New Momentum in gear list
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Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
New Momentum in gear list on 05/11/2007 23:50:13 MDT Print View

Hello all,
I have been updating my gear list with some gear made by Momentum.

All of the clothing plans came from Thru-Hiker, (Thanks Ayce).
Some are heavily modified from the original plans and they have all been cut to fit me perfectly.


The new gear is lighter than any clothing combo I will ever hiked with.

I have also tested the gear down to 25* and was actually was warming up when I went in 3 hours later.


My new 1/2 bag is very warm and is
40" X 48" (12.5 oz)

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The Liberty Ridge Jacket (2.2 oz)

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These are a 4-pocket cargo shorts with legs that are detachable (2.6 oz total)

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This is a Liberty Ridge Pant that is insulated
(6.8 oz)

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Again a L/R Jacket but insulated
(8.2 oz)

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I have had some of this gear together for a while now and have used them enough to know that I absolutely love them.

This is also an updated list to the gear I will be taking on this summers JMT Record Attempt.

Edited by awsorensen on 05/13/2007 21:47:00 MDT.

Stuart Burke
(burkest) - F

Locale: Collegiate Peaks Wilderness
Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/12/2007 11:50:52 MDT Print View

Aaron,

What is the crescent shaped slit in your half bag for? Also is the half bag for your upper or lower body?

Wayne Sewake
(wsewake) - F

Locale: Southern California
Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/13/2007 13:19:47 MDT Print View

Hi Aaron, great looking gear. Im getting ready to make my first sewing project, a synthetic quilt with Momentum and Climashied XP. My dumb question is which side of the Momentum is the top? The shiny side or the dull side? does one side feels better next to the skin? Thanks for any information you can pass on,
Wayne
aka Tortoise

Stuart Burke
(burkest) - F

Locale: Collegiate Peaks Wilderness
Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/13/2007 15:45:13 MDT Print View

Wayne,

The Shiny side of your momentum is the calandared side and is considered the wrong or bottom side. Good luck with your quilt.

Wayne Sewake
(wsewake) - F

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/13/2007 19:25:58 MDT Print View

Stuart, thanks for the information, Wayne.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/13/2007 19:42:27 MDT Print View

Hey Stuart,
The crescent shape is for the head. The bottom half goes under your neck while the top covers your forehead.
This way the top of the bag wraps around your head, keeping you even warmer than a mummy.

The whole is also to stick your head through and wear as a vest.
The bag extends past your crotch about 8" (while sleeping) and there is plenty of room to tuck the bag under your arms and hands.

With the combo of the insulated clothing and the bag, the 25* was a piece of cake.

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Edited by awsorensen on 05/13/2007 21:46:22 MDT.

J W
(jhaura) - F

Locale: www.Trailability.com
Re: Jacket patterns on 05/13/2007 21:14:21 MDT Print View

Aaron,

Hey man, looks sweet! Did you have to adjust the LR pattern for the insulated pieces, or did you use the Kinsmen or other pattern for the puffy items?

Thanks, Jhaura

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Jacket patterns on 05/13/2007 21:45:14 MDT Print View

Hey Jhaura,
The L/R Pants and jacket are made to fit a medium sized body while also fitting over a few pieces of gear.

I have a smaller frame and want a fairly snug fit, so I had to take about 1 1/2" off from the sides of both the jacket and pant sides and about 1" off of the sleeves.

On the insulated pieces, the excess from the insulation made them fit perfect.

Now that I have about 12 items made from Momentum, I've found that although the durability is good, it doesn't take that much pressure from a sharp object to make a cut or even a longer tear in the fabric.

Nylon makes more of a puncture but takes a lot more pressure to do it.

For the weight of the Momentum, you can believe that this should be the case. Other than the case of the sharp object thing, the material is very durable.
I also has a better much better feel than any other U/L fabric (by far).

Edited by awsorensen on 05/13/2007 21:48:17 MDT.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/14/2007 01:10:30 MDT Print View

Hi Aaron,

I've been trying to figure out how your half-bag works. When wearing it as a tunic do you wrap it around your torso to the back? How does it close at the back? Or is the back completely open? Do you use your insulated pants as the lower half of the sleeping system? And does the half-bag in sleeping mode just lie on top of you, or is it also wrapped around your torso?

Thanks.

Miguel

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
New Momentum in gear list on 05/14/2007 13:04:18 MDT Print View

Aaron,

The head/neck opening in your half bag is excellent!

- sam_h

Thomas Conly
(conly) - F - M

Locale: Lots of canoeing and snow
Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/14/2007 16:51:12 MDT Print View

I've been wanting to make a pair of insulated pants from the liberty ridge pattern as well. I haven't bought the materials yet but I was wondering if you had any advice. Where there any troubles adapting the pattern to be insulated? What insulation did you use? Did you include the leg zips? Thanks.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/14/2007 21:52:47 MDT Print View

Hey Miguel,
Yes, it seems like your tring to put a square peg into a round hole.
If you see it, you understand it.
I can't believe I hadn't thought of it long before.
It's not as complicated as it seems, (I hope the pics help).
I have a small snap at the waist that goes all the way around you.
The rest of your back is open, but your pack fills in that area.
I have the insulated bottoms on over the wind pant, but that's it.
As long as your feet and the rest of your body are warm, what little section of your legs is left doesn't get very cold.
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Thomas,
The L/R pants were a lot easier to make than the jacket.
Sewing the first stitching row of the 2 pieces together is the only tough part because you want to catch just the very edge of the insulation so that you don't have a huge round seam. If you do have the round seam, sewing them together is the real pain.
All in all, it's just like sewing a standard pant, (very easy).

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Edited by awsorensen on 05/14/2007 22:38:06 MDT.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/15/2007 02:39:50 MDT Print View

Thanks Aaron, makes a lot of sense now. And a lot of food for thought.

But, I've got to say it, you really look like a male elephant seal, snout and all. Or should I say, you look like you've been eaten by a male elephant seal!

Edited by butuki on 05/15/2007 02:43:10 MDT.

Joe Federici
(need2boat) - F

Locale: North East
Re: Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/15/2007 17:39:51 MDT Print View

Aaron-

Could you go into a bit more detail about the pants. I've in the process of making a pair myself and wonding about the best way to seam them.

Did you sew the insulation to the inner pant then sew a shell pant to go over and seam at the wast?

I'm going to be using a serger and just can't seem to figer the best way to do it. I can see from your pictures if you did french seams down the outside.

thanks

Joe F

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/15/2007 19:12:07 MDT Print View

Hey Joe,
I am not the one to really ask about sewing. These projects are the first clothing ones I have ever attempted and they are (semi crude).
I just cut them so they fit good and chop it up from there until the finished project comes out.

I wouldn't even recommend using french seams. I was just trying to make it clean, but it made it harder.

My best advice for you is to ask someone else.
I can talk to you about making a quilt all day but not clothing items.

Joe Federici
(need2boat) - F

Locale: North East
Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/15/2007 19:52:08 MDT Print View

Not a problem. I'll speak with Ayce who sells the kit. I had emailed with him about it but didn't see it as a problem at the time.

Now with everything infront of me. . . I'm like wow. what's the best way to do this, correct the first time. I won't be doing french seems either most likely use a serger. It kick ass for things like this.

JFF

Bill Thomas
(hobycat) - F
Re: Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/16/2007 20:32:11 MDT Print View

Joe,

I've made the Liberty insulated jacket and a pair of insulated pants using the shell pattern. You're right, for the pants, serging the insulation to the inside layer just like the jacket is done would be the way to go, effectively doing a French seam. The main thing to watch is to give yourself enough seam allowance for the two rows of stiching. I didn't on my first jacket and almost made it too snug. Good luck with your project. AYCE is usually great in answering your questions.

Bill T.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Momentum in gear list on 05/16/2007 23:38:25 MDT Print View

Bill,
Well said. I will have to do the same thing next time.
The pants will fit snug on your upper legs if you don't do this.
Unless you have a small framed body, make sure you size up one size.

So Bill, what did you use for the insulation and fabric?
How much did the garments weigh?

Joe Federici
(need2boat) - F

Locale: North East
Insulated Liberty pants on 05/17/2007 09:28:15 MDT Print View

Bill-

I emailed Ayce and he agreed with my thinking.

I'm going to serge the insulation to the shell then use simple seams down both sides. Then sew liner with simple seams down sides. I'm going to using a 4 thread serger so I'll go back and most likely add a line of stiches in about 1/4 so it will be a bit stronger.

Now sew liner to shell at cuffs and pull through. You should now have no seams but the open end of the waist. To finish off just add waist belt roll over to inside of pants and seam. Ayce was saying just add a 3/4 piece of gross grain to cover the seam edgde and use for your button holes for the cord.

I was also thinking of using elastic cuffs like a jacket but now think I'll use Lycra binding it's easer to use, lighter and nicer when your sleeping.

As far as sizing your pattern up. Yes if your going to add french seams then you need to size up due to thickness but if serger you will save a bit of fabric so it shoudln't be needed unless they are a tight fit OK. But if this is your first time using this or any pattern it PAYS! to quicly make it out of cheap cotton to try on.

I'm using 6oz of primaloft sport.

Joe F

Jeff Cadorin
(JeffCadorin) - F

Locale: paper beats rock
? on 05/23/2007 22:54:49 MDT Print View

I am just curious. Wouldnt a down jacket with hood weigh less and be more of a double duty item then the half bag? Another reason would be that climing in and out of a bivy would be alot easier in a jacket versus a half bag i would assume.....food for thought