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Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System?
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Derrick White
(miku) - MLife

Locale: Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada
Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System? on 05/23/2013 08:22:17 MDT Print View

I am taking a hard look at this system notwithstanding its price. Are there any BPLers with extended use of this tent? I have read the review and note the downside of price and low head room but am curious to hear someone who has used it for a while.



Derrick White
(miku) - MLife

Locale: Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada
Guess Not on 05/24/2013 04:48:45 MDT Print View

I hope the lack of replies is not indicative of its lack of use. Hmmmm


Robert Meurant
(rmeurant) - MLife
Hmmmm on 05/24/2013 04:50:48 MDT Print View

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...

Ken T.
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: All up in there
Re: Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System? on 05/24/2013 06:35:37 MDT Print View

Dude. It's been one day.relax. It's also Friday of a big holiday weekend. Maybe some of these shelters will get used this weekend.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife

Re: Re: Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System? on 05/24/2013 08:17:02 MDT Print View

@Ken, actually he only gave it 20 hours ;)

Regarding the shelter...

It is the most bombproof cuben fiber shelter on the market.

Issues some hikers might have with it:

It is a two person shelter with a single door.

It has a low amount of headroom (I spent months working with HMG, with multiple prototype inserts, trying to fix this and the only solutions were not viable)

It is considerably heavier than other two person shelter

It is one of (the(??)) most expensive two person shelter in the cottage industry. (ref

All that said, what you will get in a HMG ECHO II is one truly bombproof two person shelter. It is probably the only two person cuben fiber shelter that I would take into truly adverse four season conditions. The closest competition to it would be a MLD TrailStar with 2 person insert.

+John Abela

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System? on 05/24/2013 09:24:29 MDT Print View

You might ask Chris Wallace ,I know did own one, here is what he said 3 years ago.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System? on 05/24/2013 09:56:40 MDT Print View

What are you planning to use it for? Conditions? A couple or two male friends?

Duane Hall
(PKH) - M

Locale: Nova Scotia
Echo II on 05/24/2013 13:17:47 MDT Print View

I have one, and I'm about to start on an entire summer's hike with the thing. If you can live with the cost, this is a fine shelter. John Abela's comments about shelter height notwithstanding (he is taller than me - I am 5'8" - this is a palatial shelter for one person, and as he says: It is bombproof. I am from your neck of the woods - more or less - and I certainly understand the Newfoundland climate (and Newfoundland bugs). Two pounds plus pegs is not a heavy shelter for our typical conditions. I do recommend eight inch stakes for the front, rear and corners of the tarp as a good taut pitch can place a good deal of tension on the lines. Hope this has helped.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Any One Using HMG ECHO II Ultralight Shelter System? on 05/24/2013 13:52:52 MDT Print View

I don't have the Echo II, but I have the Echo I.

If I had to say anything negative about it, I would say that the cuben fiber material is slightly heavier than it needs to be. Even if it was a thinner piece, that would not have a great effect on the overall weight.


Derrick White
(miku) - MLife

Locale: Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada
Thanks on 05/28/2013 12:24:37 MDT Print View

Thanks all for the reply and apologies for the impatience - didn't realize it was less than a day before I bumped.

Chris - I plan to use it primarily for solo expedition trips but have a trip where 2 males would use it for 2-3 weeks. Re conditions, it is would be 3 seasons and sometimes very buggy environments. I am convinced of it durability by the comments here and elsewhere and also my experience with other HMG gear (I have an Expedition Pack). I guess my biggest concerns are the height issue (I am 6'1 with a long torsoe - short legs) and the fact that the tent seems to be somewhat open and wonder how air movement would impact its warmth.

John - thanks for the input. I read your review and it was helpful.

Duane - ever get to Newfoundland for hiking?


John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife

Re: Thanks on 05/28/2013 12:28:56 MDT Print View

If you are 6'1 you will likely hit your head on the inner - especially if you use inflatable sleeping pads.

The wind movement inside of the shelter is not bad. The sidewalls on the inner are fairly high, plus the foot end is a solid pieces of material and you have the beak on the other side.

In those conditions when there is truly bone-chilling cold wind blowing, just angle the tarp into a more narrow pitch and it will close off a lot of the open spacing (just like any a-frame tarp). You will lose more headroom but such is the nature of a-frame tarps.

+John Abela

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Thanks on 05/28/2013 12:46:10 MDT Print View

I wouldn't use the inner for 2 big guys. It's fine for a couple that sleeps close or maybe one person and a dog and palatial for one person alone.

Greg Whalin
(gwhalin) - MLife

Locale: NYC
Re: Re: Thanks on 06/05/2013 23:44:52 MDT Print View

I have been using it for few months now. My only complaint is headroom. It is definitely not a shelter where I feel comfortable sitting up in it (I am 5'11"). Other than that, I am a fan. Plenty of room for 2 and feels downright spacious when I am solo.