After hearing that podcast on doing denali light, I've become quite interested in the Stephensen 2x warmlite tents for big mountains. Are they really that much more wind resistant/stable than my Big Anges Seedhouse SL tent which I'm quite happy with?

Also what's with their catalog? Anyone look at it? Has a bunch of nude girls in it. At least their attractive but still... very weird!

Yes, their tents are that much stronger and liveable in high mtn. conditions than your B.A.----tried and tested in numerous mtneering expeditions.


As for their catalog---it's been a fixture in the outdoor community for decades----enjoy (or not).

Has anyone tried out their down air mattress? I'm thinking about purchasing one and I've found only limited info on the internet, especially on their durability. I've been using CC foam and I'm looking for a more comfortable alternative. I've tried out a couple of the Thermorest pads and I didn't really like them, I prefer a wider pad.
Thanks...Ron

Check the review on the Exped Downmat in the reader reviews.

I've heard excellent things about the warmlite's wind resistance, but bad things about it's snow loading capacity.

In general, all gothic arch designs don't fare well under lots of snow.

The answer to snowloading is the 3rd pole option available on their tents. An option on 3R and larger tents and special request on the 2.

And as I'm mentioning options, the Side windows rock for unparalleled ventilation.

For the original poster, the R series tents are stronger and more versatile and not much heavier than the X series.

Edited by kdesign on 06/05/2007 13:32:54 MDT.

I've heard that the Stephenson's manual requires you to pitch the tent with something like 60lbs of tension. Most people either don't read the manual or don't know how to really tension a pitch, and then they have problems with snow loading.

I heard...

I have a 2R with 2 side windows. Great in strong winds, but be sure it is set up correctly and you will have no problems. I do not know about the snow load. There is plenty of room.

I am wondering about a couple of things with these warmlites.

1st, how well built are they, will they stand up to years of use?

Will sleeves fit more than one set of poles?

I am guessing from their website that the small inner is built in. Does this get soaked packed in your pack in wet conditions?

Is the R really that much stronger than an X, when the windstabilisers are added? Unless it is structurally integral to the tent I dont see how it would be, assuming all other parts of the tent are much the same.

How is insect proofing if you dont have an R and its inner? Are there mesh doors seperating the main tent and the vestibles? I would go the X as long as it will keep out mozzies and leeches.

Cheers,

Adam

Adam, Stephenson tents used pre-curved hollow poles cut in precise sections that gain their strength when connected and tensioned. You can not nor do you need to put multiple sets of poles through the sleeves.

The tents are manufactured from parachute fabric, so how tough is that? The Stephenson’s have been perfecting there tents since the 1970’s.

Wind stabilizers are a separate issue for the tent regardless of the model and are for extreme wind conditions. I know of no strength difference between the X and R models other than weight and greater condensation on the X depending on conditions.

There is no separate insect screen on the front door on the 2R or doors of the 3R, there are double zippers however. Be that as it may your side windows are fully meshed if you order that option. There are no mesh separations in the tent.

Do a forum search under Stephenson 2R and you will see pictures of my 2R and 3R and my review of my 2R versus my Hilleberg Unna. You can tension up to 60 pounds on the stakes for the worst conditions to keep the tent as tight as a drum.

There have been negative posts about Stephenson tents from individuals who did not understand how to pitch them properly or never owned or used one, so I would take those with a grain of salt. There may be reasons not to own a Stephenson, but not because they flap in the wind or collapse inward during the night. Send for the video put out by the Stephenson’s’ on their tents. It was very helpful in my final decision.

Nary a negative word from me on the use of my 2X over the past 8 years. I've been in high winds and heavy rain and have never had a problem. I have not used the interios wind stabilizers. No experience with snow loads, but I cannot imagine it doing poorly if used correctly.

As Kevin mentioned...the windows are killer for ventilation control.

I've never had a problem pitching the tent. You can adjust the tension from the INTERIOR so as long as your stakes are bomber you should not have any issues with tensioning the canopy even through severe temperature/moisture changes.

Pre-curved poles are easy to pack, and are far superior in terms of strength and reduced weight.

Despite looking 'homemade' the tent is sewn fine. Never had a stitch pull, fray, or loosen.

Admittedly when I unpacked it (~8 yrs ago) I was a bit miffed at what I had just paid for, but...after 8 yrs of use I have nothing to complain about. Dive in and enjoy.

I said the R tents are stronger because as far as I know, the options that add quite a bit of strength such as the wind stabilizers and the mid pole are only available on the R's. More versatile in that they are more condensation free over a much wider range of conditions. I think the "weight penalty" is tiny over the X models to gain these advantages and features.

If I got a Stephenson Tent today, I would instead order from their new C model tents. They're a couple of feet shorter and this aids in pitching the tent in a smaller area. The regular length models sprawl over quite a bit of real estate.

The 3 series is always a big temptation because of all the room. Backcountry party, anyone?
Heh, guys----Stephenson is currently having a 10% off sale on the tents.

Edited by kdesign on 06/06/2007 20:05:02 MDT.

I am wondering,

some very reputable expedition strength tent manufacturers, such as Macpac (New Zealand) use precurved tent poles of the highest calibre aswell, yet they still make their tents to accept a second set of poles for extreme conditions. The Macpac olympus, for example, has been around for about 25yrs I think, its a three hooped tunnel, and has this option. It is significantly heavier than and equivalent Stephenson though.

Despite the obvious strength of these Stephenson tents from your comments guys, I might have to skip them if they arent bug proof. I am thinking of getting one for Tasmania (Island state of Aus) but in some areas of Tas (usually slightly lower altitudes) leeches are a problem. And I cannot stand them. Without a leech/insect proof tent you would get dozens all over you at night.

I think I might just have to go for a pyramid for a lightweight bombproof tent. The main problem then is on tent platforms as they are not as free standing.

Thanks for comments guys-and that Catalogue sure is quirky!

Adam-

Are the Macpac Tent Poles a larger diameter tubing like the Stephensons? My 2X uses a large diameter, thin walled tube for the larger (front) hoop, and a regular diameter tubing for the rear.

As far as bug proof, I've not had any issues with insect entry, although admittedly I have not had to deal with leeches...

Brian

I've used the Stephenson tents in the BWCA and have not had any bug problems.

I've used the Stephenson tents in the BWCA and have not had any bug problems.

I gotta ask .... which months in the BWCAW?

Edited by jcolten on 06/07/2007 13:35:32 MDT.

June, July and August. There were plenty of bugs but I never had a problem with them in the tent. My wife backpacks frequently on the Superior hiking trail and finds
the tent bugproof also.

July and August in the BWCA. However my wife does the Superior hikng trail in May and July every year. There have
been plenty of bugs but not in the tent. We have the side vent panels so it helps for ventilation.

I thru-hiked the SHT in May 2005 with a tarp and bivy. No bugs then. (My apologies if this post is taking the thread off topic but I LOVE and am a HUGE proponent of anything and everything SHT).

I live in Duluth and I've just begun to start seeing any amount of bugs. I've been up the Shore on three weekends this Spring and I saw more rain and snow than I did heat or bugs.