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eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
bear spray AND gun used in bear encounter on 07/04/2013 16:36:33 MDT Print View

more at link ...

Sgt. Joe Caravetta, a B.C. conservation officer, said two men in their mid-30s from Fernie were walking on a popular hiking and mountain biking trail between 9 a.m. and 10 a.m. when they encountered a sow and her cub.

He said the sow became “very defensive” of her cub and attacked one of the men and pushed him about six metres down the steep trail near the peak of the mountain.

The man used his bear spray and the grizzly retreated, said Caravetta. The sow then went after the other hiker and knocked him to the ground before chewing on his arms and upper body.

Caravetta said the hiker pulled out his gun and shot the bear at close range. The wounded animal ran away with her cub. The men administered their own first-aid from supplies they were carrying in their packs.


http://tinyurl.com/m4ng3ln

Edited by bearbreeder on 07/04/2013 16:37:14 MDT.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
You say bear incident, and I'll say auto accident. Cause that's what I always do. on 07/04/2013 18:37:55 MDT Print View

Two people slightly gnawed on by a bear. Morals: Carry pepper spray. Maybe even a gun if you are so inclined.

8 people slightly dead while driving home from camping trip. More morals: Don't drive while intoxicated. And especially not the wrong way on the parkway for 3 km:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Taconic_State_Parkway_crash

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: bear encounter on 07/04/2013 18:41:46 MDT Print View

Wonder how the bear is doing?

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: bear encounter on 07/04/2013 18:46:33 MDT Print View

She's hurting, and looking for an easy meal....

Edited by greg23 on 07/04/2013 18:47:06 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: bear encounter on 07/04/2013 18:51:17 MDT Print View

So now we have a problem.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: bear encounter on 07/04/2013 19:13:12 MDT Print View

If you look at the Herrero bear statistics, in every case the offending bear is tracked down and killed

Maybe a few more bears that happen to be wandering by also

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
caliber on 07/05/2013 10:13:49 MDT Print View

I wonder what caliber the bear was shot with, small handgun it will likely heal, larger caliber it will likely die without a posse hunting it down.

Rob E
(eatSleepFish)

Locale: Canada
Re: caliber on 07/05/2013 10:21:49 MDT Print View

I also am wondering what type and caliber of gun was used, primarily because handgun possession laws are much stricter in Canada, so much so that the statistical chances of a hiker being able to legally carry a handgun for bear protection in Canada is effectively zero. So without knowing anything more, I would guess that it was likely a small pump action shotgun, or a rifle.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: caliber on 07/05/2013 11:07:51 MDT Print View

"small handgun it will likely heal"

No

They will track it down and kill it before it has time to start healing

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Caliber? Decibels? on 07/05/2013 11:55:17 MDT Print View

While the link given above suggests a handgun with the wording, "the hiker pulled out his gun and shot the bear at close range.", other news reports:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/07/20130704-214857.html

report that a shotgun was used. Which is a whole more likely (because it is more legal) to be carried in Canada. The OP's link makes it sounds like the use of the gun was what stopped the attack. The article linked above describes:

"The man was able to get his bear spray out and when he sprayed the sow, she retreated but went after the second man, who fired a shotgun at her and, according to his report, struck her at a fairly close distance, Caravetta said.

The bear continued to attack the man, biting his upper arm and chest before retreating.

"Perhaps once the bear had him down, she felt the threat was gone," Caravetta said, adding the attack is considered defensive and not predatory."

Indicating that, for this attack, this bear, this turn of events; pepper spray stopped the attack on the first man, a shotgun didn't stop the attack on the second man - his going down stopped the attack. UL note: Pepper Spray = 14 oz and worked, shotgun = 6 pounds and didn't work, duck&cover = 0 oz and worked albeit with some injuries.)

And, as Jerry has been pointing out: ""We're not pursuing the bear because it's a bad bear, we're pursuing it because we think it's wounded," Caravetta said, adding depending on the severity of its injury, the bear would have to be euthanized and the cub likely taken somewhere to be rehabilitated."

Spray: +1 Gun: 0
Humans -0.05 Bears: -1

Gun forums are pondering what gauge shotgun and what load (buckshot, slug, etc) was used, and have the implicit or explicit idea that if he carried the right weapon, the bear would have gone down instantaneous. Having seen a medium-sized black bear take two .338 bullets (3800 foot-pounds versus a 1-ounce 12-gauge slug at 1000 foot-pounds) and keep going, I know that's not always true.

I ponder "How much noise were they making immediately before the encounter?" I wish (like seat belt use in a MVA) that was a standard interview question and included in more news reports. UL note: yelling weighs nothing.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
12 ga. slug on 07/05/2013 21:36:56 MDT Print View

A 12 ga. slug will work nicely, either breaking major bones and/or damaging vital organs or instantly killing with a head shot.

Buckshot, not so much...

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Different Interpretation on 07/06/2013 22:32:40 MDT Print View

"UL note: Pepper Spray = 14 oz and worked, shotgun = 6 pounds and didn't work, duck&cover = 0 oz and worked albeit with some injuries.)"

Hm. I have a different interpretation.

Pepper spray did not work, as bear attacked again after the pepper spray. Perhaps the hot sauce agitated the bear further.

Gun worked, although not instantly, as bear retreated soon after. (Hardly an UL option however.)

"Perhaps once the bear had him down, she felt the threat was gone," Caravetta said...

Well, since we're speculating wildly, I'd speculate that perhaps the bear retreated due to wounds. But that's probably not politically correct.

Edited by Bolster on 07/06/2013 23:00:39 MDT.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
more information on 07/06/2013 23:51:58 MDT Print View

first hand account ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/07/04/bc-fernie-grizzly-bear-attack.html

"I heard a growl, and then we both heard a second growl, and we said, 'What was that?'" said Farkas.

"And before we could react, she was on us ... She knocked [Braconnier] over, hit him in the back and took him downhill out of my sight behind some shrubs."

After the bear swiped Braconnier four times and swung him through the air by his arm, he managed to hit back with some bear spray.

"She was right there — arm's distance — I hit her with some bear spray," Braconnier recalled.

Undeterred, the bear turned on Farkas, who was fumbling with a shotgun.

"When I saw her coming back up the hill, I had been fumbling with unstrapping the shotgun off my back, fumbling with shells," he said.

"I managed to load a shell. I saw her paws. I shot ... She seemed to stand up and writhe in pain like I had connected with her. And in an instant like lightning, she was around a bit of a corner and airborne at me, and she clawed me and pushed me back."

Farkas feared for the worst when he landed on his back more than three metres down the hill, with the angry grizzly bearing down on him.

"The most terrifying part was I was so vulnerable, head down hill, feet up. I was screaming. Her face was no more than a foot from my boot. And she turned around and left."

peter vacco
(fluff@inreach.com) - M

Locale: no. california
Re: Caliber? Decibels? on 07/07/2013 09:50:19 MDT Print View

David has the crux of it Right There.

" Pepper Spray = 14 oz and worked, shotgun = 6 pounds and didn't work "

you can add that if it's correctly mounted, you can deploy spray Vastly Faster, and without even using your hands if necessary.
Vastly Faster outguns Possibly Later in surprise attack defense.

(and this, coming from a fellow who is moving towards building an electric "polar bear fence" so he can get some sleep on his next trip)

peter vacco
(fluff@inreach.com) - M

Locale: no. california
Re: Different Interpretation on 07/07/2013 10:11:02 MDT Print View

"Perhaps once the bear had him down, she felt the threat was gone," Caravetta said...

Well, since we're speculating wildly, "

--
not quite so fast my politically incorrect friend. this is a bear with cubs. she will be Defending her own from the hikers, not feeding on them. interpretations of the situation is not speculation. not at all. this is what they do. i know this. i had pretty much the same thing for a mom. bears are reasonably predictable. not 100%, but close enough.
once hiker #1 sprayed her and was down (now threat free), she went after #2. noise, wound, fear, all notwithstanding, after he went down, she was finished. job done, same as. next ?

guns shmuns, i love 'em too, but for surprise bear encounters they are a distant third best thing to making noise and carrying spray.
on the other hand, if an encounter goes on and on, and you are being stalked over time/distance, well then, it's not really a surprise anymore is it ? about that time, rest assured, that little tin can is going to feel terribly not-enough, and you'll be sorely wanting that stainless 338 with kevlar stock we all dream about. back to speculation, no healthy sow with cubs is going to stalk a pair of smelly humans. it's not what they do.
--
mostly though :
you gott'a make some noise, and you got to stand fast your ground as well.
is gets scary.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
For real? on 07/07/2013 15:21:53 MDT Print View

You guys must strongly believe in the power of pepper spray, to interpret this story's spraying as effective when the bear continues to attack "undeterred" (in the words of the report) after being sprayed. And apparently you also think the shotgun blast had little or no effect in breaking off the attack? This interpretation stretches credulity for me, but I understand that's one possible view...so...OK!

Obviously spray is much lighter in weight and thus much preferred for backpacking. And it doesn't require "fumbling around" to load, as the (apparently) unloaded shotgun did in this story.

You mention a person can deploy pepper spray "without even using your hands if necessary." How is that done?

Edited by Bolster on 07/07/2013 15:45:18 MDT.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: For real? on 07/07/2013 15:52:02 MDT Print View

"You mention a person can deploy pepper spray "without even using your hands if necessary." How is that done?"

Well, you have to carry it in a sling between your legs and train your penis, but it is doable....

Edited by idester on 07/07/2013 17:41:36 MDT.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
more info needed on 07/07/2013 17:35:56 MDT Print View

sounds like the guy carrying the shotgun didn't have bear spray (or decided not to use and went for the shotgun)????; got to wonder why would you carry a shotgun, presumably for bear protection as there aren't many hunting seasons open in July and not have it loaded????

lots of what ifs, but what if both individuals were carrying bear spray, both deployed them and both sprayed????

I'm frequently asked in the backcountry what I would use in a grizzly charge- my duty sidearm or the bear spray I'm also carrying- it's an easy one to answer for me, the bear spray- it's much easier to "hit" a charging bear w/ a wide aerosol pattern of bear spray than a bullet and unlike Hollywood, charging big critters (including humans) very seldom drop like a ton of bricks, they much more often keep going

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: bear spray AND gun used in bear encounter on 07/07/2013 18:44:29 MDT Print View

It is interesting to me that those who have lots of experience with Grizzlies and firearms see spray as the first line of defense. Maybe we should listen?

Philip Tschersich
(Philip.AK) - F

Locale: Kodiak Alaska
From the land of the big fuzzies on 07/07/2013 19:16:53 MDT Print View

I've lived on Kodiak Island Alaska for almost 25 years and have solo traveled thousands of miles here and throughout coastal Alaska. I only carry bear spray. Just sayin'.

Edited by Philip.AK on 07/07/2013 19:19:05 MDT.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
doesnt matter on 07/07/2013 19:54:04 MDT Print View

its all a moot point anyways cause the BPL bears never attack anyone .... they simply lounge around the forums looking cute ... that way you would never have to add the back breaking weight of that spray to your XUL spreadsheet

BPL bear =>



;)

Edited by bearbreeder on 07/07/2013 19:54:45 MDT.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
My Dear Mr. Vacco... on 07/07/2013 20:50:20 MDT Print View

My Dear Mr. Vacco,

With your disdain for firearms as protection against griz attack I hope you don't ever go into grizzly territory. Others with similar ideas have fared very poorly when attacked by Ursus Horribilis.

I have heard similar opinions from those who eschew firearms. As the saying goes, "a Democrat is a Republican who has never been mugged." (Well, I AM a Democrat but I carry and I hunt. I see no conflict there.

Addendum:
I see from others' posts that you have travelled extensively in grizzly territory, likely carrying bells and bear spray. I bow to your experience, having only faced down black bears myself - with the largest canister of bear spray I could buy.

And, upon closer reading of your post I see you do know that a "Kevlar stocked .338 (Win, mag.) would be comforting if stalked by a bear.

In light of this I retract my acid comment forthwith.
As Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say on SNL, "Never mind."

Edited by Danepacker on 07/08/2013 11:49:19 MDT.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
HYOH on 07/07/2013 21:29:57 MDT Print View

I didn't see that Peter had anything against guns per se. Actually, he said he liked guns and spoke fondly of a certain .338.

Mike is a Montana Game Warden.

I had caribou stew tonight. From Adak in the Aleutians which I schlepped out from the hunt last Fall.

One can appreciate guns as tools for certain tasks, look at the evidence of scores of bear encounters and conclude that I, personally, am going to carry spray (if anything) and make a lot of noise (always).

No one is telling you not to carry a gun. I'm always telling people to do whatever approach they want. HYOH. I'm not going to stop someone from bringing their grandfather's canvas umbrella tent. It's how I started camping. But I'll point out that a nylon dome tent, sil-nylon tarp, etc, is lighter and more effective. Cause it's a forum for discussion of various issues.

I've looked at published research, talked to lots of people (except for that patient of my wife's who squeezed off a rifle round, clipped some brown bear hairs and drew some blood because he was, well, dead from a chomped skull), and pondered all the grizzly experiences we've had and the ones we've avoided having.

For myself: Always noise. And being alert to my surroundings. Spray in a higher-threat time and place. Guns, for me, only if I'm going for some bear sausage, roast, etc. Like 6 weeks ago.

But to each their own.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: My Dear Mr. Vacco... on 07/07/2013 21:57:24 MDT Print View

Eric,

You may want to do a little research on Mr. Vacco, especially his experience with Grizzly and Polar bears. I think he was the first person to hike the Brooks range in Alaska; solo.

He is pretty modest so we don't know a lot about him.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: My Dear Mr. Vacco... on 07/08/2013 06:50:41 MDT Print View

"You may want to do a little research on Mr. Vacco, especially his experience with Grizzly and Polar bears."

+1 and then some

He's also a great drinking companion - wonderful stories, great sense of humor, an all around rascal. I'd love to do a trip with him some time.

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: My Dear Mr. Vacco... on 07/08/2013 09:30:20 MDT Print View

Doug, may I add "generous to a fault"

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Re: My Dear Mr. Vacco... on 07/08/2013 09:30:47 MDT Print View

"He's also a great drinking companion - wonderful stories, great sense of humor, an all around rascal. I'd love to do a trip with him some time."

I'd rather go drinking with him.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
""She was right there — arm's distance — I hit her with some bear spray," Braconnier recalled. Undeterred, the bear turned on Farkas, who was fumbling with a shotgun." on 07/08/2013 11:46:58 MDT Print View

so

bear spray, undeterred
shotgun, fumbled
people on ground, bear left

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: ""She was right there — arm's distance — I hit her with some bear spray," Braconnier recalled. Undeterred, the bear turned on Farkas, who was fumbling with a shotgun." on 07/08/2013 11:57:34 MDT Print View

Solution? Carry some camouflage fabric. When the bear charges throw it over you and hide. Should work... right?

Really it sounds like there is nothing that can adequately and reliably protect you from a grizzly that wants to kill you.

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
bear spray and... on 07/08/2013 21:31:56 MDT Print View

I am surprised no one here has mentioned using bear bells. Like the ones on pulling harnesses and leather door strips that let business know someone has opened the front door...just a big Christmas bell really.
I have used bells on my backpack for decades, (only in grizzly country) they are loud enough for the grizzlies to hear and it gives them time to leave the area before you even see/smell them. I used them on my pack horses and mules in Idaho and Montana and it kept the bears from causing pack train wrecks.

Michael Gillenwater
(mwgillenwater) - M

Locale: Seattle area
Re: bear spray AND gun used in bear encounter on 07/08/2013 23:15:07 MDT Print View

I've seen a number of similar bear encounter discussions here on BPL. A lot of anecdotal stories and claims. I'm no expert, but here is what I have found is a good thorough and digestible (its a in video format) source to learn what the research says on bear encounters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PExlT-5VU-Y

I carry bear spray in known bear country (e.g., in the Bob Marshall where I was last weekend and will be again this weekend). But save the weight where bears are less common.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Noise first. on 07/08/2013 23:53:16 MDT Print View

>"I have used bells on my backpack for decades, (only in grizzly country) "

Not that bringing a dog into bear brown bear country is a good idea, but. . . we put the bells on the dog. She runs about 3 times the miles that we walk and is a lot bouncier. The dog is THRILLED when we get the bells out, because it means she going some place fun.

Gerald L
(Mtngeronimo) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Re: bear spray AND gun used in bear encounter on 07/09/2013 19:07:11 MDT Print View

' I'm no expert, but here is what I have found is a good thorough and digestible (its a in video format) source to learn what the research says on bear encounters. '

Michael,
Appreciate the link. After watching this talk by Dr. Tom Smith I am now inclined towards carrying bear spray when traveling in bear country. In fact I live in bear country and have had numerous encounters with black bear. I have always been taught the 'get big' approach and have mistakenly taught this to others. While not necessarily the worst possible course of action I now feel better equipped for the next encounter.

Ian Van Halen
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: bear spray AND gun used in bear encounter on 07/09/2013 21:24:43 MDT Print View

Michael,

Outstanding video!

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
Bear spray... on 07/10/2013 00:15:09 MDT Print View

Ditching the bells and have ordered bear spray. Thanks for the video.
I had a bear almost walk right into me last month around a bend on a local trail. I was sitting down taking a break and the breeze was from him to me so he was completely unaware that I was there and I was sitting in the shade. It was high noon and the sun was very bright and hot, I am sure he was headed to a springbox on the trail nearby for a drink. I had just removed my left shoe and sock so I grabbed my sock and said "hi there"... Wish I had a camera, the look on that bears face was as close to "oh crap" as I have ever seen and he ran away uphill as fast as he could go luckily for me and him. I got my shoe on as fast as I could and headed down the trail away....laughing but thankful the encounter was harmless. We have a surprising amount of bears in our area and I had seen fresh tracks so I was aware they are here. But my encounter illustrated how very quickly a person can end up very close to a bear unintentionally.

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Bear spray works on 07/18/2013 18:09:11 MDT Print View

I think the account of the event PROVES that bear spray works and guns do not. The first hiker claimed that the bear was undeterred, but the bear stopped its attack on him AFTER he used the bear spray. The second hiker used a gun and the bear continued its attack on him.

I don't believe the bear was undeterred. It was most certainly deterred. It stopped its attack. That is what you want to happen.

The gun was ineffective in stopping the bear. It continued its attack.

Both of these encounters are consistent with other encounters.

I'm not anti-gun at all. I have shot lots and lots of different guns and still enjoy shooting. Not much of a hunter (only been once) though. Nothing against it, but I have enough hobbies.

BTW, a 12 gauge slug won't work either. Sure, the bear may die, but not before it attacks you first.

None of these are absolute and will happen all the time. The odds are just MUCH greater that it will happen the same way most of the time.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
A solid spray? on 07/18/2013 18:37:00 MDT Print View

I wonder how much spray the bear got in its face? She might have been deterred by the spray or simply shifted to the other "threat." She may not have even got a solid doze of spray.

There have been cases of bears needing to be sprayed multiple times. I believe this was why Ryan Jordan recommended bigger cans of bear spray in an old article. He seemed to prefer UDAP which comes out faster then Counter Assault. The theory UDAP has is that you want to get as much spray in the bear's face with one squirt. Sounds reasonable to me.

Anyway I'll be hiking with the biggest can of UDAP I could find tomorrow in prime grizzly country. That is my primary defense option but I'll be making noise to. And since I'm solo and in a bivy with a sticky zipper I have a light but potent "friend" along for nights only. I can't fire bear spray through a bivy. Call me paranoid but I've seen about a dozen grizzlies in the last week and I want to be able to sleep at night.

Edited by Cameron on 07/18/2013 18:40:37 MDT.

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Bear bells and pepper spray... on 07/18/2013 18:45:57 MDT Print View

Rangers are advising hikers to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter. They advise visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.

Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear's sensitive nose and it will run away.

It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat. Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper. :^)

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Does a bear poop in the woods? on 07/18/2013 21:58:39 MDT Print View

>"It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area."

The common response up here to "I saw bear scat." is "Was it warm?"

The common response to "Yes.", is "Was it steaming?!?"

If it hasn't dried out on top, I hold my hand close enough to feel any heat still emanating from it. Enquiring minds want to know.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Does a bear poop in the woods? on 07/18/2013 22:05:03 MDT Print View

How fresh does it need to be?

black bear

--B.G.--

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Bears: Use noise. And maybe spray. But not meat. on 07/19/2013 19:34:41 MDT Print View

I was catching up on the local newspaper from last month (AP June 18, 2013):

The Alaska Department of Fish and Game says a black bear that mauled a man at a campground north of Anchorage won't likely threaten other people.

Spokesman Ken Marsh told the Anchorage Daily News the bear was "pretty much goaded" into the attack Saturday near Eklutna Lake Campground because the man fed it meat from a church barbecue. He may be charged with illegally feeding wildlife, The Associated Press reported.

Alaska State Troopers spokeswoman Beth Ipsen says the man had been drinking and went for a bike ride, taking some of the food along. He came across the bear and threw it a piece of meat. When he offered the bear another piece, it attacked.

Park rangers later found the bloodied man washing himself off at the campground, Marsh said.

"He wasn't terribly coherent," he said. "He was unsure of where the attack actually happened."

The man was treated for punctures wounds and scratches at an Anchorage hospital. His name was not immediately released.

Authorities are still trying to sort out what happened, Ipsen said. There were no witnesses to the attack and the man struggled to convey what had happened when a trooper spoke with him at the hospital, she said.

A state biologist sent to the scene couldn't find the bear, Marsh said. There's no indication the animal will attack others.

Biologists advise people never to feed wild animals anything.

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
Bear mauling on 07/20/2013 11:49:41 MDT Print View

Sorry to hear that. He's lucky he didnt end up the main course instead of just providing appitizers! Sounds like you are getting an influx of greenhorns up there that will be self educating themselves.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Bear mauling on 07/20/2013 12:09:24 MDT Print View

"Sounds like you are getting an influx of greenhorns up there that will be self educating themselves"

Nah, just chemically dependent morons. They are in all 50 states.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Bears: Use noise. And maybe spray. But not meat. on 07/20/2013 14:14:16 MDT Print View

That wasn't a bear. Just some dude hiding in the woods, sniffing bath salts.

Barry P
(BarryP) - F

Locale: Eastern Idaho (moved from Midwest)
Re: bear spray AND gun used in bear encounter on 08/01/2013 17:32:12 MDT Print View

I was just reading an article about bear spray in my printed edition: http://www.backpacker.com/february-march-2013the-truth-about-bears-the-skills/survival/17302

“The efficacy of spray vs. guns was the subject of my most recent paper [published last year in the The Journal of Wildlife Management]. Out of 133 encounters involving bear spray, only three people suffered injuries, which were all minor. But I found 269 incidences of gun defenses—with 17 dead people and hundreds of dead bears.

If you shoot a grizzly in the Lower 48, you’re moron of the year. Most states require you to hike out the carcass,…”

I can see why people are saying spray is the least risk.

About bear bells: I noted from the Teton park Pamphlet: “Bear bells are often not sufficient. Calling out and clapping your hands at regular intervals are better ways to make your presence known.” Plus if one of my hiking companions has bells clanging while walking, I’ll kindly ask him/her to snuff it :)

-Barry
-The mountains were made for Tevas