A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg"
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masculine über linear logical club
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/10/2013 19:27:39 MDT Print View

Bear with me, as i try to unclutter information. I've made a lot of threads on shelters, but be assured, that the process has helped understand my own wants and needs (sorry for burdening BPL's servers...) i'll be very specific in this thread.

I hope this will be helpful for others too.


Criteria:
- trekking poles as structure
- true double wall shelter (ripstop inner, no bivy bags, ONE room for 2 persons)
- sized for 2
- weight under 2kg incl. EVERYTHING (trekking poles, inner tent, guylines, pegs, stuff sacks..)

NOW, list the shelters that comes to mind in order of what you believe is most WINDSTORM WORTHY

I'll start with the obvious:


1 - MLD Trailstar with a custom ripstop inner (like 2Oookstar)
2 -?
3- ?
4 -?

Thanks
Peter


Edit: I know now, that the plural of criterion is not critarias...what a fruitful day.

Edited by prse on 07/11/2013 22:56:59 MDT.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Tarptent Stratospire 2 on 07/10/2013 20:12:06 MDT Print View

The Stratospire 2 is 1.2 kg. with the ripstop inner and requires only two poles. It presents triangular panels to the wind all around.

The SS 2 has two doors and two vestibules, plenty of headroom and floor space for 2.(See Tarptent's photos and 3-D view.)

You could enhance its wind worthiness by having TT sew stake loops on the fly hem and by preparing two guylines for the hiking poles ahead of time. They would run out through the inside the of the two peak vents. Ask TT for some free Line-Loc cord tensioners and buy Kelty Triptease cord for them.

** I'd recommend MSR Ground Hog extruded "Y" cross section stakes. Very good holding in winds and excellent durability against pounding with rocks.

Further you could sew (and seal) some more guy points on the fly panels as you feel necesary. Be sure to reinforce them inside with sewn-on circles of heavier material like Cordura.

All that aside I'd get a Scarp 2. See BPL's WINTER CAMPING page and photos of my own modded Scarp 2 for winter and windy conditions. A Scarp 2 with 2 crossing poles will be just over 2 kg. but be VERY wind-worthy. (esp. if you do my mods.:o)

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Tarptent Stratospire 2 on 07/10/2013 20:21:17 MDT Print View

Golite SL3 with Bear paw ripstop inner would be a contender.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg on 07/10/2013 20:31:36 MDT Print View

ONE room for 2 (?)

masculine über linear logical club
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg on 07/10/2013 20:46:28 MDT Print View

Franco i have no idea if you are being naughty or asking a question? :-)

masculine über linear logical club
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Re: Tarptent Stratospire 2 on 07/10/2013 21:00:35 MDT Print View

Hi Eric

I'm (for now ;-)) rooting for the Hilleberg Rogen if weights (without trekking poles) get around 2 kg.

I like the mods you suggest!

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg on 07/10/2013 23:13:33 MDT Print View

That could have been my only serious post for the season...
It was a question , just not sure what you ment by one room for 2

added..
Ah OK, now I know

Edited by Franco on 07/11/2013 01:48:24 MDT.

masculine über linear logical club
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Naughty not on 07/10/2013 23:56:43 MDT Print View

Franco, i just meant that the inner tent should be one big room for 2 people instead of something like 2 x bivy bags.

Ross L
(Ross) - MLife

Locale: Beautiful BC
Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 13:45:50 MDT Print View

Pricey but...

Ruta Locura Lone Cabin with a Bearpawwd custom inner would make a bomber shelter.

Sean Passanisi
(passanis) - MLife
SS2 in 70 km/h wind on 07/11/2013 14:13:19 MDT Print View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0Yo8dBY0I

I don't know if I would sleep much but at least it holds up!

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: SS2 in 70 km/h wind on 07/11/2013 15:20:47 MDT Print View

Hi Sean,

I have had my ss1 out in 40mph and it coped well enough, I did have both mid point guylines deployed though.
Also when ordering Henry added extra ground perimeter guy points for me.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
"Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg on 07/11/2013 15:43:17 MDT Print View

You could look at one of the new HMG mids with a custom made inner. Given your requirements I would also look at complete tents.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Hilleberg Unna on 07/11/2013 15:52:53 MDT Print View

When I read this I thought you where asking about shelters that use poles.

The Hilleberg Unna is a shade over 2kg and has lots of space.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 16:02:45 MDT Print View

Are you putting ideology over survival and safety?

Anyhow, my winter tunnel weighs well under 2 kg.

Cheers

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 16:43:46 MDT Print View

Roger,

Any idea when your winter tent will be available? I know you said your summer tent was going in to production first.

Sean Passanisi
(passanis) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 18:04:33 MDT Print View

Thanks, Stephen. I already have an SS2 but I received the same recommendation from Eric B. when ordering my Notch this week.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: Re: Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 18:18:37 MDT Print View

Nice one Sean,

The extra guy points are a nice option to have.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 19:00:15 MDT Print View

"Anyhow, my winter tunnel weighs well under 2 kg."

Define well

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Poles on 07/11/2013 19:02:40 MDT Print View

"When I read this I thought you where asking about shelters that use poles."

Me too. Especially after reading the criteria

Criterias:
- trekking poles as structure

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/11/2013 19:20:51 MDT Print View

MLD Trailstar with custom inner

MLD DuoMid with Inner

MLD SpeedMid with inner

Golite Shangri-La 2 with custom inner

Golite Shangri-La 3 with custom inner

Oware Alphamid with custom inner

masculine über linear logical club
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Keep it simple on 07/11/2013 21:06:57 MDT Print View

Hi Guys

I'm sitting here laughing at my attempt to make a very streamlined thread :-) - "it's like boys with toys" (from "Goldeneye")

@ Roger, Let's stick to my original criterias, and we can discuss ideology in another thread, but thank you for your concern, it's a legit question, that i'm very much aware of. Just look at this as a simple BPL brain pool study on a narrow subject.
The Caffin tent is not available. Roger, i believe you are a master at the teasing game!

@ Stephen, the Unna falls short on several of my criteria.

@ Bradford, Thank you, you are the first who dares to make a list!


NOW, go on and make your (subjective) lists!


Edit: Spelling...thanks Franco! - english is not my first language, so i'm excused... ;-)

Edited by prse on 07/11/2013 22:54:48 MDT.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
A LIST... on 07/11/2013 22:20:33 MDT Print View

Criteria

criterion, criteria.
Yes, it is Greek to me too.

kevin timm
(ktimm) - M

Locale: Colorado (SeekOutside)
A lot of shelters on 07/12/2013 12:03:15 MDT Print View

It seems at 4.4 lbs there are a lot of choices. Our Backcountry Shelter 1 with our 3 side DWR nest is less than that and I've been in 60 MPH winds with it. The Lil Bug Out Tent with a 3 piece vestibule, which is a nearly identical design to the BCS 1 but lower in profile and a little more "tipi" like should fit in that weight as well. The shelter is 25 - 26 ounces, the nest with a 2 -3 k mm sil floor and 3 sides DWR is 21. It requires 6 stakes and a trekking pole extender is just over an ounce while the robust CF pole with 3 inches of adjustment is 6.5 ounces. You can use up to 12 stakes if you like since there are numerous guy out points for maximizing space and anchoring in severe weather.

One word of caution, often it seems at least with larger tents that the stake integrity starts to get compromised at 60 MPH in standard soils using standard stakes. The smaller shelters do better, but an inner nest can accelerate stake out compromise since the floor can get caught by the wind, and the constant stress will slowly pull the stakes up. If you are in the nest, this is less of an issue. It can be mitigated by using more robust stakes at the Nest / Shelter connection or using separate stakes for the nest so the shelter always maintains integrity.

BJ Clark
(bj.clark) - MLife

Locale: Colorado
Re: A LIST: "Most windstorm worthy, double wall, 2 person, trekking pole shelters under 2kg" on 07/12/2013 15:33:51 MDT Print View

Yama Mountain Terraform 2 w/ inner nest. 40 mph with no flutter. Gusts to 50 mph were no problem. My setup is 38.5 oz. plus trekking poles. Tight for two but a great setup.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: A lot of shelters on 07/12/2013 15:45:51 MDT Print View

> stake integrity starts to get compromised at 60 MPH in standard soils using standard stakes.

A very good observation!
Too many stakes are short - some under 150 mm (6"). That length will not hold in a strong wind. For the ends of my tunnels I use longer stakes - between 180 and 200 mm (7"-8"), and I do not regret the extra weight.

Cheers