Experiences with the 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system?
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J C
(Joomy) - M
Re: Re: Not clear on 05/30/2013 06:24:04 MDT Print View

"I have a 20ºF Rev, w/o overfill, and I've slept out in it in a homemade bivvy and under a TrailStar with a low temp of 8ºF and calm wind. My feet were getting a bit cold by morning, but otherwise I was comfortable. The pad was an Exped Synmat UL7."

Sorry -- did you mean 18F? I'm amazed if you mean 8F with only a R3.1 mat to boot!

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Not clear on 05/30/2013 08:35:46 MDT Print View

"Sorry -- did you mean 18F?"

No. I was wearing clothing, including a lightweight hooded down jacket. It was eight degrees F at dawn and without wind. As I get older, it's easier for my feet to get cold when I'm inactive.

J C
(Joomy) - M
cool on 05/30/2013 09:19:30 MDT Print View

Good to know... I am getting a Rev 20 and was hoping to push it down to maybe -10C. Still I think I would like a bit higher R value under me than the Synmat!

Edited by Joomy on 05/30/2013 10:24:59 MDT.

Gregory Stein
(tauneutrino) - F

Locale: Upper Galilee
Alternative to pad attaching system on 05/31/2013 15:18:58 MDT Print View

Hi guys,

I thought to use another method for attaching the quilt to the pad. It's better to illustrate it with some sketch:



Legend:
Red - quilt
Black - straps
Yellow - Sleeping pad

As you see, the straps make kinda "8". By tightening them the quilt will tuck under you. Even if you toss and turn a lot, the quilt will never go off of you. And it will be tucked under you. I think the only constraining factor is the quilt width. The more width it has, the more you get "bag" out of quilt.

Hope this makes sense.

Greg.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Alternative to pad attaching system on 05/31/2013 18:36:53 MDT Print View

This is one of the ways you can use the new EE strap system, just without the figure-8.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Sleep vs Complex Rigging on 05/31/2013 21:45:38 MDT Print View

While I admire the ingenuity of the various ways to attach a quilt to a pad, as I mentioned, I do not use any of them, and here's why:

They are too complicated.

When sleeping, a complicated bed is the last thing I want. What I do want are super-easy ways to get warmer or cooler when needed. If too warm, uncover portions of sleeping self, if too cool, cover up sleeping self. Do these while unconscious.

A commodious bivvy helps keep the operation together, and also reduces the effect of wind and the dreaded drafts. It's a ground cloth. It's insect protection. It defeats wind-blown spray (I hope!). I made it at home out of that soft, quiet version of Tyvek for a few bucks. No stitches, just seam tape. One piece. Tools: Straight-edge, Tape Measure, Sharpie, Scissors. Easy.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Sleep vs Complex Rigging on 06/01/2013 10:32:04 MDT Print View

Jim, +1, except I don't use a bivy.

Tim asked me for an honest evaluation of his new strap system, and I told him I think it's a brilliant design, and likely the best in the industry, at least that I've seen. But I too don't use or care for straps. The whole point of a quilt is freedom of movement, straps kind of limit that.

I'm a fairly restless side sleeper, and even in 20'sF the EE quilt kept me nice and toasty with just the collar slightly cinched and the footbox zipped. I've never rolled off my pad even while tossing and turning all night. My 9 year old daughter is now using one of my two EE quilts when we go instead of a bag and she prefers it w/o the straps as well.

Edited by arttyszka on 06/01/2013 10:33:25 MDT.

Justin Mckinney
(sierrajud) - M

Locale: California
quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 10:49:02 MDT Print View

I tried the quilt thing and found it be to much of a pain in the ass with all the tying , snapping, and this and that. Yes it's lighter than a traditional down bag, but I feel it's not as efficient at keeping you warm as a traditional bag. I agree with Jim, I want to get in the bag and sleep. If it's to hot, unzip bag and sleep ..easy! The quilts are perfect for Hammock people.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 11:12:06 MDT Print View

I have not used the strings that came with my EE quilt yet. Last weekend i used the top/head snap for the first time with great success so I may not ever. it kept it wrapped around my shoulders. not any harder than zipping a zipper.

my MYOG summer quilt has no attachments at all.. though i may add a snap at the top end for an option.

i usually sleep cold so i can adjust temps by what i wear on my torso or head. R value of your sleeping pad comes more into play with quilts than with sleeping bags too.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 11:40:59 MDT Print View

"R value of your sleeping pad comes more into play with quilts than with sleeping bags too."

Actually, not much. Down compressed by your body weight has little insulating power. That is part of the logic behind quilts -- save the down for where it counts. Other parts of that logic are: greater freedom in sleep, greater comfortable temperature range, greater trendiness.

I'm working on the next big thing, but, so far, haven't a clue. I need a nap.

Justin Mckinney
(sierrajud) - M

Locale: California
quilts on 06/01/2013 11:57:25 MDT Print View

I agree with the whole down compressed by your body deal, but what people fail to mention is that it's a different story if you move around a lot in your sleep, thus the quilt has to be clinched down somehow for cold conditions and it's not as enclosed as well as a sleeping bag, no matter what you use. You will get cold drafts coming in from any open spot on the quilt, which it's susceptible to have. You can un zip a sleeping bag and use it like a blanket in warmer conditions !

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 13:43:37 MDT Print View

True Jim. I think quilt users might think about it more carefully though.

i've converted to quilts so you don't have to convince me ;)

Justin, true you have to have it cinched down somehow, but in use it's not really that much different than being in a sleeping bag once you figure out a system that works for you. Like i said for me with the top snap closed around my shoulders the rest of the quilt took care of itself.

I sleep cold so i'm usually wearing long sleeves or even my Nano Puff over that so drafts aren't usually an issue. we were in my GF's Bilgy tent which is similar to a TT Contrail with mesh sides and drafts were fine. my Lightheart Solo is more enclosed.

I find it's more multiuse to add insulation with a long sleeve top or jacket than going to a sleeping bag. wearing a hat is definitely lighter than a sleeping bag hood.

with the bottom zipped and the top snap the RevX is pretty closed up. (not snapped here, use your imagination)
RevX

Edited by JakeDatc on 06/01/2013 13:44:26 MDT.