Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must.
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Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 07/14/2013 08:29:16 MDT Print View

I love the Vivo Breathos...and was very happy to have found a shoe like them. I can't justify a shoe I can only get 75 miles out of though before the lugs are gone....and that's mostly on trails with little rock! I emailed Vivobarefoot about this long ago and never got a response.

Anything out there close to this shoe that I'm overlooking? I had a pair of Trailgloves but they didn't work out....and I prefer more traction. I would like something thin (sole) with no heel rise too. The Breatho would be almost perfect for my tastes if the sole was more durable.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 07/14/2013 09:02:31 MDT Print View

Have you tried the regular neo trails? I haven't been using them for long but they seem very durable. The uppers are made from a really tough material, I chose them for off trail stuff. Of course they don't dry quickly.

Mark Verber
(verber) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 07/14/2013 10:25:52 MDT Print View

just 75 miles? Never had a shoe that would die so quickly. Have you tried a second pair to verify that it wasn't a one time issue. I would be tempted to send vivo a physical note indicating your experience, tell them that if this the the durability of the shoes you will have to switch to another company, and then ask them to send you a replacement pair to demonstrate that they will last longer than 75 miles.

As to alternatives, I would recommend checking out the Inov-8 TrailRoc 150. I only have 200 miles on mine so far (got them at the same time as some Luna Sandals which have been getting most of my feet time). Based on wear so far, and experience with other Inov-8 shoes I expect them to last between 400-600 miles.

--mark

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 07/14/2013 14:07:08 MDT Print View

Justin,

Haven't tried the Neo Trails. They appear to have the same rubber compound. They were a tad heavier than I wanted too....plus I like the idea of having something more breathable.

Mark,

My first pair still appear to have lots more life left in the shoe itself.....but the sole's heal are bare. Smooth. No lugs left. What's left of the sole is extremely thin. The lugs on the rest of the sole are very worn...particularly on the balls of my feet. Some lugs ripped right off. I have less than 25 miles on my second pair and many of the lugs are beginning to tear away from the sole. At least one has ripped off entirely. I might get 75 miles out of this second pair...or maybe 100. I don't know.

I sent Vivo an email explaining this. No response. I may be going to the summer OR show in SLC in a few wks. If I do, I will talk to them then.

Thank you for pointing out the Inov-8 TrailRoc 150s. They look promising....though the colors loud. Whoa! :-) The Bare-Grip 200 looks good too...maybe too much height on the lugs though.?...?? Wow, they look like cleats!

What do you think of the toe box on the Bare-Grip 150s? Good room or more like a conventional running shoe?

Sean Passanisi
(passanis) - MLife
Breatho vs. Neotrail on 07/26/2013 11:00:02 MDT Print View

I was just about to pull the trigger on the Breatho. I'd be happy to try the Neotrail if the durability is better.

Does anyone have any longterm experience with the Neotrail?

Edit: FYI, I'm looking for an all purpose on/off road minimalist travel shoe in black.

Edited by passanis on 07/26/2013 11:07:54 MDT.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Breatho vs. Neotrail on 07/26/2013 11:19:44 MDT Print View

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Edited by justin_baker on 09/08/2013 14:16:29 MDT.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 09/08/2013 14:19:32 MDT Print View

I've put about 100 miles in my neo trails.
Yep, the lugs are wearing off super fast.
Such a shame, hopefully they fix this is the future.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 09/09/2013 08:11:41 MDT Print View

I finally spoke with Vivo and showed them my worn soles. They told me I had earlier models with soles made partially of recycled rubber and that the new models were made of a more durable compound.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 09/10/2013 18:48:32 MDT Print View

I remember some talk about the recycled rubber trails. If I remember right, the recycled rubber had a speckled pattern. That was a while ago, it sounds like vivo is stringing you along here. If there really is a new, new model that is more durable then I would be happy. I'm very hesitant to buy anything from vivobarefoot now other than their sew-on soled leather shoes which have held up for a long time of casual use.

If they have really fixed the problem, I would appreciate a free replacement from them. It's the least they can do for selling a $100+ shoe that becomes unusable after less than 100 miles.


Either way the lug design is bad. I would like to see the trailroc lugs on the trails.

Edited by justin_baker on 09/10/2013 19:00:43 MDT.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Re: Re: Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 09/11/2013 08:39:31 MDT Print View

"...sounds like vivo is stringing you along here. I'm very hesitant to buy anything from vivobarefoot now other than their sew-on soled leather shoes which have held up for a long time of casual use. If they have really fixed the problem, I would appreciate a free replacement from them. It's the least they can do for selling a $100+ shoe that becomes unusable after less than 100 miles."

I hear ya on all accounts! I'm more than a little put off by Vivo. However, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and try them one more time. I spoke with and showed two people at Vivo my worn shoes. One said to contact him later and he'd give me a "screaming deal" on another pair. Since there was no offer to replace, I'm hoping it's a genuine "screaming deal"! Otherwise, it's off to the Inov-8 TrailRoc 150. Not exactly what I'd like but they're the closest thing next to the Vivo's.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 09/13/2013 15:43:11 MDT Print View

If you try them out again, I would love to hear how they hold up. If they fixed the problem I would be very, very happy. They are my favorite shoes besides the durability issue.

I have a merrel trail glove and new balance minimus (both were discontinued models for screaming deals on ebay) coming in the mail which should hold me off for now.

I've felt the trailroc 150 and it seems like an awesome shoe. If only they made them in different colors.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Longer lasting alternative to Vivobarefoot Breatho? Traction a must. on 09/13/2013 16:40:19 MDT Print View

Yes, if I get another pair, I will post how they hold up. It might be a while though as my summer/fall plans have had a curve ball thrown in.

Re the colors on the Trailrocs, the new Breatho colors are very similarly hideous. Seems to be the trend in shoes right now. Gack!

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
Trailroc 235 on 09/13/2013 16:47:58 MDT Print View

I have a pair of the Trailroc 235s, and like them a lot. The traction is excellent, and I'm confident the upper will die before the lugs wear down. If anything, I'd like a stickier rubber. Traction on wet rocks is merely passable.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Trailroc 235 on 09/13/2013 17:36:40 MDT Print View

Hmm...I'm not sure why I don't recall seeing the 235s at the OR show. They look to be the 150s but with a thicker footbed (6mm vs 3mm). Is that correct, David?

Edited by rustyb on 09/13/2013 17:38:24 MDT.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Trailroc 235 on 09/13/2013 17:53:09 MDT Print View

On birthdayshoes they have a comparison between the vivobarefoot neo trails and 235's so they must be similar.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
re: Trailroc 235s on 09/13/2013 20:43:39 MDT Print View

The sole thickness is different, and I think the mesh is a bit different than the 150 (I think).

Quite taken with them thus far.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: re: Trailroc 235s on 09/13/2013 20:54:03 MDT Print View

Thanks, guys.

Justin....I didn't see the comparison you were referring to. I probably just overlooked it.

David.....have you tried the Vivo Breatho and if so, how does the thickness of its sole compare to that of the 235? I tried on the 150s and they felt thinner than even the Breathos without the insole.

Brendan Swihart
(brendans) - MLife

Locale: Fruita CO
Re: Re: re: Trailroc 235s on 09/16/2013 23:52:22 MDT Print View

I don't have any experience with the Vivos or 150s but I've been using the 235s and while not ideal, they're probably the best shoes I've used. The key is getting the newer blue ones (rather than the yellow ones), which is a completely different and much better mesh (unless things have changed). Like Dave says, the rubber kinda sucks. Unfortunately it's neither very sticky nor very durable. I'm kinda over thinking that the perfect shoe is out there (although it seems so obvious and easy--just put the damn roclite sole on them) so I'm settled on them for the time being...

Edited by brendans on 09/16/2013 23:54:12 MDT.

Lars Laird Iversen
(larslaird) - M
Inov-8 150 on 09/17/2013 04:08:40 MDT Print View

I've got the Inov-8 150, and they are a good shoe - but with narrow toe box. If it fits you, go for it. Personally I would have liked them wider.

Javan Dempsey
(jdempsey)

Locale: The-Stateless-Society
Re: Re: Re: re: Trailroc 235s on 09/18/2013 15:12:07 MDT Print View

I agree, the Trailroc 235s are the best option out there right now.


I bought two pairs of Breathos and I hated them. I had to hike out a couple miles barefoot because they raped my feet so bad. The curved bottoms cause me to hyper pronate like crazy, and the footbeds feel like concrete on them.

Chris Wallace turned me onto the Trailroc 235s, and I've always hated Inov-8's Geisha foot optimized "perfromance" last, so I was hesitant, and the toe box looked narrow, but the mesh has a lot of stretch, and once broken in, I find these to be the most comfortable high traction zero drop shoe on the market.

Altras work pretty good for me also, but I dislike the huge stack height. The Inov-8s without the insoles are the perfect combination of cushion flexibility for me, with just enough insulation to be viable most of the year.


I'm pretty pissed at TerraPlana, the original Aquas are some of the most comfortable shoes ever made IMHO, but they seem to constantly be trying to reinvent the wheel, instead of figuring out what works and evolving it.

It's going to be a long time before I give any Vivo's a try again. My feet are still hurting.