Leaving the rain jacket at home... thoughts
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jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
eVent jacket on 07/26/2013 11:23:39 MDT Print View

I carry eVent or Gore-Tex jacket on every trip - versitile.

Keeps me warm down to 40 F or even 30 F. I almost never go on a trip where it won't get down into 40s. Also good if windy. Here in PNW even in summer.

Occasionally I'll go on a trip where 0% chance of rain, but I can think of one such trip where it rained so good I had jacket.

Tanner M
(Tan68)
Re: "Essentials" on 07/26/2013 11:28:46 MDT Print View

Although everyone thought Anthony Hopkins was a bit eccentric in The Edge, he was prepared. The others that had chuckled were left feeling foolish.

Orr practiced his skills in Catch-22. They all thought he was a bit nuts. His practice paid off.

Sounds like you have a trim kit and have put thought into it.

In general and not to you, no one should ever be made to feel self conscious for taking things they believe will help them. There are ways to provide additional information or help them develop experience without making them feel foolish.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
10 essentials and other dogma on 07/26/2013 11:41:31 MDT Print View

In mountains I almost always have some sort of rain protection. In deserts I usually have rain gear.

I think the emphasis needs to be on injury prevention, as most injuries I read about are sprains and injuries from slips and falls. So, IMO the smart hiker is:

- Not overweight.
- In good physical condition for the trip.
- Analyzes routes and aligns them with their skill/equipment

I never bring all of the "10 essentials." I bring what is appropriate for the trip. There are a few things I bring on every trip in my first aid kit. Most trips I bring a compass, but not always a map.

Solo hiking is the safest, because you will tend to be more focused on what you are doing and not chit-chatting with others.

Mountaineering and rock climbing have a different set of requirements.

Further thoughts on the subject and probably highly controversial for this thread.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: 10 essentials and other dogma on 07/26/2013 11:58:31 MDT Print View

As a higher BMI hiker, there are pros and cons.

Pros: If my party were to get stuck in Donners Pass in November, I'd probably survive longer than most.

Cons: I'd probably look like a bigger meal to my cannibal companions than some of you scrawny athletic types

Pros: I can throw someone over my shoulder and carry them a short distance to an LZ

Cons: Very few people can throw me over their shoulder and carry me to an LZ

Pros: I'm more likely to intimidate a mountain lion

Cons: I'm more likely to receive unwanted attention from amorous bears

Edited by IDBLOOM on 07/26/2013 11:59:03 MDT.

Tanner M
(Tan68)
Re: Re: 10 essentials and other dogma on 07/26/2013 12:05:25 MDT Print View

Fozzie, Papa, or Huggy... ?!

David Miles
(davidmiles) - F

Locale: Eastern Sierra
Re: Essentials on 07/26/2013 15:29:32 MDT Print View

I always carry the essentials. These items do not have to be heavy, but they are essential. Do I use them on every trip? No, but I also have not used my fire extinguisher in a very long time either. There are so many lightweight options available, that it is stupid to not be prepared.

Good Luck reinforces bad habits.

The high Sierra is my stomping ground. It is mostly a very forgiving place, but it also kills. As Search and Rescue, we routinely meet those who have stacked the deck against themselves.

I encourage everyone I know to critically examine the weight of all there gear. A lighter pack is more enjoyable and will prevent some injuries. However, if you find yourself tempted to leave essential safety items behind, you have lost sight of the purpose. The summit is optional, returning home is mandatory!

"Solo hiking is the safest" is a myth. Ask a SAR member.

wiiawiwb wiiawiwb
(wiiawiwb) - F
Dpends on where you'e hiking on 07/26/2013 20:51:18 MDT Print View

Where I hike, storms seem to come from no where and then get trapped in the mountains. My area has a lot of rain.

I would likely never go without my goretex jacket. Having said that, if you live in a drier environment with predictable weather patterns, I might carry just a trash bag.