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kevin campbell
(rockymtbiker) - F

Locale: Michigan
Best lightest pillow recommendations on 06/17/2013 23:17:08 MDT Print View

I put our packs together last year & our pillows just didn't do to good a job. They took up a good amount of weight & space in my pack & the bottom line was, they weren't very comfy. I ended up balling up my hiking cloths & pack to sleep on. Could have done that WITHOUT bringing & buying the "hiking" pillow in the first place. Was my biggest mistake in purchasing a pretty important piece of equipment last year, maybe my only mistake.

So, I'm getting new ones, now! Any recommendations will be looked at seriously. I need to sleep good & a good light pillow is a must. Air? I don't know. I'm all ears!

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
Goosefeet Pillow? on 06/17/2013 23:39:40 MDT Print View

Goosefeet makes a light down pillow. You could also use the Zpacks fleece lined stuff sack for your clothes as a pillow case. I have one and really like it with my extra layers inside. Last options I'd look at is the Montbell air pillow or for a few more ounces the lightest exped one. I think it's around 2.5.

Garth Collier
(garthc) - MLife

Locale: Singapore
Goosefeet Gear - lightweight pillow on 06/18/2013 04:58:16 MDT Print View

I just received the Goosefeet gear pillow Size Exped UL Large (14” x 21”) which weighs 2.7oz as I ordered it with 2oz of down. This pillow has a sleeve to fit the Exped UL large air pillow which weighs 1.9oz...total weight approx 4.6oz. it is very comfortable and i finally think i have cracked the issue of a lighweight comfortable pillow...Chad P did a great review which influenced my decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHGnHs5hw2s

Joel Benford
(Morte66)

Locale: Surrey flatlands, England
AGG on 06/18/2013 05:53:14 MDT Print View

I have an "AntiGravityGear Flex Air Utralight Pillow" inflatable which is basic but very light (under an ounce). I find it works well partly inflated in combination with a garment or two and some sort of pillowcase, but not so well on its own since it's sweaty plastic.

If you were carrying the other stuff anyhow, this would be a very light (and cheap) way to put some size and bounce into the overall "pillow system".

If not, you'd want something fancier and heavier.

Kevin Schneringer
(Slammer) - MLife

Locale: Oklahoma Flat Lands
Flex Air and memory foam on 06/18/2013 05:56:18 MDT Print View

I also went through many pillows and stuff sack style trying to find the "one".
I watched a video that Stick did on the Flex Air pillow and bought some.
They come in 3 packs and for the weight I always carry a second one as a backup.

Current combo-which is very comfy-is a small Flex Air and a 3/8" thick piece of memory foam that I snagged from the mattress store.
I made a pillow case out of a polyester sheet. Setup weighs 5 oz
Cut foam to match deflated deminsions of the Flex Air.

This set gives that pillow feel next to face with the ability to rais your head to different heights with air.

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Pillows on 06/18/2013 06:31:43 MDT Print View

I tried a bunch and wound up preferring the medium Exped Air Pillow. The Cocoon looked promising on paper, but was terrible in practice as were most inflatables, for me at least.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Pillows on 06/18/2013 06:46:25 MDT Print View

+1 for Exped medium. can adjust the amount of air for the firmness you want and at 3oz and the size of a wallet when folded up it packs easily.

Mark Dijkstra
(Markacd) - F
Pillow on 06/18/2013 06:49:53 MDT Print View

I use my Ortlieb 4L waterbag filled with air (water is usually too cold) wrapped in a fleece or T-shirt when I'm hiking. It's no extra weight because I carry those items anyway and I find it a very comfortable pillow.

Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F - M

Locale: norcal
ultra UL pillow on 06/18/2013 09:04:14 MDT Print View

I take my rain jacket and extra socks and throw them in my stuff sack and use that as a pillow.

I wear a down cap to keep my head warm. I wear my down jacket while I sleep too and flip up the cover.

That seems to work fine.

You could also train yourself to sleep on a thinner pillow if possible.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
can't believe it... on 06/18/2013 09:34:25 MDT Print View

that anyone from BP Lite would suffer the weight of packing a pillow :)

b

John Holmes
(jcholmes)

Locale: SouthEastern US
Blasphemous sinner on 06/18/2013 10:50:27 MDT Print View

I carry a Thermarest Lite Seat for on the trail and around camp seating. My butt thinks it's worth the 2.7 oz. At night I let out a little air, fold it in half, slip it into a myog pillow case made from a scrap of an old, thin, soft sheet and put it in my sleeping bag hood.
Perfect for me.
#dual-use

Edited by jcholmes on 06/18/2013 10:51:24 MDT.

Jeff Sims
(jeffreytsims) - MLife

Locale: So. Cal
Zpacks on 06/18/2013 10:51:24 MDT Print View

+ 1 on the Zpacks stuff sack. The weight penalty is minimal as my Hexamid shelter fits in there perfectly during the day and a couple of clothing articles fill it up at night

Edited by jeffreytsims on 06/18/2013 10:51:54 MDT.

Edward Jursek
(nedjursek@gmail.com) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Zpacks on 06/18/2013 11:09:58 MDT Print View

I just switched from the Exped pillow to the Zpacks pillow/stuff sack. I use the stuff sack to hold my sleeping cloths then stuff it with my trail cloths at night. I have used it for 5 nights so far and really like it. I also appreciate the multi-use simplicity and small weight savings.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - M

Locale: Southeast
Works for me on 06/18/2013 11:17:55 MDT Print View

I always found that down pillows offered no support & air pillows were like laying on bricks. I used a MYOG synthetic fill pillow for a while, but lately have been using a stuff sack filled with clothes. If you like a pillow with a lot of support, I recommend using the stuff sack version. It's the lightest pillow there is without laying on your shoes!

Ryan

Lapsley Hope
(Laps) - M
Exped on 06/18/2013 11:48:36 MDT Print View

...doesn't get much lighter or more practical.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Works for me on 06/18/2013 12:08:05 MDT Print View

Unless you don't carry clothes that aren't worn to bed. then you have nothing to put in the stuff sack.. can carry a lighter quilt/sleeping bag if you wear insulation to bed. multiuse etc.

3oz for an exped is well worth a good night sleep.

Richard Cullip
(RichardCullip) - M

Locale: San Diego County
Exped Works for me on 06/18/2013 12:19:02 MDT Print View

I've settled on a Exped Air Pillow UL which I put inside a buff to help keep it from sliding around and for a bit of extra comfort against my face.

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: Exped Works for me on 06/18/2013 12:29:10 MDT Print View

+1 for the Exped.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: can't believe it... on 06/18/2013 12:37:52 MDT Print View

"that anyone from BP Lite would suffer the weight of packing a pillow :)"

Wrong website This is them
http://www.bplite.com/

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
"Best lightest pillow recommendations" on 06/18/2013 13:23:43 MDT Print View

Exped blow up pillow placed in my sleeping bag stuff sack along with a down vest/jacket. Pillow on the bottom for support/volume; down on top. Very nice!

I put this little combo on the ground in front of my synmat. On top of the synmat would be too high for me.

Marc Shea
(FlytePacker) - F

Locale: Cascades
Re: "Best lightest pillow recommendations" on 06/18/2013 15:03:25 MDT Print View

+1 for the Large Exped UL Pillow. It packs down tiny and at 1.9oz, the quality of sleep is totally worth the weight. I wrap it in a fleece shirt for additional comfort and drool protection.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
lightest pillow on 06/18/2013 15:13:40 MDT Print View

is the one you leave at home :)

b

Mike R
(redpoint) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Therm-a-rest pillow case ... on 06/18/2013 15:18:16 MDT Print View

I can't justify the bulk of a pillow. Down pillows just aren't firm enough for me. 99% of my camping is done in the mountains so I always have a parka of some kind along with me. Therm-a-rest makes a lightweight, brushed synthetic pillow case that weighs nothing. I stuff my jacket into that bad boy ... and maybe some other items to increase firmness. This way, your bulky items [jacket] serve double duty.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - M

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Works for me on 06/18/2013 17:02:30 MDT Print View

"Unless you don't carry clothes that aren't worn to bed. then you have nothing to put in the stuff sack.. can carry a lighter quilt/sleeping bag if you wear insulation to bed. multiuse etc."

Now Jake, didn't we already decide in another thread that I take too many clothes? :) You hardcore folks could always just use leaves & pine needles to fill the stuff sack.

Ryan

Fitz Travels
(fitztravels) - F
Backpack on 06/18/2013 20:04:53 MDT Print View

The folded back top lid of my pack. I settle my head in between the crease of the backpack and the lid.

Its kinda comfortable after a while actually.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
rock on 06/18/2013 20:19:24 MDT Print View

I find a nice flat rock and that seems to work great as a pillow... but I don't carry it from camp to camp... find a new one at each camp... :)

bill

kevin campbell
(rockymtbiker) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: Re: Works for me on 06/18/2013 22:50:00 MDT Print View

I like the leaves and pine cones idea! Pine needles might be softer...

kevin campbell
(rockymtbiker) - F

Locale: Michigan
getting closer on 06/18/2013 22:59:01 MDT Print View

I'm a side sleeper, as is my wife. Something on the lines of one of the air filled pillows WITH a soft surface on top, maybe the down idea OR something. Not sure.

I may have to invent something, like the fella that used the FlexAir and then cut out some padding off a bed & stuck it all in a pillow case. We shall see!

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: getting closer on 06/19/2013 02:58:14 MDT Print View

http://luxurylite.com/pillowindex.html

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Stuff sack with7 or 8 ziplocks on 06/19/2013 06:13:55 MDT Print View

I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet. Traditional complaints from LW backpackers - not enough clothes, especially puffy jacket - to fill stuff sack on cold nights, and air pillows too balloon-like and heavy. Try the tip from Mike Clelland's great little book - possibly the only tip in there that really shocked me (except what he does with perfectly good river rocks).

This is simple and brilliant - bring a number of essentially weightless quart-sized zip-lock bags, fill them with air before you go to bed, and stuff them in a stuff sack. The multiple bags solves the problem of being too balloon-like nicely creating a nice yielding cradle for your head. Very comfy, and really the bags do hold the air! Clelland goes a little hard-core hobo with it and uses one of those onion/potato plastic net sack from the grocery store for this, but I prefer one of those fleece covered nylon jobs that doubles as a clothes bag (1.7 oz for me). When you do have extra clothes you can use them in the bag as well. Mix and match to you own tastes, but you will always have an alternative right there, even when it is cold and you have to wear your puffy jacket. All of this for essentially no weight and volume, but you can count the fleece cover (fraction of an oz) as extra if you want.

Please try it out before you poo poo it - you can test it for free with at home without any trouble. I thought it was nuts, and it pretty much works for me as well as any more bulky pillow. Now I pretty much can't imagine a better, more flexible solution.

Edited by millonas on 06/19/2013 06:20:46 MDT.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: getting closer on 06/19/2013 06:31:05 MDT Print View

I seem to have found my nirvana with the exped large UL pillow stuffed in a down pillow case from goose feet. Stick mentioned it on his blog and after seeing that I just had to try it. It is literally unbelievable how small that exped pillow stuffs down (ever so slightly larger than my thumb) and I just stuff the down case in with my quilt - dont even notice them.

How all you young whipper snapper can sleep on your shoes or what not ill never understand. Just call me when the rheumatiz sets in....then we'll talk...

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: Works for me on 06/19/2013 07:01:54 MDT Print View

"Now Jake, didn't we already decide in another thread that I take too many clothes? :) You hardcore folks could always just use leaves & pine needles to fill the stuff sack."

clearly i'm not hardcore, i carry a 2-3oz pillow as a convenience/luxury item. Even when i wasn't UL i never had enough clothes to make a good pillow.. i used to bring one of the old thermarest travel pillows. I sleep on my side and need something firmer than clothes anyway.

Eli Zabielski
(ezabielski) - F

Locale: Boulder, CO
Platy Bottle on 06/19/2013 07:39:18 MDT Print View

Probably the least comfortable thing mentioned, but you can use a 70oz Platypus bottle, filled with 3/4 air and 1/4 water (to weigh it down). I put that on top of my shoes. It works when I don't have extra clothing to spare, and my pack needs to go under my legs.

David Poston
(dgposton) - F - M

Locale: Texas / Colorado
Cloudrest or Goosefeet on 06/19/2013 08:22:07 MDT Print View

I have two WM Cloudrest pillows and they weigh in at 4.0 oz once you cut off the stuff sack with drawcord. I think these come with 3.5 oz down.

I'm thinking of ordering a Goosefeet down pillow with 2.5 oz of down. This would hopefully get me a pillow under 3.0 oz. Since I'm a back sleeper, I don't need that much down in my pillow.

I've tried all sorts of air-inflated pillows but to no avail. They are just too bouncy. I must admit that I haven't tried Mike Clelland's rig yet.

The advantage, it seems, of a down pillow is that it might provide you extra insulation if using a quilt. People talk of stuffing insulation in a stuff sack, but if you are a UL backpacker you are already wearing it to bed.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
OpSak on 06/19/2013 09:24:01 MDT Print View

The preferred rocks, pine cones, and pine needles aside...

if you take an OpSak for odor control (I know that they are controversial for odor control, you can fill one up with air, zip it shut and use it for an air pillow. If you don't like the plastic texture, put it inside a stuff sack.

In my case, there are things I can't fit inside my bear canister that are not terribly smelly, but as a precaution I put them in an OpSak... like unscented sunscreen, Dr Bronner's unscented, First Aid kit, etc...

Bill

kevin campbell
(rockymtbiker) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Stuff sack with7 or 8 ziplocks on 06/19/2013 10:04:12 MDT Print View

I just got done doing this option & it won't work for me. Was excited to test it, as it sounded great. Just wasn't going to happen. I did several fine tuning adjustments too, as to not sell it short.

"This is simple and brilliant - bring a number of essentially weightless quart-sized zip-lock bags, fill them with air before you go to bed, and stuff them in a stuff sack. The multiple bags solves the problem of being too balloon-like nicely creating a nice yielding cradle for your head. Very comfy, and really the bags do hold the air! Clelland goes a little hard-core hobo with it and uses one of those onion/potato plastic net sack from the grocery store for this, but I prefer one of those fleece covered nylon jobs that doubles as a clothes bag (1.7 oz for me). When you do have extra clothes you can use them in the bag as well. Mix and match to you own tastes, but you will always have an alternative right there, even when it is cold and you have to wear your puffy jacket. All of this for essentially no weight and volume, but you can count the fleece cover (fraction of an oz) as extra if you want."

Randy Martin
(randalmartin) - F

Locale: Colorado
Re: getting closer on 06/19/2013 11:52:34 MDT Print View

"Something on the lines of one of the air filled pillows WITH a soft surface on top, maybe the down idea OR something. Not sure.

I may have to invent something, like the fella that used the FlexAir and then cut out some padding off a bed & stuck it all in a pillow case. We shall see!"

It's been invented already by a guy on BPL and I bought one here http://www.etsy.com/shop/HikeBikeDale

The fleece pulls on to my Exped Air Pillow and straps to my sleeping pad. Fabulous and comfortable.

Matt Dirksen
(NamelessWay) - MLife

Locale: Mid Atlantic
down jacket on 06/19/2013 12:00:46 MDT Print View

I've been very happy using a Golite Bitterroot down jacket as my pillow. It has a nice sized interior drop pocket (made out of mosquito netting), which compresses the jacket just right to be a pillow.

If I am not using this (or wearing it), I steal a down pillow off the bed at home.

A second pillow over my head masks out all the nighttime noises, and makes for the perfect sleep every time.

At the end of the day, why not bring the actual thing your head is "familiar" with?

kevin campbell
(rockymtbiker) - F

Locale: Michigan
Can't do that Matt... on 06/20/2013 00:41:16 MDT Print View

"At the end of the day, why not bring the actual thing your head is "familiar" with?"


Matt, my buckweat hull pillow here at home weighs a ton! I'd need another pack to haul it in with, it is big. So, I'm stuck trying to make something.


I do know this, I don't see any sort of air pillow working. I tried a few versions today & they all had the same uneasy movement about them. I'm going to go test out a Exped Air Pillow UL at MooseJaw in the next day or so, and if it isn't any different, I'm heading towards something firm. Not sure what, but I'll find it, I know that.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: Stuff sack with7 or 8 ziplocks on 06/20/2013 10:34:14 MDT Print View

"I just got done doing this option & it won't work for me. "

Pillows and shoes are thing that are very personal. Glad you at least tried the method. If it works for someone it is hard to imagine a lighter, cheaper and less bulky solution, but it is not going to work for a lot of people.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
Exped + Buff + Shirt on 06/20/2013 10:57:08 MDT Print View

I get a great nights sleep with a less than fully inflated Exped (better feel)covered by a Buff in which I stuff a shirt or base layer into for a better cushion.

Josh Brock
(needsAbath)

Locale: Outside
thermarest pillow on 06/20/2013 11:34:56 MDT Print View

They have one that is a synthetic fill. I love it I have tried several air pillows and the cloths/stuff sack/ backpack thing. but now I carry no extra cloths at all. this pillow is perfect. It has good support is soft to the touch. Its a tad heavy but for me so worth the great nights sleep.

Jim W.
(jimqpublic) - MLife

Locale: So-Cal
Neoair Pillow? on 06/28/2013 11:23:38 MDT Print View

Have any of you tried the Neoair Pillow? I got a Cocoon pillow for my wife and I gave it a try also- seems nice for side sleeping (me) but a bit rolly for back sleeping (her).

Thinking of the Neoair with a thin fleece cover on top. Wondering if it would be noisy as has been reported with the pads. Also trying to decide on the small, which could go inside my sleeping bag hood, or medium which would go outside and also be useful as a seat.

We're inside four weeks until a monthlong family backpack trip, so prepping is ramping up! Thanks in advance. Jim

Edited by jimqpublic on 06/28/2013 11:28:40 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
neo on 06/28/2013 12:02:29 MDT Print View

I use a small neoair, only 1.9oz, nice and simple and cheap 20$ at camp saver right now.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: Neoair Pillow? on 06/28/2013 12:14:45 MDT Print View

I tried the NeoAir pillow, thinking that since I love the mattress so much, the pillow would be nice and supportive. Long story short, I didn't like it, no matter what inflation level it was at. It always felt like a hard balloon.

For comfort, the best pillow I have tried is the Klymit Kush. It's heavy (mine is 3.1 oz), but I plan on cutting it down some in the next few days, so we'll see how much I can shave off.

Jim W.
(jimqpublic) - MLife

Locale: So-Cal
Re: Re: Neoair Pillow? on 06/28/2013 15:39:18 MDT Print View

Thanks guys. I ordered both Small and Medium Neoair from CampSaver. Figured one for my daughter and one for me. If we don't like them they go back.

kevin campbell
(rockymtbiker) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Neoair Pillow? on 06/28/2013 17:26:05 MDT Print View

I was MooseJaw last week, and I got right on the ground with a neoair mattress & the neoair pillow. Just not enough height in that pillow. It is a few inches to short. It was very stable, and I tried to figure a way to make it work, but in the end, it was to short for my liking.