22 Gram Esbit Kit
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mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
ta Dan on 08/06/2013 19:32:51 MDT Print View

I will get back to you in a day or so Dan, ta mate :).

One thing with the esbit efficiency is that as the esbit burns it looses height and thus the burn power is affected. I am noticing that a flatter piece rather than a higher piece is more effective over the life of the burn.

I'm still waiting for my Esbit manufactured tray holder /tripod cup holder but what height do you have the tray of the esbit burner from the bottom of the pot? My pot stand holds my pot 50mm from the ground and I don't want to go any higher than that.

I was thinking of making a caddy to hold everything in from a wetsuit type of material. I found a wine bottle cooler out of this stuff and it fits the pot perfectly. It's not really a cprotection caddy as such more like an insulation sleeve for the pot to be able to pick it up straight after a boil and to keep the coffee/tea warm for a little longer.

Pictures to follow.

Edited by mikmik on 08/06/2013 20:32:29 MDT.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
esbit burn efficiency on 08/06/2013 20:42:00 MDT Print View

I noticed with the modified gram cracker stove I built that you can't have a 'deep' tray as that slows the burn too much. I'm going to have a go at making another gram cracker stove with a bigger tray area so I can lie my esbit tab flat. I seem to have different looking tabs from you guys. Mine comes in large flat blocks.

Drew Jay
(drewjh) - F

Locale: Central Coast
Burner height on 08/06/2013 21:06:53 MDT Print View

Based on my research, 1.25" to 1.75" from the surface of the esbit to the bottom of the pot is best. So I built my stoves with a distance of 1.25" from the top of a fresh esbit tab to the bottom of the pot. That way when the tab burns all the way down it is still within the optimal distance.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Re: Burner height on 08/07/2013 00:43:49 MDT Print View

"Based on my research, 1.25" to 1.75" from the surface of the esbit to the bottom of the pot is best"

Cool, mine is close to the 1.25" mark. I think I now will experiment with making a larger tray for the esbit so I have more of even burn.

I can see though that an upright pot will take longer to boil water than a wider pot.

Wonder is anyone ever thought of making a pot out of those Heiniken beer 'kegs'....I think they are 5liters (?). Don't quote me on the liter amount but I know they are bigger than the Fosters 1liter pots.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F
22 Gram Esbit Kit on 08/07/2013 18:20:17 MDT Print View

What is the source of this tiny container ??
Thanks

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
tiny container? on 08/10/2013 01:22:03 MDT Print View

Are you asking about the gram cracker or the Esbit burner/pot stand?

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: tiny container? on 08/16/2013 09:59:51 MDT Print View

Troy, they are available at Amazon.com.

MikMik, have you used your EsbitLyte burner yet?

Introducing the "EsbitLyte" burner.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Re: Re: tiny container? on 08/17/2013 05:26:57 MDT Print View

Hi Dan,

I was on your website a few days ago and you were still away. I wanted to order a Fosters Pot.

I am looking for a flat bottomed one with the ribbing for strength on the side that will boil 2 cups of water please. Can you let me which one would suit my purpose please. Thank you :).

No I haven't tried that burner but have checked it out on your site. I bought and am waiting for this esbit burner. I like it for it has a tray to hold the liquid AND it is a pot stand as well for 11grams:

esbit stove and pot holder

Edited by mikmik on 08/17/2013 05:27:39 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Re: tiny container? on 08/19/2013 07:05:04 MDT Print View

MikMik, I'll start making another batch of foster 2 cup flat bottom pots today and will send you an invoice when they are ready. that is the one for you to use with your new pot support/esbit stove. Did you receive the ti Esbit pot stand yet and will the StarLyte burner work with it? I'll have to order one to do some experimenting.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Re: Re: Re: Re: tiny container? on 08/19/2013 17:11:39 MDT Print View

I put an order in last night for a flat bottomed fosters can but haven't got a confirmation email from your company yet.

I don't think your stove will work with the Ti pot stand I ordered. I haven't got it yet it's still in transit but in the picture the pot stand has it's own esbit holder.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: tiny container? on 08/19/2013 20:17:22 MDT Print View

mikmik, I got an order to ship to Queensland 4128 is that you? I will make more 2 cup flat bottom pots tomorrow and then ship on Wednesday. I ordered 1 Ti potstand today and received a conformation that it was shipped today. I might receive it in 2 days and will test it with EsbitLyte siting on top of the esbit tray. We already know the esbit does not melt inside the Esbitlyte and is very efficient using the 4 gram tablets.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
Yep that is me on 08/20/2013 04:35:00 MDT Print View

Yeah that is my order :).

If that Ti stove/pot holder does not work out I'll give your stove a go :).

Thank you Dan.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Yep that is me on 08/21/2013 21:06:29 MDT Print View

I sent a burner along with your order for you to test. The winters are long over there and you need something to keep you occupied :-)

Where do you purchase large flat blocks of esbit?

Edited by zelph on 08/21/2013 21:08:24 MDT.

mik matra
(mikmik) - M

Locale: Allways on the move
large flat esbit block on 08/21/2013 23:42:29 MDT Print View

Thanks heaps for sending the extras!!! :)

The Esbit I got from the local camping shop. I haven't been able to find the same ones on Ebay. Are you interested in the larger flatter ones for experimenting with?

Soul patch
(mtblack) - F
11 grams on 08/22/2013 00:28:22 MDT Print View

Mik,

That stove will most likely weigh 14 grams. That type is often listed at 11 grams but they all seem to weigh in at 14, regardless of whose brand is on the stove. It is a very utilitarian and I love mine.

Edited by mtblack on 08/22/2013 23:29:12 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: large flat esbit block on 08/24/2013 09:32:30 MDT Print View

Hi Mik, the large flat blocks you have are probably the 4 gram tablets and I have been testing those. I purchased mine on ebay. I'll see if I can get a link for you 6 of them fit inside the esbitlyte burner.

Mathew is right about the weight. Mine weighs 14grams.

I received my "Esbit" brand stove yesterday and did one test this morning in my kitchen while my wife was out and about. I was able to boil 2 cups of 70 degree water under Ideal conditions in approx 6 min. and had esbit left over in the tray (I used the large cube). (see photo) After the water boiled I took the stove outside to blow out the flames. Most of you that use esbit know what a cloud of smoke that comes off the snuffed cube and what it smells like. You can see that cloud of smoke in Trail Designs demo video of the Sidewinder.

As the stove was cooling down I could see tiny droplets of chemical being given off by the remaining cube. The latent heat was enough to have the cube continue to off-gas. I was holding the stove with a hot pad and was able to get a close look of the process. As it cooled further I could see the formation of tiny pointed crystals forming at the top edge of the tray and on the esbit itself. They looked really cool glistening in the sun light. After the remaining cube had cooled I lightly, very lightly, was able to scrape the tiny crystals off and put them on a sheet to photograph them for you to see. That's a lot of crystal chemical to be handling if you are saving the remaining tablet by touching it to put it into a zip-lock bag. This is just a heads up infomercial on the use of esbit ;-) Wherever you put the remaining piece it's sure to be losing some of those tiny crystals. It would be interesting to get some input from users on how they handle their stove and remaining esbit. Eric has been using esbit for a long time so maybe he can give us some insight on how he manages his leftovers.

My recent tests with the 4 gram tablets 2 at a time in the Esbitlyte burner show no signs of the crystal formation and residue left on the pot bottom. Maybe they would form if I had blown out the fuel midway into the tests, dunno!.

In today's test we can see the amount of residue left after a 6 min. burn time.(see photo)

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Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: large flat esbit block on 08/24/2013 09:42:27 MDT Print View

I normally use this Esbit burner for my cooking in the field.

I put a tiny piece of aluminum foil, less than one square inch, into the fuel tray before I burn Esbit there. This allows me to easily remove any burned or unburned remainder. I always have some aluminum foil to use as a wind screen, and often I use a piece on the ground to avoid catching any grass. The remainder can be wrapped in foil if you need to transport it somewhere else.

The white crystals are convenient if you want to re-light the Esbit for a second burn. They seem to allow the lighter flame to catch it better.

--B.G.--

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Re: large flat esbit block on 08/24/2013 21:47:52 MDT Print View

Thanks Bob. The foil is a good tip. I find it hard to light used tablets even in calm conditions. I've been using the large kitchen matches but may have to get one of those "jet" butane torches like Rand at TD uses in his demo video of the Sidewinder Ti-Tri. Do you use matches or a lighter?

The esbit that remained from the first test was only able to get the water hot enough that I could only hold my finger in it for about 5 seconds max. I think I've seen it said by
Eric B. that he can get a second 2 cup boil out of his remaining esbit, is that correct?

Edited by zelph on 08/24/2013 21:50:41 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: large flat esbit block on 08/24/2013 22:28:24 MDT Print View

"I think I've seen it said by Eric B. that he can get a second 2 cup boil out of his remaining esbit, is that correct?"

Ahh, the holy grail of two 2-cup boils from one 14 gram Esbit tablet. Like a shining light over a lonely nunnery. Guarded by insane knights. Seekers are taunted by nasty Frenchmen, and attacked by dangerous wildlife.

In my experience, your experience is about right. Boil 2 cups of water, heat up another cup or two for a hot drink, but not a boil.

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 08/24/2013 22:30:21 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Rex is onto something on 08/25/2013 13:37:02 MDT Print View

Rex, that is quite the collection of tall tales as is the 4 cups on one 14 gram esbit.

I like the ultralight PVC pack frame in the Nasty Frenchman video. Stop it at minute 2:52.