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Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/21/2013 20:04:01 MDT Print View

Discuss.

Edited by T.L. on 04/21/2013 20:06:20 MDT.

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/21/2013 20:53:52 MDT Print View

Because terror is an unknown that causes fear. People are comfortable thinking they know all the answers.

Gun death - very little unknown.

Bad guys: use it as leverage to commit robbery, rape and murder.

Good guys: use it for self defense to kill an intruder committing robbery, rape and murder.

People don't care too much about war death, traffic DUI drinking-and-driving death, or air pollution cancer death, or "infected at the hospital" death, airplane/bus/train crash death.

25 years ago, the popular trend was worrying about AIDS death, and feeding the African children dying from hunger.

Now that is also "meh" apathy.


All those death categories are in the thousands every year, and if they get reported on the news its less than 5 secs mention on the news "...car accident fatality on the freeway in Los Angeles, car bomb in Iraq kills 3, and now with the results of the Oscars movie awards..."

Terror death is a tiny number, but aside from politics, it's a factor that we believe is out of our control, and creates fear because we don't know how to mitigate it.

however we believe that if we have airbags and car insurance, we can survive a car crash, so that risk is mitigated, and we don't worry too much about it, other than saying "drive safely, good bye"

Edited by RogerDodger on 04/21/2013 21:58:17 MDT.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/21/2013 21:53:58 MDT Print View

"Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?"

Because the media tells them to. The incident in Boston has been a complete media cluster f$%k.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
"Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/21/2013 22:01:10 MDT Print View

My take:

The daily gun deaths in this country are largely driven by socio-economics. If you want to get to the bottom of this, you'd better be prepared for a really hard discussion about your own society and how it is failing people. Apparently, that's not what our "news" is for.

Terror attacks are driven by ideology in opposition to the dominant culture. It's therefor easy and more convenient write the perpetrator off as an outsider, as an extremist or fanatic, whether they come from abroad or are homegrown.
As opposed to forcing us to take a hard look in the mirror, being attacked by the "outsider" allows us to set aside differences and rally together against what's perceived to be a common enemy.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Who "Lost their heads" on 04/21/2013 22:27:07 MDT Print View

I'm not convinced anyone "Lost their heads." The media didn't lose their heads (at least no more so then they normally do). The media reports on events that are unique and dramatic not routine. 24/7 coverage of a big story is expected

I don't think we as American's lost our heads. There was random act of violence where we didn't expect one and the potential for more violence at equally random places. It was natural for people to be interested in the story.

I don't think officials lost their heads. There was a bombing and a firefight with individuals who where thought to have military style training. They had a good idea where the suspect was so the locked the area down to facilitate a man hunt. Maybe they overreacted by locking down too large an area, but your average fugitive doesn't have bombs or a desire to kill large numbers of people randomly.

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
"Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/21/2013 22:28:10 MDT Print View

That was nicely said, Craig.

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/21/2013 23:01:26 MDT Print View

>>24/7 coverage of a big story is expected

And why is that? How much wrong information was disseminated and how many thousands of times were the same handful of facts repeated b/c nothing new was available? Information drives our society. What we choose to do with it when something bad happens is a reflection of us. Repeat something often enough and people believe it. 24/7 coverage of scary, violent acts undoubtedly shapes how we view each other. I think we lost our heads a long time ago and the state of hypervigilance and fear is the new normal.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/21/2013 23:13:11 MDT Print View

Why does it matter how many gun deaths we have? Is there something about gun deaths that make them particularly horrendous? Why not cite all murders instead of just gun murders?

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/21/2013 23:17:41 MDT Print View

well said Luke and Craig

Boston is rare so it's news

Low socio-economic areas that have lots of gun violence aren't news

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Re Who Lost their heads on 04/21/2013 23:23:54 MDT Print View

Jerry did two of us just agree? I must be dreaming:)

Ian Destroyer of Forums
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/21/2013 23:24:31 MDT Print View

Except on very rare occasions, I don't watch any of the major news networks as I find them to be a sub par source of information. I believe that the U.S. has the news we deserve because we'd rather be entertained than informed. I'm not a self-loathing American but watch any of the Hannity/Olberman personalities on TV and it's hard to believe otherwise (yes I'm aware that Keith has moved on to greener pastures.)

If I turn on any of the cable news channels, I expect stories of less significance to be recirculated throughout the day as that is what they've always delivered in the past. I didn't see that this was televised any worse or better than Columbine, Sandy Hook, Iran Hostage Crisis, etc.

As far as gun violence goes, I think its just a simple matter that we've been desensitized to it. It will be a sad day when a terrorist bombing in the U.S. isn't newsworthy.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/21/2013 23:27:09 MDT Print View

"Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily CAR deaths?"

Which are way more than gun deaths. Not even taking into account the air pollution that contributes to many more deaths.

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Re: Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/21/2013 23:35:35 MDT Print View

I lived without a TV for two years and am currently in a house with a TV. It's impossible to watch anymore. Inane. Infuriating. I get my news from the internet (with adblock) but I realize I'm privileged to be able to do so. Not everyone has time to read in-depth articles and check sources and whatnot. For a lot of people TV news is the only source that's practical to access. I don't think it's what they deserve; everyone deserves better.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Re Re Who Lost their heads on 04/21/2013 23:36:49 MDT Print View

Edit speaking of poor news anybody else think this article could be written better?

Seems like lots of oversimplification and false equivalences. His argument is basically "America freaked out over Boston but didn't pass gun laws after Newtown, therefore America has misplaced priorities."

Maybe our priorities are wrong, or maybe there is a difference between reforming guns laws AND mental health laws, AND privacy laws and a mayor making a snap decision in the middle of a crisis?

Edited by Cameron on 04/21/2013 23:39:11 MDT.

Ian Destroyer of Forums
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/22/2013 00:05:42 MDT Print View

"I don't think it's what they deserve; everyone deserves better."

Ethically I agree with you. I believe that journalists should be held to a high standard. The problem is that every time someone tunes in to a politically biased screaming match vs a program with anything resembling journalistic integrity, FOX/NBC/CNN/etc takes notice. I see this as a consumer driven industry.

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who "Lost their heads" on 04/22/2013 00:18:52 MDT Print View

I have to disagree with you somewhat. Visual media marketing leans heavily on innate emotional tendencies. Our brains crave stimulation and watching a pundit cage match pushes those buttons way more than simple reporting. The people running the stations know this is a reliable way to raise ratings and they have to win that game to be profitable. Sensationalism in journalism has been around a long time, but I think it's only since the cable news era that it's gotten so ubiquitous it's become synonymous with what people think of as "news."

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths? on 04/22/2013 00:24:11 MDT Print View

Could this please be moved to chaff?

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths? on 04/22/2013 04:36:35 MDT Print View

I thought about putting it there, except that Chaff has functionally ceased to exist.

Plus, this is "On the Web."

Edited by T.L. on 04/22/2013 06:58:25 MDT.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths? on 04/22/2013 05:03:46 MDT Print View

>Boston is rare so it's news

>Low socio-economic areas that have lots of gun violence aren't news




I think that's the author's point. Why do we essentially as a society not give a Fu&k about certain things?

Yes, there are many more car deaths than gun deaths. It's the tool and the way it is used which makes the gun deaths more a hot-button issue. If someone accidentally pulls out in front of somebody at an intersection or hits a patch of ice going 70 MPH, any injury or death is greatly tragic. Same as those stories of a true gun accident. But those deaths imply something different about our society than when a kid walks into a school and blows away 20 other kids. In both cases, loss of life is terrible, but if you look at the REASONS behind each instance, very different pictures emerge. Death from a terrorist bombing is much closer in INTENT to gun violence than it is to traffic accidents.


And if measures can be taken to decrease traffic deaths and increase safety, then I'm all for that. Oh, wait. Isn't that big government putting its nose in our business and taking away more of our rights?

Edited by T.L. on 04/22/2013 05:14:18 MDT.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Headline: "Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths?" on 04/22/2013 06:44:53 MDT Print View

Not in MY backyard.

Let everyone have guns, and let criminals beware. The mailman better watch out... Bringing ME bills...errrghhh.

Religious/ethnic disputes are responsible for more violence than anything else. Maybe we should outlaw religious and ethnic groups?

If we were to surrender to the Islamic Jihad, who would we surrender to?