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Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Leki vs. BD on 05/29/2013 18:49:31 MDT Print View

If you extend the BD poles until you have the word stop just exposed you have a usable length of 53 inches. There is still a good amount of pole still inside the next section. I would not hesitate to use them extended this far, or slightly longer even, for pitching a shelter.

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
BD usable length; Anyone have any experience with the Leki flick locks? on 05/29/2013 22:05:12 MDT Print View

When extended fully to the stop line, is there enough length of the fully extended pole within the next pole to keep the pole rock steady (not wobbly at all) when walking with it as well as when using to support a shelter?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: BD usable length on 05/29/2013 22:14:03 MDT Print View

There is only about 2 inches left in the shaft when stop is exposed. Plus the plastic slider/guide thing at the end of the section.

I would not.

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
Leki length; Anyone try the Leki flick locks? Bueller? Bueller? on 05/30/2013 20:52:22 MDT Print View

The Leki's may have the advantage in length (my AL Leki twist lock poles are totally solid at 135cm).

Wish there was some feedback on their new flick lock models.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F

Locale: NW Montana
Re: Leki length; Anyone try the Leki flick locks? Bueller? Bueller? on 05/30/2013 23:02:47 MDT Print View

The Leki Speedlocks weigh about twice what the BD Flicklocks do (the 2012 versions at least). The Leki locks come in at about an ounce per lock, where as the BD locks are more like half an ounce (15-16 grams on my scale).

I haven't pulled off the new BD Flicklock design to weigh it, but I'll assume that it's marginally lighter. Regardless, I find that it holds very, very well, even when bushwhacking.

I do like my Leki Aergon poles, but they aren't as stiff as the BD poles. To keep the same or similar weight, it comes out of the aluminum section because of how heavy the locks themselves are.

FWIW, I just bought a pair of BD Traverse ski poles, removed everything but the aluminum sections with attached flicklocks, put on Leki baskets and Gossamer Gear grips, and the weight came out very reasonable. 8 oz per pole, and they extend up to 60" for pitching the Duomid under a variety of conditions. Not bad for something that weighs less than the BD Carbon Cork and has a much longer usable length.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
BD pole mods on 05/31/2013 09:25:11 MDT Print View

Clayton, how'd you get the BD grips off?

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F

Locale: NW Montana
Re: BD pole mods on 05/31/2013 20:50:36 MDT Print View

I put a pot of boiling water on and then held them in for 2-3 minutes. They twisted right off after that.

Originally, I planned to do something like the pole you put together last summer with some spare Leki pieces I had leftover from a warranty claim. But they weren't the right size for the Probe lower, and the Traverse poles were only $80 and would go a few inches higher (I like to sink my tip into the ground for better stability).

Given the weights of the Leki pieces, I figured I could get them down from 300 g to 225. The poles weigh 227 and 228 respectively.

Edited by GlacierRambler on 05/31/2013 21:31:16 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
BD Alpine Carbon Cork on 06/01/2013 08:18:24 MDT Print View

I had the Alpine Carbon Cork poles last summer, but found them a bit sluggish to use after coming from an 8oz/set pair of GG LT4 poles. A 16oz/set pole doesn't whip around as effortlessly for my tastes.

I highly recommend the new Locus Gear CP2 FL poles, which seem to sell out really quickly every batch. They're beautifully made 3 piece carbon poles with flick locks and weigh 9.9oz/set with the straps off. They also sell a twist lock version but hold out for the flick locks. Only small con is I prefer the larger diameter GG LT4 grips. They extend to 53", but the stop allowances seem quite generous - I run them at about 55" in my DuoMid.

Clayton: Do you think the GG grips could be worked onto a pole that was a few mm larger in diameter than the LT4's?

Locus Gear

Edited by dandydan on 06/01/2013 08:19:54 MDT.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F

Locale: NW Montana
Re: BD Alpine Carbon Cork on 06/01/2013 17:48:18 MDT Print View

Dan, I don't think you'd have any problems with it. The Traverse upper is 16mm in diameter, the same as the CP2 poles. The Kork O' Lon stuff is pretty stretchy.

I used Gorilla Glue for my grips, and the first one took a lot of work to get on. Since the glue needs water to activate, I lightly wet the tip of the pole, spread the glue around there, and worked the grip on. It took maybe 10-15 minutes of pretty continuous pressure.

On the second pole, I forgot to put the water on before the glue, so I sloshed some around inside the grip and shook it out. This time, the grip slid right on with far less work.

Here's a thread where others have gotten the GG grips on 18mm poles too: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=75235

Edited by GlacierRambler on 06/01/2013 17:52:44 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Grips on 06/01/2013 17:54:54 MDT Print View

Thanks. I appreciate the info. I'll likely give it a go at some point. It's just too bad GG wants $30 to ship a 2oz pair of grips to Canada.

Edited by dandydan on 06/01/2013 17:59:15 MDT.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Locus Gear flip locks... on 06/02/2013 20:24:20 MDT Print View

Are no more.

I emailed the company to ask about when they'd be back in stock and Jotaro said they were making some design changes and had no idea when they would be offering them again.

So sad....

Why aren't these nice poles ever in stock anywhere??

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
BD carbon corks on 06/03/2013 08:30:00 MDT Print View

I took the BD carbon corks backpacking again this weekend. As previously mentioned, I've gone bushwhacking with them and never had any concerns of the 2013 flip locks being pulled open. The trail we were on this weekend had numerous sections where the brush was growing over the trail and I had to push through it. I paid more attention to the flip locks to see if the brush would pull them open and nada.

You can't adjust the position of the highest lock is but you can with the lower one. It's possible that he had the lock lever facing forward where it would catch on brush. I don't know if that would be a problem but it's easy to prevent. I'm also wondering if he had a defective pair? I don't have any reason to sell one version over another but so far the concerns seem to be unfounded.

What I can say is that I had a very ungraceful moment on the trail where I was on the express elevator to the ground. I'm a pretty big guy and I threw a lot of weight and force onto my poles to keep me from redecorating my face. They lived up to their bomber reputation.