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Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Enigma Quilt on 10/20/2013 23:46:08 MDT Print View

Hey Tim

You should have the overfill option with your other options in the drop menu (length width and color) options.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: website comments on 10/21/2013 06:03:54 MDT Print View


Did they shrink? Kinda.

Due to the sewn footbox the enigma doesn't need to be as long to fit the same height user. So the template for my Rev 6' will actually fit upto 6'5" in an Enigma. But unlike before the fit info for the Enigma is the limit. With the Rev/Prod series you could push another inch or two, not with these.

I currently only have Regular and Long templates. The rest should go to the cutting shop this week but I'm not sure when they will get to them. I didn't want to wait any longer so I moved forward with limited sizing to start.


I agree, I'd much rather have the stripes and overstuff on the product page but my commerce solution isn't setup for it and the result is its very cumbersome to accomplish. I will be checking with them soon to see what can be done.

Thanks all for the feedback


USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Beta site on 10/21/2013 06:51:40 MDT Print View

Good morning Tim,
You might make me finally make a move on a quilt. Love the 15.25 oz. I'll do some more thinking and comparing tomorrow I guess. :(

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Beta site on 10/21/2013 07:23:28 MDT Print View

Yeah, they're pretty light!!


USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
website comments on 10/21/2013 09:03:10 MDT Print View

Well, if I could just now afford to bid over $500 on an old stove :( and not win the bid, I should be able to fork over some money for a quilt now and have gas money left over to drive somewhere.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: website comments on 10/21/2013 09:33:03 MDT Print View


It sure would be nice to know if the ordering experience was working correctly before replacing my existing site :)


Jeff McWilliams
(jjmcwill) - M

Locale: Midwest
Slim/Regular/Wide options? on 10/21/2013 12:00:12 MDT Print View

I looked at the site for the 30 degree Enigma.

There are several mentions of slim/regular/wide widths, but no option to pick those options.

Am I missing something?

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Slim/Regular/Wide options? on 10/21/2013 12:03:00 MDT Print View

Yes, read the line right above the buying options and right bellow the orange 1-3 week wait notice.

I just have REG and LONG templates for these at this time but wanted to get going on them while I get the others made.


Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: Enigma Quilt on 10/21/2013 12:40:45 MDT Print View

So for everyone who suggested having overstuff and weather stripping :) on the main product page I found a plugin and made it work. Its not as pretty as I like but it sure is easier than what i was doing. Thanks for pushing me.


David Mandrella

Locale: Independence Lake
Quick Suggestions on 10/21/2013 12:56:29 MDT Print View

Weather Resistant stripes option does not reset when you hit "clear selection" button.

It says "Weather Resistant Stripes" twice.

Move the link for the stripes description link up to the new option box.

Long Size in the dropdown does not visually depict the "(+$10)" price adjustment.

Are you planning to have overfill options?

Also, one micro-gripe on your quilts is where the neck shock cord comes out of the top. It would be a ton better if that was on the side so it doesn't hang in your face..

Ben H.
(bzhayes) - F

Locale: So. California
Re: Re: Re: Epiphany on 10/21/2013 13:24:54 MDT Print View


I am confused by the weather resistant stripes. What makes them weather resistant? There isn't much description on the product page for this upgrade.

Also, your site seems to be running slow. Might be because everyone is checking it out.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Quick Suggestions on 10/21/2013 13:35:22 MDT Print View


Thanks for the heads up on the options showing up twice. Fixed easily.

Overfill will be available for the Enigma at some point but i don't think it is needed at all and I have a temp rating every 10*, so id rather not mess with it unless I must

I have tried the cord offset, at the edge and at the center and they all have good and bad points. The center cord is the easiest to find and adjust and once you sleep on your side either the offset cord is in your face anyway or behind your head where you cant reach it. Pulling the cord inside is a simple fix to keep it out of your face and at the same times makes it easy to adjust whole keeping your hands and arms inside the warm quilt.


Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Quick Suggestions on 10/21/2013 13:35:31 MDT Print View

Also, one micro-gripe on your quilts is where the neck shock cord comes out of the top. It would be a ton better if that was on the side so it doesn't hang in your face.

A contrary preference ...

I have two MYOG quilts (as well as one of Tim's). One of my creations has the neck drawstring in the center and one has it offset 1/3 - 2/3). As one who switches sleep positions between left side, back and right side during every night I prefer the center position ... the offset drawstring is too awkward to locate when I'm facing away from it.

My center drawstring never hangs in my face because I keep it inside the quilt where it is easily accessible to loosen/tighten when I shift positions or to adjust venting as the temp changes, not outside.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Quick Suggestions on 10/21/2013 13:50:56 MDT Print View


The Stripes are made from more water resistant fabrics in the 1oz range. Aspen Impetus 1.1, Sedona Impetus 1.2 and a Orange 20D sample that didn't work for quilt shells but i have enough for a few stripes and they look so good.

Once i settle on one fabric (and probably 1 color sadly) I will post more detail. I often forget how much detail you guys like as most of the time adding the detail i have in the past just leads to explaining it 5 or 6 times a day :)


Roger Coffey
(tachus1) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
new changes have sold me on 10/25/2013 22:49:46 MDT Print View

Thanks Tim for all the insight and prompt responses to my questions. I suppose the ordering process does work after all, cause a new Enigma quilt is being built for me now. It was easy and simple. Amost too easy!
Like a little boy at Christmas waiting on sleigh bells, I'm anxiously awaiting the squeeky brakes of the delivery truck. The timing was just perfect with the release of the quilt and my current equipment needs.
So as this post is related to recent product changes at EE, I can say you snagged me.
No complaints about what you're doing. This new quilt, at least in design, and hopefully in the field, will address some of the weaknesses I've experienced in other products.

alex hansen
Quilt temp ratings on 10/26/2013 10:05:34 MDT Print View

Rather than bother Tim with another email as I'm sure he has plenty right now with his new web launch and new product, question about the temp ratings I'm sure many of you can answer.
If I wanted a quilt to take me to 30* F, with layers including down jacket and base layers, should I consider a 40* quilt or a 30*?
Love the enigma btw Tim!

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Deep Frreze
Re: Quilt temp ratings on 10/26/2013 10:20:51 MDT Print View


I always add 10f on to a bags/quilts rating.

Roger Coffey
(tachus1) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
temp ratings on 10/26/2013 10:37:20 MDT Print View

Alex, my personal love of quilts is mostly centered on this very subject. The variable girth allows them to be camellion-like in use. The more you wear to bed, the less quilt you need.
The first time I ever used a quilt, it was a 40 degree golite, brand new. A weather front moved in with cold air across the mountains of New Mexico surprising me with a low 20's night time temp. I had a warm pad, and I put on all my warm gear (not much, really), cinched everything down tight and readied myself for a long and miserable night.
I slept like a baby. I was fine. Certainly not hot, but A OK.
I think the biggest factor is what kind of backcountry fella are you? Do you climb hard in minimal gear, then bed down quickly to survive the night? Then perhaps you do need a 20 degree bag for a 30 degree night. Or, do you get to camp early and enjoy lounging with the boys by a fire in your super awesome warm down pants and parka? Then I suspect a 40 degree quilt would more than do the trick. After all, you're gonna wear that stuff to bed.

alex hansen
my style on 10/26/2013 12:07:31 MDT Print View

i currently own an REI igneo 20, at 2 lbs, its great but i have yet to have the opportunity to use it in a climate where it is actually necessary to have a 20* bag.
i see myself somewhere between your two examples. i dont backpack with a camp fire much. i plan on hiking in the sierras mostly with 15-20 mile days during 3 seasons, and hopefully using my igneo in the winter season for the same purpose. i would be hiking till an hour before sunset then setting up camp, having a bit of dinner and hitting the sack. i may be using a bivy and/or tarp for shelter. i would like to use a stoic hadron for primary insulation and mid-heavyweight baselayers for sleep clothes

quilt on 10/26/2013 12:28:53 MDT Print View

"If I wanted a quilt to take me to 30* F, with layers including down jacket and base layers, should I consider a 40* quilt or a 30*?"

If you have a good pad, and down pants,maybe booties, I would think 40 would work fine.

But it depends.

If you can shift down to feet and legs like in the revelation, and have a puffy jacket on, 40 might be fine too.

I was fairly cold once at 28 with my 40F EE quilt, NO overstuff., thin baselayer and thin fleece, +beanie, on a GG nightlight pad and 1/8" thin CCF pad. Lets just say I was glad when it was time to get up and move around in the morning. It was also 34 when I went to bed, so I was at freezing or below for about 9 hrs. I wrapped my rainjacket around my feet, and that might have made a 1-2F difference there, I could feel it.

My torso wasnt really cold. Only my legs and feet. So, with down jacket, down pants, down booties, and on a good pad, I bet I would have been cozy down to mid 20s.

On a multiday trip where the down will lose loft from absorbing some body moisture, I wouldnt intentionally plan to go below the rating of the quilt. The clothing may be needed for that situation after several days.

Edited by livingontheroad on 10/26/2013 12:31:22 MDT.