Question about movable line-locs on tarp tie outs
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Daniel Saunders
(Boulderman)

Locale: Front Range
Question about movable line-locs on tarp tie outs on 04/24/2013 13:17:40 MDT Print View

I'm making a 5x8 tarp right now with a good amount of tie outs for pitching flexibility. I want to use line locs, but don't want to put one on every single tie out because that would be weighty and wasteful. What would be a good way to be able to arrange 4-8 line locs right where I need them for a particular pitch?

I was thinking maybe sew a small loop of grosgrain on the line loc and girth hitch it to whichever tie out I needed to use. I also thought about using the line loc buckles and put the female end on every tie out, but that would be pricey and heavy... Any ideas?

John Harper
(johnnyh88) - M

Locale: The SouthWest
Re: Question about movable line-locs on tarp tie outs on 04/24/2013 13:32:40 MDT Print View

Yama Mountain Gear's method is pretty neat:

http://www.yamamountaingear.com/resources/tieouts

You could leave a loop tied on at every point and just switch out linelocs as necessary.

Nico .
(NickB) - MLife

Locale: Los Padres National Forest
Movable Linelocs on 04/24/2013 13:47:37 MDT Print View

@ Daniel

Your first idea should work fine. I've used the line locs sold from Zpacks that have grosgrain loops attached to them to replace guyline tensioners on a couple of different shelters. I did it just as you described, by girth hitching the new line locs to the tie out points on the tarp. See below.

Daniel Saunders
(Boulderman)

Locale: Front Range
Thanks on 04/24/2013 16:13:38 MDT Print View

Thanks for the ideas y'all! Looks like I'll be able to make that work.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Question about movable line-locs on tarp tie outs on 04/24/2013 16:47:24 MDT Print View

You can also attach gross grain loops now and then attach any buckle or lineloc you want later using this technique.

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Edited by lyrad1 on 04/24/2013 16:50:35 MDT.

Jordan P
(jordo_99) - MLife

Locale: Nebraska
Alternative Option--along the same lines though on 04/24/2013 17:03:33 MDT Print View

If you're open to using a Micro LineLoc you can cut a miniscule amount of weight too. I also think that these perform better (less slip and can use thinner lines that weight slightly less).

Micro-Loc

Since this is an "inline" style but accomplishes the same thing you could have just a locked loop at one end to attach to a tie-out point (push the loop through, thread your line through the loop and pull tight).

Mark Fowler
(KramRelwof) - MLife

Locale: Namadgi
Agreed on 04/24/2013 23:32:42 MDT Print View

+1 on the micro line locks.

I use them with 1.25mm Z-Line and they work really well and they are considerably lighter but the savings a only a few grams (0.76g vs 1.28g for the Line Loc 3). The real saving is in the lighter cord. You can get them made of glow-in-the-dark plastic. The only thing I have found using such light cord is that you need to attach them to the line using a loop rather than just the jammed knot as shown in the preceding image.

It is easy to attach them using a girth hitch (make the loop attaching the line lock big enough to pass it back though) and save on the weight of the grosgrain as well.

David Miles
(davidmiles) - F

Locale: Eastern Sierra
Re: Line-locs on 04/25/2013 07:53:15 MDT Print View

+1 on the loop idea from John. Another option is to use a knot I developed for our rescue stretcher. It is a mod of the bowstring knot. It offers 2:1 pulley action to tighten the line, and will adjust down to almost zero length. It's cheap, lightweight and no plastic part to break. It's also smaller for rolling up inside the tarp. I have some instructions and test data on my website.

http://www.milesgear.com/

Chris Schmidt
(christo60) - M

Locale: Midwest (Ozarks)
Using knots instead of line-locs on 05/03/2013 14:02:05 MDT Print View

Instead of line-locs, I tie a bowline on one end of my guyline or ridgeline and loop that through the tarp tie out. I then use a six inch section of the same line material to make a Prusik knot that goes on the guyline. I leave the guylines on the tarp in a storm pitch configuration (just in case) but it is easy to move the lines just by pulling them through the bowline loop. When stored, the Prusik knots get pushed up against the bowline so they don't inadvertantly come off.

The Prusik knots begin with a loop formed with a double sheet bend so they never come untied. It is a simple matter then to sink a stake, slip the Prusik over the stake and pull the line taut. Easy and light.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
AHA! and EUREKA! on 05/03/2013 23:21:20 MDT Print View

A Lineloc on a Prussik knotted loop (of Triptease) tied to a Triptease stake line or guyline sounds most excellent.

THANK YOU!

(I knew there was a reason I got a lifetime membership here.)

Daniel Sandström
(sandstrom.dj)
Re: Using knots instead of line-locs on 05/16/2013 03:13:41 MDT Print View

Could you attach a picture of this configuration. Sound good, but I have a hard time visualizing it as I just ate lunch and am kind of slow.
Thanks!

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Using knots instead of line-locs on 05/16/2013 07:09:08 MDT Print View

Chris, I do the same thing, except the bowline is the stake loop and I larkshead the Prussik to the guyout. Then I can adjust from underneath the tarp.

Mike Young
(klackamas) - F - MLife

Locale: ingreentrees@yahoo.com
pics? on 05/30/2013 22:36:03 MDT Print View

I could use the visual aids for sure.