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Steven Davis
(StevenDavisPhoto) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
My first UL stove? on 07/25/2013 20:47:30 MDT Print View

So right now I have the Jetboil Sol, which is great, but I'm looking to get as light as possible. I just bought the Snow Peak 600 "Hot Lips" Mug (3oz) and the guy at REI told me I can use it with a stove. What would be super light and durable? I am considering the Esbit stove...

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/titanium-esbit-wing-stove.html#.UfHiZmSgml8

It weighs less than an ounce and seems like it would work perfectly with my mug.

Thoughts?

tt quattro
(ttquattro) - F
Alcohol Stove on 07/25/2013 20:50:19 MDT Print View

I've come around to using a simple cat food can stove. Super light and the fuel is readily available.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
re: UL stove on 07/25/2013 20:53:53 MDT Print View

Alcohol and esbit stoves are super light, but be aware that in many parts of the western USA they are banned during high fire danger, and you will need to either use your Jetboil (or another lighter canister stove) or just take cold food.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: My first UL stove? on 07/25/2013 20:53:53 MDT Print View

I use a half-ounce titanium Esbit wing stove with a 1.8 ounce Snowpeak titanium bowl.

--B.G.--

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 07/25/2013 20:57:41 MDT Print View

Esbit is good for fast and light trips. My whole cook kit weighs 3.5 ounces. Take how many tabs you plan to use. I use coghlans tabs.

Steven Davis
(StevenDavisPhoto) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
Re: re: UL stove on 07/25/2013 21:01:48 MDT Print View

do the rangers actually check what stoves you're using?

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
First UL stove on 07/25/2013 21:21:53 MDT Print View

The way funding is now you'll be lucky to see a ranger, but it's best to comply with the guidelines/rules just in case. It's not worth a fine.:-P

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 07/25/2013 21:23:40 MDT Print View

Interesting how we call esbit esbit even though we mean solid fuel hexamine. Some products are just that way such as Windex.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: My first UL stove? on 07/25/2013 21:43:03 MDT Print View

Steven, keep in mind that when you start using a really light stove fuel -efficiency becomes a much more important issue. Your jetboil to take one example, or at least the Ti version, will actually become a lighter option after a certain number of un-supplied days, depending on how much you cook. So for a long trip an Al stove may not even be the lightest option, even were it to weight nothing at all. Just some food for thought.

Edited by millonas on 07/25/2013 21:45:02 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re mark on 07/25/2013 21:53:14 MDT Print View

I agree if the trip is going to be long I will take my canister stove, its enjoyable.

But for weekend type trips I have a hard time justifying lugging around a metal slug.

Steven Davis
(StevenDavisPhoto) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
yep on 07/25/2013 22:02:18 MDT Print View

yeah, cuz fuel adds up when you need a 1/2 oz tablet for every heated meal. thats an oz per day or so. still, i dont plan on going on any long trips for a while. still getting used to backpacking.

is there any article on here that covers all the types of stoves and the pros/cons of each type?

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
Zeiph's on 07/25/2013 22:07:42 MDT Print View

I'd pair a Zelph's StarLyte stove with a suluk 46 windscreen if you want a fun, user friendly UL setup for your 600 mug (probably a size small windscreen). Esbit is nice, but alcohol is more fun to tinker with, and it sounds like that's what you're looking to do right now. Plus Esbit, er um hex amine, will probably gunk up your nice new SP 600 a bit. Horses and courses and all that. When it comes down to it, they are all light, uber light. But Alcohol is fun. It's silent, you light it, go do chores around camp and return 6 or 8 minutes later to your boiing water.

Also, not the lightest you can get but over time they add weight savings in efficiency - also works with both Alcohol and with Esbit - try a Trail Designs caldera cone sized for your SP 600 with either the Trail Designs 12-10 stove or the aforementioned Zelph's.

Edited by bcutlerj on 07/25/2013 22:09:27 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
suluk on 07/25/2013 22:10:31 MDT Print View

Suluk46 has a complete esbit/ alcohol setup, if I didnt already have one id like this one.

Super light at 1.59oz.

suluk46

Steven Davis
(StevenDavisPhoto) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
thx on 07/25/2013 22:12:03 MDT Print View

Thanks Brian. I just want something that is light and good for 3-5 day trips. Right now my JB is 17 oz and I need to cut that down. Base weight for summer backpacking is down to 9.28 lbs, so I'm getting there :P

Steven Davis
(StevenDavisPhoto) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
Re: suluk on 07/25/2013 22:12:53 MDT Print View

found here...

http://www.suluk46.com/products%20%20-%20P13%20TEA%20System.html

looks cool. but how do u prevent it from getting crushed???

Edited by StevenDavisPhoto on 07/25/2013 22:16:27 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
suluk on 07/25/2013 22:16:10 MDT Print View

Shaving a pound off of cook kit must feel nice:)

Steven Davis
(StevenDavisPhoto) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
canister? on 07/25/2013 22:29:37 MDT Print View

what about this 1.9oz stove on top of a 3.5 oz fuel canister, with the 3 oz SP 600 mug thats only 8.4 oz for a canister setup?

http://www.snowpeak.com/litemax-titanium-stove-gst-120.html

seems i wouldnt need a wind screen with that. might be the best mix of light weight and durability.

obviously an esbit/alcohol stove might be better for 2-3 day trips than this, but what do u guys think?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: canister? on 07/25/2013 22:38:30 MDT Print View

You can only slightly beat the 1.9 ounce stove weight with a Gnat (about 1.65 ounces). Then you can use simple aluminum foil for a windscreen if you have mild conditions.

Remember that the 3.5 ounce butane fuel has an empty canister weight plus the fuel weight.

I've used Esbit for six or seven days, and it works fine as long as the conditions are mild.

--B.G.--

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
Re: canister? on 07/26/2013 16:33:39 MDT Print View

I have a lite max and I really like it. That said, the Giga-Power is cheaper (especially used) and a more robust stove. I prefer its pot supports, and the brass that attaches to the canister. The Lite Max is aluminum, and could be cross threaded resulting in fuel leaks if you're not careful with it. The Giga Power is just about bullet proof, but it is 2 ounces or so heavier. I thought my Lite Max weighs 1.6. I'll have to check. 1.9 sounds high. Did SP change the design? Kovea has some under 2 oz. stoves like the Gnat and LiteMax that look nice too. Probably a little cheaper.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Suluk 46 on 07/26/2013 22:30:05 MDT Print View

I bought this stove and I could barely boil water in my garage in 20degrees celcius with it!! I tried all sorts of alcohol stoves and esbit to boil the water but only managed hot water. I thought jees I'd have no chance in freezing weather then.

Then upon closer inspection of the inner ti ring (not the outer windshield) I noticed there is only holes in the bottom part of the sheeting not the top. I put in 4 holes at the top but got sidetracked with work and couldn't get back to it for a bit. Here is the problem....I left water in the alu container and it reacted with the aluminium and ate some holes in it. Stuffed!! I haven't been able to try my new pot stand and looks like I am up for a new pot as well!!

Back to the drawing board....again.