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Brian Phillips
(Fleab) - MLife

Locale: The Flat Lands
Klymit Inertia X Wave on 06/04/2013 16:44:37 MDT Print View

Anybody have any experience with the Inertia X Wave? I like the thought of a 3/4 pad with 25" of width but wonder if it will be comfortable for a full time stomach sleeper. Any input would be appreciated.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
weight on 06/05/2013 01:44:25 MDT Print View

Weight?

Brian Phillips
(Fleab) - MLife

Locale: The Flat Lands
Weight on 06/05/2013 07:03:35 MDT Print View

195 lbs. I have been reading up on these pads and it seems the pockets were designed for sleeping bag use. I use a quilt and wonder if the cut outs would make me cold. Does anyone use this or any of the Klymit pads with a quilt?

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Klymit static v on 06/05/2013 09:10:51 MDT Print View

I don't have any experience with the one you're taking about, but I do use and love my static V. I think the x wave may be too thin for comfortable stomach sleeping. The static V is 2.5" thick, and very comfortable to sleep on in any position. I shortened mine a little by just running an iron over where I wanted the seams and cut the excess.

Roger B
(rogerb) - MLife

Locale: Here and there
Re: Klymit static v on 06/05/2013 09:13:50 MDT Print View

@An-D I had been thinking of doing this as well. How much did you shorten yours? and do you have any other tips re shortening?

Edited by rogerb on 06/05/2013 11:29:08 MDT.

Brian Phillips
(Fleab) - MLife

Locale: The Flat Lands
Re: Klymit static v on 06/05/2013 10:11:00 MDT Print View

I might be missing something but the specs on the X Wave list the thickness at 2.5" as well. Are you using your Static V with a bag or quilt?

Corbin Camp
(heycorb) - F

Locale: Southeast
2.5 on 06/05/2013 10:24:16 MDT Print View

per Klymit's site it is 2.5". I have the full size Interia XL and it's 1.5". You can sleep anyway you want fairly well. Yes, it's built more for bags. A quilt would be a little cold to use without a CCF pad on top. I use a quilt with my Static V and it works great. Still wish Klymit would add a little R-value to it.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Klymit static v on 06/05/2013 10:25:16 MDT Print View

I have a Static V but am looking to switch to a Neoair xlite for a bit more R value with my quilt (would trade if anyone was interested) I am a side sleeper and the neoair "holds" it's thickness better.

Roger B
(rogerb) - MLife

Locale: Here and there
Re: 2.5 on 06/05/2013 11:41:11 MDT Print View

I do not trust the Klymit site, they state the weight of their Insulated Static V as 709 gm, the one I weighed was 803 gms. According to their EU distributor the thickness of the X wave is 1.5" see (http://www.sce-consulting-equipment.com/onlineshop/camping-pads/inertia-wave-recon-detail.html) In my view the X wave is very similar to a cut down Inertia XL as shown in the video on how to shorten the Inertia XL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikipu5LAzHk

Edited by rogerb on 06/05/2013 11:52:13 MDT.

Brian Phillips
(Fleab) - MLife

Locale: The Flat Lands
Klymit discrepancy on 06/05/2013 14:02:20 MDT Print View

I just noticed on the Klymit site that they list the thickness for the Inertia X Wave as 2.5" or 3.8 cm. 3.8 cm is obviously the equivalent of 1.5". I noticed the same mistake on several retailer sites including campmor. I sent an email to Klymit product support so we will see what they come back with.

Corbin Camp
(heycorb) - F

Locale: Southeast
Klymit on 06/05/2013 15:28:26 MDT Print View

Looks like they have some sloppy updates to their site. I've seen that before with them. Not sure what the deal is. I haven't had any problems with my Static V. I never bottom out on it. I looked at the Xlite but couldn't justify the triple cost on a 2 oz difference for the large. Regular NeoAirs are too narrow IMO. They have a better R value but most of my trips don't need anything beyond the 1.3 the Static V has.

Brian Phillips
(Fleab) - MLife

Locale: The Flat Lands
Klymit on 06/05/2013 15:54:24 MDT Print View

I agree that the regular Neo Airs are too narrow. I own a large Neo simply for the 25" width. I don't need the length which is what is driving me towards the Inertia X Wave. The thought of saving 8.1 oz for $79 got my attention right away.

Gabriel Rhoads
(gkrdesigns) - M

Locale: Wasatch Range
X Wave thickness on 06/05/2013 17:05:04 MDT Print View

Sorry for the confusion folks,

We need to get that corrected on the Klymit site. The X Wave is 2 inches thick at the side rails and 1.5 inches thick in the body region. It is 10.5 oz.

On the retail floor, we typically sell 3/4 pads at a fractional rate when compared to our full size pads. It has been fantastic to see the through hiker response to the X Wave, however. The concept of a "luxury 3/4" at 26 inches wide and 10.5 oz seems to be appealing to the 50 plus nights a year crowd. At every trail festival we attended this year the X Wave sold out first. The tossing and turning room is unmatched. John Abela deserves credit as he requested this configuration first, and as we moved forward from the initial concept we added a very gradual taper, making the pad feel more like a full size pad with no ledge that your leg drops off like other 3/4 pads. We also added the wave sections as they give side sleepers a soft spot for their knees, which to fast hikers and bike packers translates to much less IT band soreness and thus less maintenance. There is simply no need to put things under your legs except on the coldest nights with the X Wave.

As far as sleeping on any of our body mapped Inertia Pads with a quilt you have Ryan Jordan of BPL (X lite with Nunatak), Shawn Forry, current CT record holder on an (X lite and quilt), Ron from Mountain Laurel uses this config, most of the Klymit guys use this config, and several other unsponsored outdoor athletes also use this config. All of our Inertia pads easily go down to below freezing with this setup. Most quilts cover the peripheral loft pockets that may see convective heat loss, and it takes a massive amount of movement on the pad to lose warmth from the centralized loft pockets. Below 20 F just use a 3/4 lenght 1/8 inch evazote(with the quilt system). That only adds 2.6 oz. Below zero we strongly recommend a sleeping bag. You get a pad that minimizes sweat back on hot nights but still goes down to 20 easily with a 20 degree quilt.

I realize there has been a huge amount of conjecture here. I support it, and empathize. The loft pockets started out as cutouts, and these cutouts were made under the primary volition of weight savings. The realization of their warmth was not without a huge amount of surprise and excitement. It seems intuitively accurate that the loft pockets would not capture heat without insulation, but after many testing nights TRYING to get cold, I can only say that the real world use verdict is in: We have yet to have someone report that they were too cold on a properly functioning X Frame, XL, or X lite above 10 Fahrenheit (with a sleeping bag or quilt rated to the conditions). We have scoured the world for a review of someone saying they had frozen, or packed up early, or had a suffer night. The only negatives are if someone does not fit the strike zone dimensions and has a body part come in direct contact with the cold ground. In fact, if someone has an experience that they did get cold on an Inertia pad we want to hear all about it...we look at negative feedback as the opportunity to make our products better.

In August we MIGHT just have a camping pad coming out that combines the comfort and strike profile of the Static V and the versatility of loft pockets...at 21 inches wide...with a built in 4 inch pillow...in a 11 oz full size pad....Maybe ;)

Sorry again for having the wrong specs up on the X Wave,

Happy Trails,

Bodhi

Brian Phillips
(Fleab) - MLife

Locale: The Flat Lands
Re: X Wave thickness on 06/05/2013 18:14:13 MDT Print View

Thank you for the response. I just placed an order for an X Wave and am anxious to see how it works. Regardless of outcome I am thrilled that someone offers a 3/4 length pad in a wide width. Thanks again!

Brian

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
shortening klymit on 06/05/2013 20:39:25 MDT Print View

The x-wave is just a shortened inertia XL, so it's 1.5" I use my klymit with a quilt, and if it's cold, i use a 1/8" ccf pad with it down close to freezing.

To shorten: Deflate and keep the valve open. Mark out where you want to shorten and cut it... remember, it'll be shorter when you inflate it, so cut it a section longer. I shortened mine by a few V sections, as I'm only 5'6" and didn't need the full 72" This brought it down to 14 oz. For shorter ones, just continue to "Weld" the V secion where you want it cut. I'll post pictures later.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
yay on 06/07/2013 00:23:15 MDT Print View

I'm considering getting one to use with a 1/8th pad, and my backpack at the feet. It seems better than ccf and les bulk. It's the ten ounce stayed weight before the hand pump? Also will I be able to use this pad with my head hanging off the top resting on a Klymit Cush pillow?

Or will the built in pillow get in the way?

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: yay on 06/08/2013 07:22:27 MDT Print View

So am I to assume that this has pretty much no R-value? And in at least the summer/shoulder seasons, is that really adequate? Or is it intended to be used with a foam pad?

Tom Lyons
(towaly) - F

Locale: Smoky Mtns.
Re: Re: yay on 06/08/2013 08:24:58 MDT Print View

It has some R value, but I have seen no testing on what the exact amount is for that particular pad variant.

BPL did some scientific testing on the Klymit X-Frame pad variant, and found that it varied from about R2 on the inflatable sections, to about R2.8 on the "holes" between the inflatable sections, proving that the "holes" actually do work. The BPL testing also showed that the "holes" also had the effect of making the pad VERY specific about what size people can fit on it for best results. Not everyone fits on this pad properly.
However, the X-Wave has much more inflated area and seemingly fewer "holes", so it would seem likely to be able to fit a wider range of people because of that.

I personally use the small Klymit X-Lite variant, and I happen to have a body size which fits it well, and I think it's an awesome pad that is comfortable and warm and very light and packs really tiny.

In winter conditions it can be paired with a thin CCF pad, and I use a GG Thinlite CCF 3/16" pad with mine in winter temps, under my WM Alpinlite.
I'd also like to point out that in winter temps you can put the Klymit X-Lite or X-Frame pads INSIDE your sleeping bag, and this virtually eliminates the conductive heat losses to the outside air, because your pad is inside the bag with you, staying warm. That makes a big difference in how "warm" the pad feels. And the "loft pockets"(holes) allow your sleeping bag to loft up a bit inside the loft pockets, so you get the benefit of your down bag underneath you to some extent, which also helps a lot.
I use the 3/16" CCF pad outside the sleeping bag, underneath the bottom, as an extra layer between me and the ground, and I put a HeetSheets reflective ground sheet under it all.

Edited by towaly on 06/08/2013 08:35:52 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
yay on 06/08/2013 09:50:02 MDT Print View

Would anyone recommend against getting a pillow and using the pillow directly on the ground, this will increase pad length for body.

will the built in get in the way and be uncomfortable?

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 06/12/2013 13:17:52 MDT Print View

Bump, I wonder how the comfort is compared to a foam Ridgerest too.