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ke wu
(asidesign) - F

Locale: Block seven
Re: Re: Fosters BB DIY - Weight = 2.2oz!!! on 07/24/2007 11:07:21 MDT Print View

Hi~Dan, You are absolutely right!
The main component of biomass gasification is carbon monoxide, its moving direction is upward, cannot sink and then comes out from the upper side hole.
Nearly all camping biomass gasification stove should be called hot air assistant combustion stove, I suggested use this kind of word.

Edited by asidesign on 07/24/2007 11:13:14 MDT.

Derek Goffin
(Derekoak)

Locale: North of England
Re: Re: English homemade tincan stove on 07/26/2007 09:22:28 MDT Print View

It is fragile but useable. I believe it will survive actual use but might get damaged when packed away. I pack it tightly with other telescoped bits of my wood stove so it is stiffened. If you just packed the pot the top edge which has no rim would be vulnerable. If you had a use for the top of the can you might be able to pack both bits together like I do that would help.
Having no rim it is a problem lifting it off when boiling as a pot gripper does not work. I made one work by weaving a bit of bicycle spoke, in the right place to act as a rim for the gripper to grip.
I got the can imported from Japan from an English importer www.MountFugi.co.uk Asahi super dry 2L giant can. I believe there is a Japanese 3l aluminium beer can that we cannot get in England

Chris Jackson
(chris_jackson) - F
Re: Re: Re: English homemade tincan stove on 07/26/2007 21:38:15 MDT Print View

Derek, thankyou for the information about the UL pot. Very helpful!

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: cutting the beer can on 05/18/2008 06:55:09 MDT Print View

I just made one of these the other day and found a great way to cut the top off the can.

I used an ordinary hand held can opener designed to cut off the can top. i positioned it so that the cutting edge was just below the can lip against the can body and the gear that propels it was resting on the can top. it made a perfect cut in only 2 passes going slow and pressing soft. then i used scissors to cut the can to the proper dimensions.

I have done it with a razor in the past and found it took a very long time, this was fast and easy!

mark henley
(flash582) - F
Re: Re: cutting the beer can on 05/18/2008 07:33:32 MDT Print View

I did the same thing, but I took a pair of needle nose pliers and folded over the sharp edge just a touch after cutting, making a nice edge to drink from.

Adam Kilpatrick
(oysters) - MLife

Locale: South Australia
Re: Re: Re: cutting the beer can on 05/18/2008 17:59:37 MDT Print View

Dont know if you guys have tupperware in the US, but here in Aus they have a really great can opener that takes the top off and the seam, leaving no sharp edges on either. It may work.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: DIY BB aka Gasified Wood Stove on 05/20/2008 16:05:04 MDT Print View

i made a few of these beer buddies now and i really like them. I've made them out of both fosters and hienie cans and the hienie feels like it will last longer. The other thing i changed was the pat stand/wind screen. I made one like Steve'sY68VB and it worked pretty good, but i made another with no holes around most of it and a few holes and a larger fuel loading hole on one side. this allowed me to add fuel without removing the pot and helped in the wind since it was coming in from all sides.

THESE SURE ARE FUN TO PLAY WITH!!

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
thanks! just made my protype on 10/20/2009 01:27:17 MDT Print View

So, I built one of these today.

I built it more for fun then to cook with.

I like a campfire. In the summer the smoke keeps the bugs away. It provides light and in the winter warmth.

Thing is I don't like burning large amounts of firewood. It's wasteful and hard to collect.

Since I also do some stealth camping I also can't usually make fires where I'm camping. Even if I can do it descretely I leave behind a fire ring which is pretty hard to hide. This is contrary to leave no trace ethics that I hold in high regard, especially when stealth camping.

I figured with a woodgas stove I can build a fire quickly in a wide variety of conditions and fuel it on very little wood for quite a while.

What finally set me off was Ryan Jordan's post about his Bushbuddy.

http://www.ryanjordan.com/weblog/2007/05/lamentation_of_.html

I won't quote it here but it's a great short read.

Every time I saw a shag bark hickory tree it reminded me of Ryan's post. Shag bark is an amazing fuel source as it burns suprisingly hot and long. It also smells great and is common in SE Michigan.

So, how'd the protype turn out?

Wow... for the most part it's great.

It's amazing how it switches over from smoking to smokeless once the top holes ignight the gasses.

Still my protype while better then expected seems to get clogged up pretty quick. My thinking is that the internal can needs more holes. And upon inspectng the original post I can see a single row or double row of holes around the bottom sides of the internal can. I only have them in the bottom in my protype.

Anything that can get more airflow through the internal can has to be a good thing.

I thought their needed to be a big hole in the bottom for ashes to fall out, but now that I've used it I realize it produces so little ash it would take several hours for the bottom of the outer can to fill enough to obscure the air holes.

In fact the full bottom makes it easy to quick light the stove with a little alchohol, which is my prefered cooking fuel. I use it with a tiny little side jet alchohol stove made out of a aluminum Budweiser bottle based off a Mini Bull Designs stove. Great stove.

I did an initial test boiling water but quickly melted the cylinderical pot support made out of a piece of spare can with lots of holes. I have some heavier aluminum I'll try next, but for me it's not about the cooking.

Am also still a little concerned about crushing the stove in my pannier bag, but it otherwise is extremely light and packs well in spare drawstring sack I had lying around.

Oh, it's suprisingly fairly clean. Sure it produces soot if I were to cook on it, but as I'm not cooking any remenent of soot remains on the inside while the outside remains clean.

All in all I think it's going to be a great tool this winter for camping in the snow and extreme cold.

I am curious if there have been any new improvements on this design or any newer designs... i.e. with a sturdier Hieneken can.

BTW, Thanks for posting!

Keith Selbo
(herman666) - F - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
Improvements on 10/20/2009 08:46:18 MDT Print View

I use a wind screen, looks like original poster does too, at least at times. It probably adds about half an ounce to the weight, but performance in the wind improves markedly. Not many people use one though. Extra holes improve performance somewhat, but adding a fan cuts the boil time in half. Depends on whether you want to be fast or light I guess.

Edited by herman666 on 10/20/2009 08:51:11 MDT.

Frank Deland
(rambler)

Locale: On the AT in VA
another MYO wood stove on 10/20/2009 16:16:53 MDT Print View

Nice job and pictures, Steve.

Using new, but empty paint cans available at Home Depot here is another easy and efficient stove. You do not have to keep adding fuel to keep it going.

http://trailgear.org/

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
internal can fractured on 10/25/2009 13:15:53 MDT Print View

First, my stove is based as near to possible to the authors original design with a fosters can and bean can.

It's not a huge deal but the internal can fractured and fell off.

Ironically it fractured above the air holes I drilled in the bottom sides. Meaning they were not the week point.

Not sure if this will be a repeated problem but I'm going to continue to experiment with the design.

My big problem with this design is still the airflow problem. Since I'm not using it for cooking I'd like it to burn for prolonged periods of time with as little maintenance as possible.

When it's fairly newly lit and hasn't yet clogged with ash I can put quite large sticks in about the diameter of a quarter and it'll burn them surprisingly well. In fact better then small sticks. It only requires 3-4 of these larger sticks to produce a good flame for prolonged periods.

I suspect they burn well because of the focused heat of the stove design and large amounts of airflow around them which is impeded when you fill the can with smaller sticks.

What's more though I can't break these sticks down very small I can leave them hang out as much as six inches and they slowly settle as they burn.

The problem is it does start to clog eventually, airflow is restricted and the fire starts to smolder instead of burning hot and clean.

BTW, it's important to note that when you leave larger sticks poking out the top they are at least impeding the gasification process a little as they block the holes around the top. Thus they increase the smoke a little.

This is an acceptable trade off for me since I'm not using it as a cooking stove. Being able to use quite large sticks increases the burn time and lowers the maintenance a lot.

O ther things of note.


1) the bottom of the stove doesn't get to hot allowing the stove to be used on a picnic table with very minimal marking.

2) the stove is a little top heavy and tips over a little easy, though not disastrously. A few big rocks around it can help steady it. Obviously this is because I'm using larger sticks.

3) The stove doesn't radiate much heat out away from the can, just up. Meaning it's not great as a warming fire. Unfortunately the vertical structure is the key to getting air to flow up through the can.

4) The heat around the top of the can is pretty intense and focused... which is probably what makes it great for cooking. I find that placing a large stick or two across the top of the can that are to long to fit in it or break by hand works well. It actually seems to intensify the ossification process and quickly burns the stick through enough it can be easily snapped. This process of breaking down and burning larger sticks seems to be a great process for burning the stove long and hot... which is probably why the internal can cracked. It's possible to quickly produce an abundance of six inch sticks of 1" to 1.5" in diameter that can burn for hours and hours.


So, I think what I'm going to try next in no particular order.

1) experiment with a computer fan to increase airflow on this or another design.. Brush Buddy inspired

2) make the entire bottom half or 1/3 of the internal can absolutely full of holes to increase airflow

3) possibly leave a big gaping hole in the bottom of the internal can so that more ash falls through (if a tiny bit of still burning wood).

4) make the outer can out of a Heineken can so it's stronger.


P.S. It has occurred to me that I don't necessarily need a woodgas stove if I'm not using it for cooking. Am thinking I might try the Nimble Will Portable flat pack stove design for potentially better radiant heat... but not until I'm finished experimenting with this design.

Edited by mmeiser on 10/25/2009 13:18:10 MDT.

John Roan
(JRoan) - MLife

Locale: Vegas
cone shaped version of gasifier wood stove on 10/25/2009 16:29:27 MDT Print View

I made several versions of this, but was never satisfied because all needed too much attention to keep burning. I finally settled on this copy cat version of a TD Caldera Ti-Tri Inferno, made from titanium foil and weighing in at 2.15oz...

MYOG Ti-Tri 06

...more details at this link;

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=25085&skip_to_post=205299#205299

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
results of my ongoing experiments with this design on 11/04/2009 20:09:31 MST Print View

Have had a chance to experiment quite a bit with this design.

When I started I was just planning on using this as a winter heat source, however my last two experiments have produced some rather amazing results.

My current version now uses a tiny 12-volt computer fan at 6-volts and produces both tremendous heat and a good movement of air.

Basically the thing is like a heat gun.

Bloody amazing.

Because of the fan it now burns extremely hot, clean and consistently particularly when material becomes charcolized. The fan keeps the charcol materials red hot producing tremendous heat with no visible flames and absolutely no smoke.

Seriously... it becomes *absolutely sootless*

As long as you use dry wood of course.

It's hard to believe so I will continue to test it.

I haven't done boil tests yet but I expect they'll be very fast. Maybe rivaling iso-butane stoves like the Jet Boil.

The only negative is this sootless mode does require some time to burn down some good materials into charcol/ embers.

I find the bigger the materials... ie. 1" or 1.5" sticks the better they charcolize and the longer they'll burn as charcol.


What I found most interesting though is i could stuff (and I do mean stuff) a bunch of leaves into the stove and after smoking a whole lot, then flaring up a whole lot the leaves would become charred and produce a tremendous amount of heat for as much as 10-15 minutes with little to no smoke.

They reminded me of a mantle on the old Coleman propane lamps.

That is as long as you didn't throw anything in on top of these charcolized leaves they'd continue to burn for extended periods of time.

However if you did throw something in on top of them they would collapse into a fine powder and go out.

That said this may in fact be the quickest way to get to a clean near sootless cooking fire.

It's unbelieveable how long and hot these leaves would burn but I think I'd still prefer to cook over some much bigger chunks of charcolized wood.


Other things of note.

1) I put in a double row of hole punch holes as close together as possible around the top of the inner burn chamber.

This not only produces tremendous effective gasification (a wall of flame instead of just jets) but also in combination with the fan seems to move a lot more air in general making it a nice warming fire instead of just a nice cooking fire.

2) I put a lot more holes in the bottom of the internal can/ burn chamber. In fact I completely removed the center 1.5" of the can bottom. I then drilled holse all around this, and used a can opener to open up large triangular holes all around the bottom walls of the internal.

In my non-fan tests I actually had three rows of holes around the bottom of the internal can beause it would fill up with ash and clog. However with the fan small particulate seems to burn more quickly and thouroughly so te stove is less likely to clog with ash.

3) I switced to a heinken can.

The Heineken can holds up much better to packing and the additional heat caused by te addition of the fan.

4) How I mounted the fan.

I basically cut a 2"x2" square hole in the side of the outer can wall and then used a bit of aluminum flashing coiled into a cylinder to both hold my fan and channel the air into the wood gas stove.


5) Inner can still cracks

BTW, still having problems with the inner can flaking / cracking and eventually breaking. I may have to come up with a different alternative burn chamber.

6) Batteries

The tiny little CPU fan is 12-volts, but I am only using it with 6-volts. Specifically I'm just running it off my battery pack for my headlamp.

Have not done efficiency tests yet but I suspect te drain on my headlamp battery is negligible.


All in all my experiments have been a huge success. Though I'm still looking for ways to make a stove that packs smaller (i.e. flat pack) I've come to realize that this stove might well be able to function as both a cooking stove and heat source simply by how I use or don't use the fan.

What's next:

I intend to go through a few more iterations before posting pictures and documentation. Mostly I want to refine my craftsmanship (protypes are rudimentary), but I also want to try a 9-volt battery and see if I can't come up wit any oter improvements.

Pictures and videos to come.

Keith Selbo
(herman666) - F - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
Re: results of my ongoing experiments with this design on 11/05/2009 21:08:08 MST Print View

I made my fire box out of paper thin titanium (0.005") from TI Goat. It's had countless fires in it. No sign of cracking or flaking. It's amazing stuff.

I'm using a 5 volt, 1.5 W fan rated at 10 CFM. I think it's way more than is necessary. I plan to try one with half that power next summer. Even so, it uses very little power. Conservatively, I can run it for 2 hours on my 2 AA NIMH cells and voltage booster.

I only use the fan until I get a boil. Then I turn it off. The natural draft is more than enough to keep a simmer going and it simmers longer without the forced draft.

I get a boil almost twice as fast as without the fan. It's not quite as fast as a canister stove, but it's close.

Looking forward to the pics and videos.

Edited by herman666 on 11/05/2009 21:10:28 MST.

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: results of my ongoing experiments with this design on 11/06/2009 07:41:41 MST Print View

"I only use the fan until I get a boil. Then I turn it off. The natural draft is more than enough to keep a simmer going and it simmers longer without the forced draft."

What kind of boil times do you get?

I'm honestly hoping I'll be able to boil about 16oz of fluid (half a Heineken can pot) in just a few minutes.

As mentioned I was definitely not expecting this stove to be practical (clean enough or hot enough) to be useable as anything more then a winter heat source. That said using forced air has blown away my expectations of how clean these things can burn and your above discription is exactly how I'm now hoping to use my stove.

I'm an alcool fan and a tiny bit of alcohol seems to get it off to a good, clean, fast and hot start with the fan which may allow me to cook on it immediately with no priming. (Just beginning to play with it.)

Voltage and flow:

I've run the 12-volt CPU fan on 6-volt and 9-volt. I don't think it takes much air volume at all. The 9-volt may be to much. Indeed with the 9-volt it started throwing sparks everywhere.

No idea whatsoever how much it flows in CFM.

I may one day actually put a dial on it to adust the flow and heat, but right now it's to early to speculate where this will go.

I am hoping btw, I can get MUCH more then two hours burn time.

I would have expected your fan to be more efficient, but I must say... my CPU fan, which I didn't think was very efficient still sounds much more efficient then your fan.

Perhaps yours is much bigger and produces much more flow then I'm picturing.


Am just about to post pictures.

Going on an overnight touring trip tomorrow and may take it as my only stove. The only thing left I have to do is create a pot holder on the top and do some testing with my Heineken can pot.

I love the my Heineken can pot as I have wrapped the whole middle section in fiberglass wicking/ insulation and can easily firmly grasp it with one hand even when boiling hot.

It's not yet good for drinking out of because I haven't figured out how to put an insulative lip or outward rolled edge on it. But it is nice to eat out of.

The only problem i've had with it is it doesn't boil or heat as fast as a wide bottom pot... meaning more fuel spent. The woodgas stove changes this equation though as I no longer need to worry about every ouce of fuel.


Packing:

I'm starting to realize if I can find the right size pot (hopefully a snowpeak titanium) I may be able to practically store the whole stove perfectly inside it so it packs compactly and well protected.

(Yes, this is to imply it's a little delecate in the pack.)

Taking into account the fact that I would no longer need to carry any fuel this makes it about half the size... maybe less then any other cook kit I've had. Even smaller then my ISO butane cook kit.

Not to mention lighter.

It's just unfortuneate that I can't store a Heineken can stove in a Heineken can pot. :( I thought about spliting one side of the stove so it can ingest the pot, but I just don't think I can make it latch together strong enough after that.

This idea that a wood stove setup could actually pack up smaller then an ISO butane setup is going to take some getting my head around.

Right now though I don't have the right pot to store my Heineken can stove in so I'll be carrying two separate little packages.


UPDATE: crap, never posted this. Sorry, running out the door.

protype: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2/4078664881/

Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2/4079433096/

finished product:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2/4078664649/

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: Re: results of my ongoing experiments with this design on 11/06/2009 07:44:05 MST Print View

sorry for the lack of proofreading

Keith Selbo
(herman666) - F - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
Re: Re: Re: results of my ongoing experiments with this design on 11/06/2009 10:09:54 MST Print View

I was able to boil a liter of 20 C water in a broad pan in 5.9 minutes. I think any inefficiency in my fan is due to the fact that I'm moving much more air than is necessary with my 1.5Watt fan. It creates so much surplus heat that the plastic insulation I put on the lid of my pot melted inwards about an inch.

From what I've read, about half a Watt would be sufficient. That would give me six hours of run time on the battery.

I don't care about soot on the pot. I pack my pot in a plastic grocery bag. The pot gets very sooty because I turn off the fan once I have a boil.

Click here to view the thread on my fan setup. That's a two liter pot. I cook for two.

Edited by herman666 on 11/06/2009 10:37:55 MST.

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: Re: Re: results of my ongoing experiments with this design on 11/25/2009 13:23:31 MST Print View

I concur on the fan power.

I don't know how many watts it is but I'm using a 12 volt microprocessor fan. It's as small as they come. Furthermore I'm running it at either 6 or 9volts. At nine volts it's to much for te fosters can. 6-volts is more then plenty.

What I notice is these tiny round little wood gas stoves are extremely efficient with air.

In my tests I've made muc larger wood gas versions and made them square as well.

They were nowhere near as responsive to the little fan.

Furthermore i have no complaints about the heat of these small 32oz beer can wood gas stoves or their burn times.

I have therefore gone back to a much smaller sizes and embraced the round size.

Something else I've noticed. Though the outer walls can be made of anything canned good cans make absolutely superb burn chambers. I think it's because of their corugated side. It seems to really really generate a lot of heat both in the burn chamber and superheat the air.

What's more I like using them as a burn chamber becuase you can throw them out and make a superb new burn chamber with a can opener and the appropriate size canned good in a matter of minutes.

I may... may... use one in my final design, or at least design the stove around a standard can size so you can optionally use a bean can.

BTW, have read your thread multiple times... great design.