Backpacking Grills: Coming Soon
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Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Backpacking Grills: Coming Soon on 04/24/2013 21:37:59 MDT Print View

Hey Everyone,

Here is a sneak peak photo of one of my stainless steel backpacking grills that is coming out soon. The photo is of the 6" x 14" model.


Stainless Steel Backpacking Grill Lawson Outdoor Equipment

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Backpacking Grills: Coming Soon on 04/24/2013 21:49:18 MDT Print View

Cool......weight/size/price?

M

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
More Photos & Specs on 04/24/2013 22:00:59 MDT Print View

5"x12" Cross Bar Style. Weight: 7.35oz, Price: $20.00 .187" Rim Bar/.125 Cross Bars
5x12 stainless steel grill

6"x14" Cross Bar Style. Weight: 9.45oz, Price: $22.50 .187" Rim Bar/.125 Cross Bars
6x14 stainless steel grill

5"x12" Heavy Bar Style. Weight: 7.00oz, Price: $15.00 .187" All Bars
5x12 stainless steel grill

6"x14" Heavy Bar Style. Weight: 10.00oz, Price: $17.50 .187" All Bars
6x14 stainless steel grill

I have decided to sell the grills by themselves and then sell an accessory Xpac VX42 Sleeve. This will keep the price down for people who only want a grill and no sleeve.

Thanks,
Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 05/07/2013 14:35:19 MDT.

Terry Sparks
(Firebug)

Locale: Santa Barbara County Coast
Backpacking Grills: on 04/24/2013 23:43:27 MDT Print View

Beautiful, can you put me on a waiting list for when you get them in your catalogue?

I do enjoy a steak dinner the first night out on the trail.

Adam Kramer
(rbeard) - F

Locale: ATL, Southern Appalachia
me too on 04/25/2013 07:47:41 MDT Print View

would be down for one

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Updated Pricing on 04/25/2013 11:25:31 MDT Print View

I just updated the pricing. It ranges from $15-$25. I am working on finishing them off. I still have some work to do before the batch is complete. Once that happens I will be packaging them and adding them to my website. So who is interested? And in which model?

Thanks,
Lawson

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/25/2013 15:03:53 MDT.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Lack of Interest on 04/29/2013 09:35:31 MDT Print View

I am surprised by the lack of interest. Is it the price or the weight? I would assume weight, as no ULer would want to get caught dead with 7-10oz grill on their spreadsheet.

But when I think of these grills compared to wood burning stoves that sell like hot cakes, but cost ALOT more money, are less versatile, take up more room in your pack, and can weigh almost as much if not more I can't wrap my head around it.

Even with conventional gas stoves. The weight of the stove + the fuel canister can be/is more.

With a grill, you don't have to carry any fuel. All you need is two small rocks and some twigs and your good to go.

What am I missing?

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/29/2013 09:46:23 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Lack of Interest on 04/29/2013 09:42:44 MDT Print View

I like these, I'm just in no rush to buy one.

I do appreciate an alternative to the $$$titanium$$$ ones out there.

I could care less about the weight. This isn't the sort of thing I'd carry on a trip where weight was a concern anyway.

I certainly hope it's not weight weenieism that kills this product, as I think you've done everything right.

brent driggers
(cadyak) - MLife

Locale: southwest georgia
grill on 04/29/2013 09:56:11 MDT Print View

Ill be down for one, just dont know which yet.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
No fires! on 04/29/2013 10:11:44 MDT Print View

I'd be very interested in these, except....

Most of the national forests here in SoCal lean towards a total ban on campfires except in established camp sites. And I'm not about to hike from one car camping site to another just to have a campfire!

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Lack of Interest on 04/29/2013 10:20:33 MDT Print View

Lawson,
Big fan of your company and products. I like the bp grill concept. For me, two reasons get in the way.

1) most wilderness bp areas in So Cal prohibit open fire, unless it's car camping with assigned campsites, then weight and size are not an issue I'd bring the Webber grill and big sac of charcoal.

2) I've kept the rectangular stainless steel grill slider from my broken old electric toaster oven.

New product entire electric toaster oven, grill, tray, low end Black & Decker $25

toaster oven

It's not my intention to knock, but since you asked for feedback. I hope this info helps.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Lack of Interest on 04/29/2013 10:24:45 MDT Print View

I don't think the titanium ones sell lots either, though I admit I don't know.

For many folks, I would assume, they're only heating water. I'm one of those - only heating water, not cooking anything. So I don't use wood at all. For me, and probably others like me, it's neither the cost nor the weight, it's simply the way we look at/prepare our meals.

Joe S
(ThreeRidges) - M
Marketing on 04/29/2013 10:37:58 MDT Print View

Your site is great and I've purchased many useful items. My sense is that the popularity at BPL of UL and freezer bag cooking, coupled with the ever shrinking number of places one can legally use open fires, might be the reason for the lack of response. I think if you mentioned these grills at other forums more geared to bushcraft (such as the Bushcraft USA (http://bushcraftusa.com/forum/cmps_index.php ) or ESEE (http://jungletraining.com/forums/forum.php ), they would be warmly received.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Thanks on 04/29/2013 11:35:39 MDT Print View

Thanks for the feedback. It really paints a better picture for me as I was a bit confused.

I figured for some backpackers living in the western half of the country this wouldn't be even be an option. For others though, I thought it might be. I guess my style of backpacking and cooking is different than most of the others. Maybe not. We will see when they go on sale which should be sometime late next week.

As far as a titanium version goes, it will be a down the road thing as I was afraid they wouldn't be hot sellers. At 4x the cost and only about a 40% reduction in weight, I thought stainless would be a better option to test the product with. Plus stainless really does handle heat better. Titanium will oxidize in high heat.

That said, I am sure the dollar store cooling racks will give me a run for my money. Especially when you consider they are much cheaper and weigh less. But they are cheaper and weigh less because they are made from thinner rod, the are not made from stainless steel and they are not made in the USA. I mean try to find anything stainless that has been hand tig welded. ITS NOT CHEAP. The heavy style grill is 100% hand tig welded while the cross bar style grill has a hand tig welded frame and spot welded cross bars. I was going to tig weld the cross bars but the extra labor involved really jacks the price up so I found spot welding to be a good compromise of strength and speed.

Unlike some big factory in china, these are assembled one at a time. Everything is batch cut, batch bent and then batch assembled. But this is like all my products. I have found the cheapest way to do something is sit down and just make ALOT of them at once. Its like my tent stakes. I always make ALOT at one time. I first cut them to size, then de-burr them, and then bend them. LOTS of boring work. After a while, you learn to talk to yourself haha : )

Thanks again,
Lawson

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: London, UK
Re: Re: Lack of Interest on 04/29/2013 16:09:48 MDT Print View

Lawson, sorry your product idea is not getting traction. But you are trying to sell a grill for which there are any number of adequate substitutes (like the toaster oven rack) and that your competition can offer at almost "disposable" prices.

This is a grill I bought yesterday at our local $1 equivalent store. I actually prefer a mesh grill since food can't slip through. Flexible but sturdy steel wire with folding stand. ~80sq inches. Weighs 128g. Costs JPY105.


Grill

Edited by rmjapan on 04/29/2013 16:35:06 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Backpacking Grills: on 04/29/2013 17:03:27 MDT Print View

I just take an old one from a toaster oven Lawson. I see this as a niche in a niche product.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Lack of Interest on 04/29/2013 17:21:04 MDT Print View

"I am surprised by the lack of interest. Is it the price or the weight? I would assume weight, as no ULer would want to get caught dead with 7-10oz grill on their spreadsheet."

Lawson, your product looks great. But as Ken said, you are hitting a niche. This fits somewhere in between car camping and backpacking. A grill is mainly used for cooking fresh meat, fish, potatoes, ect. For car camping, you don't need an ultralight grill. For backpacking, people usually don't carry steaks or any other food that they need grilled (but it would be very useful for fish that you catch). Backpackers usually take dehydrated stuff that just needs hot water.


"But when I think of these grills compared to wood burning stoves that sell like hot cakes, but cost ALOT more money, are less versatile, take up more room in your pack, and can weigh almost as much if not more I can't wrap my head around it.

Even with conventional gas stoves. The weight of the stove + the fuel canister can be/is more.

With a grill, you don't have to carry any fuel. All you need is two small rocks and some twigs and your good to go."

The problem here is that you don't need a grill to cook with a pot over an open fire. You just shove your pot right into the coals. No weight involved. A grill would be useful, but not nessecary.
Wood stoves are used for legal reasons and to avoid burning hard ground surfaces.

On a recent bushcraft-usa meetup a guy carried in 2 tri-tips and cooked it over a lightweight grill, but that's not something that normally happens while backpacking. You might have better luck if you sell these on bushcraft usa. They really appreciate hand made stuff over there.

This item would be mainly used for base camp backpacking.

Personally, I am very interested in your grills. I would probably use it for cooking a bunch of fish for a group.

Edited by justin_baker on 04/29/2013 17:30:40 MDT.

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Backpacking Grills on 04/29/2013 17:21:47 MDT Print View

Keep in mind that Lawson's grills will be bulletproof, and for a very, very long time. Those lighter disposable grills will be, well, disposable. Maybe even before you intend for them to be so.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: London, UK
Re:Griddle table on 04/29/2013 18:54:40 MDT Print View

I think something like this Ti griddle table might be a more interesting and viable product, especially if it could be done at your price points. I'm sure the fancy logo engraving and carbon fiber legs added considerably to its ~$100 price tag!

http://moonlight-gear.com/?pid=57606874


griddle table

Edited by rmjapan on 04/29/2013 19:02:05 MDT.

Javan Dempsey
(jdempsey)

Locale: The-Stateless-Society
Re: Backpacking Grills on 04/29/2013 19:10:43 MDT Print View

That's a good point Gary, but many or most ULers are looking for a compromise between weight savings and durability.

Lawson, if you want to talk in private about how to improve this product, and perhaps make it a bit more appealing, email me. I've got some thoughts, since I've got an idea how you're making these.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Cheap Rack on 04/29/2013 21:48:21 MDT Print View

Yeah, For UL backpackers the dollar store cooling rack/old toaster oven rack is hard to beat. BUT trying to beat the price and weight really wasn't my goal. It would be like trying to make a water bottle cheaper and lighter than a Gatorade bottle. So when you think of it this way. My grill is like a stainless steel Sigg bottle or even a Nalgene type bottle and a cooling rack/toaster oven rack is like a plastic water/Gatorade bottle.

As far as this being a niche product between car camping and backpacking. I agree. When I built this grill, I knew this was the likely-hood. But since no one makes a high quality stainless steel grill for an affordable price I figured I would. Stay away competition. There is no demand :)

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Backpacking Grills: Coming Soon on 04/29/2013 22:34:21 MDT Print View

If you wanna sell a bunch just paint the handle orange and call em Grylls.

;)

Tyson Marshall
(sheepNgeese) - MLife

Locale: Ventura County (formerly PNW)
Re: Re:Griddle table on 04/30/2013 17:14:08 MDT Print View

I would also be interested in something similar to this. I ran into a situation where I wanted to cook tortillas and this worked "ok".

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=48735

I can attest for the overall horrible quality of the dollar store grills...

Also, Lawson, your grill sizes are much better than those dollar store ones...

Daniel Russell
(Superfluous_Grizzly)

Locale: Creation
Re: Re: Backpacking Grills: Coming Soon on 04/30/2013 20:46:46 MDT Print View

LOL Jeff... that is hilarious.... and maybe genius? Im going to call Gerber tomorrow and take credit for your idea! ;)

Emmanuel Romo
(emman714) - F

Locale: Southern California
Grills on 05/02/2013 23:28:27 MDT Print View

Hi Lawson,
I do appreciate you releasing these. IMO, your only true competitor is Purcell trench grills. Which are 2x to 3x the price depending on the model. You are offering the better value and ease of purchase. (Check their site for what I mean) if I hadn't already purchased on of their stream side travelers a few months ago I would hop on two of these at the price. Heck, I probably will anyway once you release your new pads. =]

As others have stated try the BushcraftUSA forums- they are always praising KISS, affordable, stainless, USA/hand made items over there. Also try the ESEE, Kifaru and ZombieSquad forums. All forums are focused toward the prepping/survival mindset- where they prefer items made for the PAW- just like these grills. =P Don't give up!

D S
(smoke) - F
My 2 Cents! on 05/03/2013 07:18:52 MDT Print View

"If you wanna sell a bunch just paint the handle orange and call em Grylls."

That would probably need to be - Grylls' Grills;-)

For Lawson - I think there is a demand, but as others have said, probably not here on a geared towards UL forum.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Instock on 05/07/2013 14:34:40 MDT Print View

Thanks for all the feedback. The grills are now officially instock and ready to ship. Gerber gave me the go ahead to call them Grylls so they should sell out in about a minute flat : )

Thanks again,
Lawson

LawsonEquipment.com

Tim Haynes
(timalan)

Locale: Mid Atlantic
Backpacking Grills on 05/08/2013 09:14:50 MDT Print View

Lawson,
Finished products look great. Not sure if I have any use for one, but will definitely consider it and recommend to friends if they have an appropriate need.

Still looking forward to the next generation of Insulite pads. Keep the gear coming.
Thanks,
tim

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Thanks for the business on 05/18/2013 08:42:45 MDT Print View

Thanks for all the business :)

Nathan Coleman
(RockChucker30) - M
Great Grill on 05/19/2013 14:58:58 MDT Print View

I bought a 5X12 size without ever seeing this thread....just found it by chance while looking over your site.

I have been looking for one of these for a while, and wanted something cheaper than the Purcell, more durable than the Zia, and this fits the bill. It's very well built, it shipped the same day I ordered, and I had it within 2-3 days.

I'm pleased. I plan to try it out tonight and tomorrow morning, then take it on a few canoe trips this summer to cook fish I catch. Awesome piece of kit that won't always get used, but I've got it when I want it.

Richard Mock
(moxtr) - M

Locale: The piney woods
Re: Re: Backpacking Grills: Coming Soon on 05/23/2013 01:54:57 MDT Print View

Love your Grylls joke!

Justin Baker
(justin_baker)

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Grylls on 05/23/2013 02:12:24 MDT Print View

How many grills could bear grylls grill if bear grylls could grill bears?

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
RE Grylls on 05/23/2013 09:08:21 MDT Print View

"How many grills could bear grylls grill if bear grylls could grill bears"?

Barely any, he'd it raw. LOL

Lawson, love the design and look of the new grills, keep up the good work.

I don't grill, but if I did I'd buy 2. I may still try one just for wood stove cooking.

Jack

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Grylls on 05/24/2013 11:36:10 MDT Print View

All this Grylls talk is making me want to drink my pee haha.

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Grylls on 05/24/2013 12:05:27 MDT Print View

As the popular saying goes:
"when your bottle is empty, ur'ine luck!"

Edited by RogerDodger on 05/24/2013 12:06:04 MDT.

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Pot and Pan Grill Sale on 06/05/2013 19:15:39 MDT Print View

The Pot and Pan style grills haven't sold like I thought they would. So rather than keep them around, I am going to sell them for half price. So they are now $7.50 and $8.75. At these prices, I don't expect them to last long.

LawsonEquipment.com

Thanks,
Lawson