Experiences with the 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system?
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Lachlan Fysh
(lachlanfysh) - M
Experiences with the 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system? on 04/29/2013 22:22:58 MDT Print View

Hi,

Anybody used one of this year's Enlightened Equipment quilts with the new pad attachment system? Good / bad?

I'm in the market for a warmer quilt at the same time as a bunch of other items, and Tim's prices are appealing...

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
2013 Enlightened Equipment on 04/29/2013 22:29:07 MDT Print View

They're awesome. Just get one and you'll be very happy with it.

Lachlan Fysh
(lachlanfysh) - M
fast response on 04/29/2013 22:46:58 MDT Print View

Pretty quick response haha... 2013 straps specifically are awesome or a 20f quilt for under $300 is awesome?

James Cahill
(DMATB) - M

Locale: SOCAL
Re: Experiences with the 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system? on 04/29/2013 22:50:32 MDT Print View

Just bought a 40 degree synthetic quilt from Tim. I love it so far, quality and craftsmanship are awesome, price was great, Tim is very helpful. I've had a chance to use the quilt with both the strap types, and strapless. The elastic straps can be used around you and your pad or just you, depending on your preference. If you roll a lot while you sleep, you might find it better to have the elastic straps under your pad because it will help keep the quilt on top of you. If you are better at adjusting in your sleep, having the elastic around you will provide better draft protection but if you squirm and roll you might find the quilt beneath you. The other strap system attaches to your pad and then the quilt, which for me has been best of both worlds. It keeps the quilt on top of me as I alligator roll throughout the night but I can adjust the attachment points to keep the edges of the quilt anywhere on the pad. I'm a squirmy sleeper (unless I'm drunk) and I've found the straps do a nice job of keeping everything in check. You can even mix the two types if you want (which I never thought of until now and will have to try out this week) and fiddle with those combos.

Overall I give it a thumbs up





eDiT: I spell like a dumb

Edited by DMATB on 04/29/2013 22:53:05 MDT.

Nate Boyer
(NateB123) - F - MLife
straps on 04/30/2013 10:33:30 MDT Print View

I love EE quilts. I hate the old closure system.
I emailed Tim to request purchase of the new 2013 straps for my two EE quilts.
He said he doesn't have time to sell them to me. He said I'd have to buy a new quilt.
:(

Corbin Camp
(heycorb)

Locale: Southeast
EE Rev on 04/30/2013 10:49:21 MDT Print View

I absolutely love my EE Rev 40. Perfect for where I am. The elastic straps work great. I only use them under by pad. Not sure what the older closure system was like, but what's there now is near perfect.

Edited by heycorb on 04/30/2013 10:49:51 MDT.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Experiences with the 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system? on 04/30/2013 19:15:39 MDT Print View

Go for the quilt, you'll love it with or w/o the straps. I have the new and old straps and frankly usually sleep w/o either of them, even in 20F temps. I found that just cinching the neck closure was enough to keep it all in place as a restless side sleeper. I have a Rev 10D/10D 40F and a Rev X 20F overstuff and absolutely look forward to crawling under them after a day on the trail.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: straps on 04/30/2013 19:32:59 MDT Print View

you could probably retrofit the old loops with new style straps. you just need those flat buckles and some gross grain. or set up the old cord versions so they work similarly.

Gregory Allen
(Gallen1119) - M

Locale: Golden, CO
Re: Re: Experiences with the 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system? on 04/30/2013 19:45:16 MDT Print View

It never was really clear to me how to use the old closure system...all those shock cords and cord locks. I have those things everywhere. There are plenty of old threads discussing various methods. I'm not even sure Tim was really sure of the best way. That may have been the impetus for the 2013 design change. I've used several different methods with the old system, some with cord locks, some without. Haven't found a totally satisfactory system yet.

I would be interested in more details on the new system. Can someone post a more specific description ans some close up photos? I see a MYOG mod in the near future. BTW, my wife and I both have 20* RevX which are AWESOME IMHO.

Rocco Speranza
(Mechrock) - F

Locale: Western NC Mtns
I made a video... on 04/30/2013 20:04:59 MDT Print View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj940ZNSSNU

I did a video review on the quilt if that will help you. I talked a little about the straps. Seemed to work well for me.

James Cahill
(DMATB) - M

Locale: SOCAL
pics on 04/30/2013 20:28:48 MDT Print View

did my best to add contrast with the z-lite, all pics have the bottom strap buckled and the top unbuckled

w/ elastic straps around only you:
elastic1


w/ elastic straps around pad:
elastic2


w/ webbing straps around pad and attachment point set in from pad edge:
web1


webbing strap detail:
web2

Gregory Allen
(Gallen1119) - M

Locale: Golden, CO
Re: I made a video... on 04/30/2013 20:31:14 MDT Print View

Good video. Thanks for showing the strap system. Looks like a fairly straightforward mod. Props again to Tim at EE for excellent products and service.

Thx also to SoCal JC for pics.

Edited by Gallen1119 on 04/30/2013 20:32:47 MDT.

Lachlan Fysh
(lachlanfysh) - M
Sold on 04/30/2013 22:30:33 MDT Print View

Yeah ok, I'll buy one :)

Edit: Overstuff needed? I'm looking at a 20f model

Edited by lachlanfysh on 04/30/2013 22:31:20 MDT.

J J
(jraiderguy) - M

Locale: Puget Sound
Overstuff on 05/01/2013 09:53:51 MDT Print View

I went with 2oz overstuff on my 20 deg wide/long RevX. I've been very happy with it. There's room for much more overstuff, but I haven't been cold on the two nights I've used it around 20 degrees, and I'll likely buy a winter quilt if I end up getting more into winter camping (as opposed to the tip-of-the-shoulder season 20 degree nights I do now).

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Overstuff on 05/02/2013 16:47:48 MDT Print View

I am planning to offer an upgrade kit at some point for using the new straps on old quilts, also including the sacks for old quilts that shipped naked. We've just been so busy i haven't had production time to make them as it would take away from building quilts. I am working on a solution but like i told Nate it would be faster to buy a new quilt than to wait on me to figure it out. The curse of being busy is you cant do anything new, but if we had time to do new stuff we wouldn't be busy. Its a curse and a blessing

-Tim

Matt Purnell
(Treefern)

Locale: Brisbane
The 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system on 05/29/2013 05:14:49 MDT Print View

Could someone make this crystal clear for me? Can the straps be placed around the sleeping pad, and then the quilt attached to those straps on top of the pad, so that, similar to the Katabatic setup, the edges of the quilt are on top of the mat? Or, do the edges of the quilt drape down the sides of the mat?

Rocco has the new attachment system, but in his video mentions a "few drafts" when turning over. How does one avoid them??

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: The 2013 Enlightened Equipment pad attachment system on 05/29/2013 12:38:42 MDT Print View

"Could someone make this crystal clear for me? Can the straps be placed around the sleeping pad, and then the quilt attached to those straps on top of the pad, so that, similar to the Katabatic setup, the edges of the quilt are on top of the mat? Or, do the edges of the quilt drape down the sides of the mat?"

Art - Yes

Matt Purnell
(Treefern)

Locale: Brisbane
Not clear on 05/29/2013 14:45:47 MDT Print View

That's not clear! Which question are you answering yes to (there's an "or" in there)?

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Not clear on 05/29/2013 21:10:01 MDT Print View

Actually, the yes answer was correct, though not totally transparent. The nylon web strap does attach the quilt any two places on the strap; whereas with the elastic strap, if it goes around the pad, that arrangement may be a bit draftier. If the elastic strap just goes around the sleeper, it depends on how the sleeper sleeps.

Having said that, my personal preference is not to use any of the straps. I have a 20ºF Rev, w/o overfill, and I've slept out in it in a homemade bivvy and under a TrailStar with a low temp of 8ºF and calm wind. My feet were getting a bit cold by morning, but otherwise I was comfortable. The pad was an Exped Synmat UL7.

Matt Purnell
(Treefern)

Locale: Brisbane
Re: Not clear on 05/30/2013 05:21:45 MDT Print View

Thanks James - got it now!

J C
(Joomy) - M
Re: Re: Not clear on 05/30/2013 06:24:04 MDT Print View

"I have a 20ºF Rev, w/o overfill, and I've slept out in it in a homemade bivvy and under a TrailStar with a low temp of 8ºF and calm wind. My feet were getting a bit cold by morning, but otherwise I was comfortable. The pad was an Exped Synmat UL7."

Sorry -- did you mean 18F? I'm amazed if you mean 8F with only a R3.1 mat to boot!

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Not clear on 05/30/2013 08:35:46 MDT Print View

"Sorry -- did you mean 18F?"

No. I was wearing clothing, including a lightweight hooded down jacket. It was eight degrees F at dawn and without wind. As I get older, it's easier for my feet to get cold when I'm inactive.

J C
(Joomy) - M
cool on 05/30/2013 09:19:30 MDT Print View

Good to know... I am getting a Rev 20 and was hoping to push it down to maybe -10C. Still I think I would like a bit higher R value under me than the Synmat!

Edited by Joomy on 05/30/2013 10:24:59 MDT.

Gregory Stein
(tauneutrino) - F

Locale: Upper Galilee
Alternative to pad attaching system on 05/31/2013 15:18:58 MDT Print View

Hi guys,

I thought to use another method for attaching the quilt to the pad. It's better to illustrate it with some sketch:



Legend:
Red - quilt
Black - straps
Yellow - Sleeping pad

As you see, the straps make kinda "8". By tightening them the quilt will tuck under you. Even if you toss and turn a lot, the quilt will never go off of you. And it will be tucked under you. I think the only constraining factor is the quilt width. The more width it has, the more you get "bag" out of quilt.

Hope this makes sense.

Greg.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Alternative to pad attaching system on 05/31/2013 18:36:53 MDT Print View

This is one of the ways you can use the new EE strap system, just without the figure-8.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Sleep vs Complex Rigging on 05/31/2013 21:45:38 MDT Print View

While I admire the ingenuity of the various ways to attach a quilt to a pad, as I mentioned, I do not use any of them, and here's why:

They are too complicated.

When sleeping, a complicated bed is the last thing I want. What I do want are super-easy ways to get warmer or cooler when needed. If too warm, uncover portions of sleeping self, if too cool, cover up sleeping self. Do these while unconscious.

A commodious bivvy helps keep the operation together, and also reduces the effect of wind and the dreaded drafts. It's a ground cloth. It's insect protection. It defeats wind-blown spray (I hope!). I made it at home out of that soft, quiet version of Tyvek for a few bucks. No stitches, just seam tape. One piece. Tools: Straight-edge, Tape Measure, Sharpie, Scissors. Easy.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Sleep vs Complex Rigging on 06/01/2013 10:32:04 MDT Print View

Jim, +1, except I don't use a bivy.

Tim asked me for an honest evaluation of his new strap system, and I told him I think it's a brilliant design, and likely the best in the industry, at least that I've seen. But I too don't use or care for straps. The whole point of a quilt is freedom of movement, straps kind of limit that.

I'm a fairly restless side sleeper, and even in 20'sF the EE quilt kept me nice and toasty with just the collar slightly cinched and the footbox zipped. I've never rolled off my pad even while tossing and turning all night. My 9 year old daughter is now using one of my two EE quilts when we go instead of a bag and she prefers it w/o the straps as well.

Edited by arttyszka on 06/01/2013 10:33:25 MDT.

Justin Mckinney
(sierrajud) - M

Locale: California
quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 10:49:02 MDT Print View

I tried the quilt thing and found it be to much of a pain in the ass with all the tying , snapping, and this and that. Yes it's lighter than a traditional down bag, but I feel it's not as efficient at keeping you warm as a traditional bag. I agree with Jim, I want to get in the bag and sleep. If it's to hot, unzip bag and sleep ..easy! The quilts are perfect for Hammock people.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 11:12:06 MDT Print View

I have not used the strings that came with my EE quilt yet. Last weekend i used the top/head snap for the first time with great success so I may not ever. it kept it wrapped around my shoulders. not any harder than zipping a zipper.

my MYOG summer quilt has no attachments at all.. though i may add a snap at the top end for an option.

i usually sleep cold so i can adjust temps by what i wear on my torso or head. R value of your sleeping pad comes more into play with quilts than with sleeping bags too.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 11:40:59 MDT Print View

"R value of your sleeping pad comes more into play with quilts than with sleeping bags too."

Actually, not much. Down compressed by your body weight has little insulating power. That is part of the logic behind quilts -- save the down for where it counts. Other parts of that logic are: greater freedom in sleep, greater comfortable temperature range, greater trendiness.

I'm working on the next big thing, but, so far, haven't a clue. I need a nap.

Justin Mckinney
(sierrajud) - M

Locale: California
quilts on 06/01/2013 11:57:25 MDT Print View

I agree with the whole down compressed by your body deal, but what people fail to mention is that it's a different story if you move around a lot in your sleep, thus the quilt has to be clinched down somehow for cold conditions and it's not as enclosed as well as a sleeping bag, no matter what you use. You will get cold drafts coming in from any open spot on the quilt, which it's susceptible to have. You can un zip a sleeping bag and use it like a blanket in warmer conditions !

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: quilts and actual sleeping on 06/01/2013 13:43:37 MDT Print View

True Jim. I think quilt users might think about it more carefully though.

i've converted to quilts so you don't have to convince me ;)

Justin, true you have to have it cinched down somehow, but in use it's not really that much different than being in a sleeping bag once you figure out a system that works for you. Like i said for me with the top snap closed around my shoulders the rest of the quilt took care of itself.

I sleep cold so i'm usually wearing long sleeves or even my Nano Puff over that so drafts aren't usually an issue. we were in my GF's Bilgy tent which is similar to a TT Contrail with mesh sides and drafts were fine. my Lightheart Solo is more enclosed.

I find it's more multiuse to add insulation with a long sleeve top or jacket than going to a sleeping bag. wearing a hat is definitely lighter than a sleeping bag hood.

with the bottom zipped and the top snap the RevX is pretty closed up. (not snapped here, use your imagination)
RevX

Edited by JakeDatc on 06/01/2013 13:44:26 MDT.