mini Bic lighter
0.2 alcohol stove
1.5 fuel
0.2 Pot stand
0.1 foil windscreen
0.5 tooth brush
0.5 Dr Bronners
0.5 Titanium Spork
2.8 Petzl Zipka plus
5.0 Midwieght synthetic base layer

Don't know how much the fanny pack weighs

Total Weight in Pack= 2.656 pounds or 2 lbs 10.5 oz

On body

EMS Guatmale shirt
EMS excursion shorts
OR sombrero
Walmart trekking poles(my ultralight ones were broken in the parking lot :( )
Liner socks
Walmart tennis shoes(My hiking shoes are at a friends house)
Supercool "Brainsucker" shades
PECK Knife
one MP tab

Food Carried
5 oz Beef Jerky
2 Curry Cashew Rice meals from Travel Light, Eat heavy book
2 granola bar
4 packages oatmeal
3 Crystal lite single serving drink mix
4 tortillas and moose goo

Edited by crazypete on 06/08/2007 15:42:03 MDT.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
Thanks Pete on 06/06/2007 01:05:11 MDT Print View

Thanks Pete, it's inspirational. I have been considering for a while how to get everything for an overnighter in to a large arcteryx fanny pack. Giving up a foam mattress might be tough, but maybe I can make room for a small inflatable.

carlos fernandez rivas
(pitagorin) - MLife

Locale: Galicia -Spain
unrealistic sleep system ¿? on 06/06/2007 01:28:20 MDT Print View

Nice kit......... but..

you sleep in shorts without sleeping bag?

it looks quite unrealistic ¿?

Edited by pitagorin on 06/06/2007 01:29:39 MDT.

Donna C
(leadfoot) - M

Locale: Middle Virginia
Re: unrealistic sleep system ¿? on 06/06/2007 03:43:28 MDT Print View

uhhh..where's the food?

Any matches or lighter?

Edited by leadfoot on 06/06/2007 03:45:38 MDT.

Gabriel August
(gaugust) - F

Locale: Penn's Woods
Re: Re: unrealistic sleep system ¿? on 06/06/2007 08:31:13 MDT Print View

looks ok for a day hike, but not much more than that. No food or bag?

Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: Re: Re: unrealistic sleep system ¿? on 06/06/2007 09:14:06 MDT Print View

Where I am, during the summer I could probably get by sleeping in just a bivy. Many times I end up sleeping on top of my sleeping bag anyway so leaving it behind wouldn't be a big deal here, YMMV by location. I realize this isn't possible for a good many of you in 'rougher' locale than I.

Food is a different story...

My brother has a large MS fanny pack that he uses for day hikes and had thought about using for overnighters. I don't think he's got around to that yet but I may borrow it from him and see if I can do it. I really don't think it would be that challenging to fit some stuff for an overnighter in it, especially if I did no-cook food. Now, if I could squeeze a weekend out of it... that would be a little bigger accomplishment. I'd love to see the look on people's faces as you pass them on the trail and tell them you're out for the weekend :D.


Robert Mohid
(mohid) - F
uhhh..where's the food? on 06/06/2007 11:37:12 MDT Print View

canibalism ...

Peter McDonough
(crazypete) - F

Locale: Above the Divided Line
Re: uhhh..where's the food? on 06/06/2007 12:39:09 MDT Print View

Ok, posted the rest of the gear I used, as well as the weights. I used this list for a weekend trip. Left Friday afternoon, at dinner at car, hiked in, hiked saturday, hiked sunday morning, got off trail around 3 and drove home.

I ran the trip as part of my ultralight backpacking class that I teach in South Texas.

The best parts about this trip.

Hot food.
Tasty drink mix.
The outright ridiculousness of having a fanny pack.
A decent light.

Edited by crazypete on 06/06/2007 12:43:17 MDT.

Ernie Elkins

Locale: North Carolina
Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 12:58:58 MDT Print View

I've often wondered about using a bivy and lightweight baselayer for summer sleeping. How well does this work for you?

Peter McDonough
(crazypete) - F

Locale: Above the Divided Line
Re: Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 13:18:22 MDT Print View


If it didn't work...I would no longer be using it.

Ernie Elkins

Locale: North Carolina
Re: Re: Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 13:45:17 MDT Print View

Sorry for the vague question. More specifically, what's the range of temperatures in which you feel reasonably comfortable zipped up in the bivy? In particular, I'm curious as to whether the bivy is tolerable on hot nights when you need protection from biting insects. I'm assuming it's topped with some type of DWR nylon -- does it get muggy, or does it breathe well enough to be tolerable?

Edited by EarthDweller on 06/06/2007 13:51:15 MDT.

Brian James
(bjamesd) - F

Locale: South Coast of BC
Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 14:13:11 MDT Print View


Edited by bjamesd on 06/06/2007 14:15:13 MDT.

Brian James
(bjamesd) - F

Locale: South Coast of BC
Re: Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 14:14:37 MDT Print View

I think there needs to be a handicapping system for base weights based on region! (I have had this in mind for awhile.)

When everyone posts their 3- and 4- and 5-lb base weights, I am always amazed. Not having traveled much, it's so hard for me to imagine some these gear lists keeping the user alive without the need for a lean-to and a giant fire! But I know there are places all over the US (and possibly somewhere in Canada too I suppose) where the air stays essentially at room temperature all night, there are no bugs, storms are rare, and a naked man with a pocket knife and two matches could probably have a very enjoyable hike!

In my neighborhood, I never hike anywhere in the backcountry where I don't have to be prepared for the reasonable *possibility* of one of the following conditions:

1) Mountain hiking: days near freezing, nights below freezing, wet snow or freezing rain plus fog possible any time or all the time 24 hours a day. Infinite insect density if the wind is below 10 knots. Large predatory grizzlies and medium-sized black bears; more than 1000 bears are destroyed per year in BC for various reasons including aggression towards humans. Bear predation on humans happens multiple times annually here and usually only makes it past local news if it's a tourist.

2) Coastal hiking: days near freezing, 100% humidity with blowing fog and constant rain varying in intensity from the instant you step out of your car to the instant you get back in. Walking in nothing but mud, slick mossy rocks, with significant falls due to terrain a frequent possibility.

Not trying to brag or say I'm some kind of tough hiker; I'm not. It's not often you'd be trapped for an entire week in a weather system like that. But everyone I hike with has similar stories.

We have incredible weather and incredible hiking up here too but we tend to pick our weather windows for hiking trips. Our mountain highways are posted with signs that say "Expect Severe Winter Weather Conditions Year-Round" and they're not kidding. I've come down from passes in 4wd in 6" of snow in mid-July and I've had to huddle beside the engine of my motorcycle to get my fingers moving again in an August snowstorm.

Apparently Ray's base weight was 12lbs when he got up to BC; I make gear lists that dip to 9 lbs but they give me the heebie jeebies. I wouldn't go out without a pound of bear spray and a 20* sleep system; last summer was the first time I went without a redundant set of dry clothes. Poncho tarps need not apply!

Anyway what's our base-weight handicap up here? I think that 3lbs would be fair. Or, conversely, should people insist that the worst expected conditions be described when a gear list is posted? :)

I'd love to know what Erin McKittrick's base weight is!

Jaiden .
(jaiden) - F
Re: Re: Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 18:01:23 MDT Print View

"I think there needs to be a handicapping system for base weights based on region! (I have had this in mind for awhile.)"

Let's make those darn SUL fair-weather-dwellers carry bricks!

(I'm jealous)

Peter McDonough
(crazypete) - F

Locale: Above the Divided Line
Re: Re: Re: Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/06/2007 23:00:10 MDT Print View

Well...I suppose.

But for the conditions you describe, I only need a few more items and I am still below five pounds. And I'm carrying a Therma-rest... :D

In response to the bivy and sleep system question: the bivy and baselayer take me to about 55 degrees.

When the temperature doesn't dip belwow 80 degrees it can become quite uncomfortable---which is why for those conditions I bring a slightly heavier net tent(weight 6 oz), instead of the usual bivy. On this trip the temp did not drop below 60 at night.

Donna C
(leadfoot) - M

Locale: Middle Virginia
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/07/2007 05:01:12 MDT Print View

would you happen to know the size of the fanny pack in cu.or liters? Because it could be do-able if it's equivalent to any of the other SUL/UL packs. Just have to pack a bit differently. My only concern for myself is that carrying just a liter bottle for water wouldn't get me thru a hot day, especially if the water sources are far and few between. But for others, I think it's great. I guess I could carry a camelback on my back along with the fanny pack....hmmmm...but would that defeat the entire thing?

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/07/2007 07:44:20 MDT Print View

I've always enjoyed playing with making these ultra-Spartan kits just to see what can be accomplished. I think they have more value for survival kits than actual hiking trips. I agree with others that this makes a great day hiking kit, providing good emergency backup.

The fact that the author is running UL seminars and doesn't know the weight of the fanny pack raises an eyebrow. I know from my own experience that those cheap fanny packs are loaded with heavy PU coated fabric, zippers, and Delrin fittings and are usually as heavy as a larger UL backpack. Fanny packs have their limitations to load and body type too: I'm fine with a lightly loaded one but with anything more than a few ounces, they won't stay put. In my own experience, the "stuff sack with shoulder straps" designs like the REI Flash are much more practical.

I look at gear lists with an eye to "three season North America" as a rule of thumb for evaluation. For me that means full rain coverage and temperatures down to freezing. Flat/open tarp systems require a bivy bag (or a bivy suitable for stnad-alone use), ground cover and insulation are necessary, and hygiene, first aid and all the accepted survival essentials must be covered. Anything less than that makes for an interesting exercise, but wouldn't be a realistic kit for the back country.

On the other hand, I think cookless menus are perfectly acceptable for overnight trips. Clothing can be dialed in for the season with an eye to some extra insulation. Coming back a little smelly and dirty is part of an overnighter with a minimal kit --- a big grin in a dirty, tanned face.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: FannyPack Ultralight on 06/07/2007 09:38:42 MDT Print View

Not for me. I think there is a balance somewhere between "packing 80 lbs for Denali" when one is just going on a summer weekender -- versus packing only for the best case scenario! OP's system will work well if he can guarantee no rains and no temperature drops...

We all have our own "sweet spot" where pack weight is light enough for us to truly enjoy our hikes. Whacking down much below that returns only ever-diminishing benefits. To continue whacking down to the point where one is dependent on a perfect scenario where nothing can go wrong -- is neither smart nor rational risk/benefit exchange...

To me, the psychic benefit of bragging rights is highly overrated. Just my two cents.