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Adan Lopez
(Lopez) - F

Locale: San Gabriel Valley
Knots on 04/15/2013 23:58:05 MDT Print View

I like knots, so I thought I would share my list.

Trucker's hitch for tying down with maximum tension, kayaks, firewood, etc.
Adjustable grip hitch is my newest addition thanks to an earlier post, best adjustable loop and tension adjuster for guy lines.
Round turn and two half hitches for making a rope fast to any post or ring, like mooring my buddy's bass boat.
Sheet bend for joining cord of same or different diameter, joining rope to tarp.
Clove hitch for PCT bear bag method.
Constrictor knot for binding bundles of poles, etc.

I try to find ways of using knots in daily life. Already this saved me some garage space by hoisting my bikes into the rafters. Anybody using interesting or specialized knots at work or at home on a routine basis?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 00:01:21 MDT Print View

A bowline is kind of handy if you need to put a loop on the end of a rope.

A prussik knot is kind of handy if you need to have a moving grasp on a rope.

--B.G.--

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Handy knots on 04/16/2013 01:36:15 MDT Print View

Alpine Butterfly Loop

Dragon Bowline

One-handed Bowline

All manner of pin and spar hitches

Lashing techniques

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: Lartnec Nagihcim
Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 06:39:32 MDT Print View

I use bowlines, figure of eight and round turn with two half hitches most.

J J
(jraiderguy) - M

Locale: Puget Sound
Just discovered the Siberian Hitch on 04/16/2013 09:03:15 MDT Print View

I'm new to knots, but I just discovered the siberian hitch. It is my new favorite knot for tying tarp lines to trees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_hitch

Adan Lopez
(Lopez) - F

Locale: San Gabriel Valley
knots on 04/16/2013 14:54:47 MDT Print View

Hey that Siberian hitch is very cool, thanks for sharing!

Rarely i get to use the Alpine Butterfly, fixed loops in the center of a rope is just not something I need very often. The bowline Ive used alot too, maybe more than any other knot, but I recently decided that the adjustable grip hitch is just as easy with the added benefit of being adjustable.

I'm in the process of teaching my girls (9-13 yrs old) some of the basics, especially when we go camping since I usually have them setup camp for us. So far they have used the bowline for loops on the end of guylines and half hitches for a bunch of other stuff.

Not sure why I'm so drawn to knots. Probably because deep down I know that eventually all civilization will collapse into a fiery inferno of chaos and the only thing that will save my family from complete annihilation is one, well-executed knot.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Shame. on 04/16/2013 15:36:17 MDT Print View

I cannot believe nobody has mentioned the Monkey's Fist, the only knot that can hide a giant gemstone and/or knock someone out cold. A lead fishing weight concealed inside sweetens it up a bit...
It can be used to throw a line ashore, toss a lifeline to a fellow drunken pirate, as well as commit various forms of larceny and aggravated assault.

Adan Lopez
(Lopez) - F

Locale: San Gabriel Valley
Monkey's fist on 04/16/2013 15:50:50 MDT Print View

The Monkey's Fist is just a legend man. Everyone knows that it does not really exist. No living man can form is mysterious curves and bends, much less wield it effectively without killing himself. Everyone, please ignore this man, he obviously has had his cookies tossed one too many times.

I mean, look at his avatar for christ sake.

Edited by Lopez on 04/16/2013 15:54:47 MDT.

Leigh Baker
(leighb) - F

Locale: Northeast Texas Pineywoods
Adan on 04/16/2013 16:08:40 MDT Print View

I think it's great you're teaching your young girls. When I was growing up it wasn't common even to be taught them in girl scouts, at least not the troops I was in. I've become proficient in a few, thanks to YouTube and Animated knots by Grog.com. Bowline, trucker's hitch, clove hitch and marlin spike hitch are the ones I commonly use for backpacking and paddling. I would love to learn more, but find that if I don't use them on a regular basis I don't remember them.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 17:34:16 MDT Print View

One summer while I was in the Army, we had a school of rappelling. Among other tasks, I had to teach the basic knot class. I was amazed at how many guys didn't know how to tie any knots at all other than a granny knot. Even after I supposedly taught them how to tie a bowline and they tied one, we had to go along and check everybody's knots visually before they actually went over a cliff with one.

--B.G.--

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 19:29:10 MDT Print View

I'm still trying to get past the square knot. I did learn how to properly tie my shoe laces a while back though.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 20:39:47 MDT Print View

"...I did learn how to properly tie my shoe laces a while back though."

Do you use an Ian knot or a double slipped reef knot? :)

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 20:51:49 MDT Print View

> Do you use an Ian knot or a double slipped reef knot? :)

Duh? I don't know.

I'm just a dumb backpacker, not a sailor.

All I need to do is tie my shoes, adjust my guy lines once in a while (line locks or fixed guys work better for me), and sometimes hang a bear bag. So I use knots but they are never the same and I only know how to tie one official knot. I don't bring ropes with me either.

All of this sounds mucho macho to me.

... However if it counts, I can overall a car engine :)

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Knots on 04/16/2013 21:02:45 MDT Print View

Well, if I ever need an engine rebuilt, I'll teach you how to tie a few really special knots like the Monkey Fist in return for parts and labor...
Deal?

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 21:04:44 MDT Print View

Deal.

Paul Magnanti
(PaulMags) - MLife

Locale: People's Republic of Boulder
Knots on 04/16/2013 22:18:54 MDT Print View

Back in first grade, Sr Jackie was aghast that I could not tie my shoe laces. This gaunt woman looked uncannily like the actress who played "the wicked witch of the west" from The Wizard of Oz. However, being a French-Canadian nun, Sr Jackie was far scarier.

Sr Jackie made me get in front of the class and I had to practice tieing my shoes in front of everyone until I. Got. It. Right.

My six year old self was sweating bullets. I finally got it right after a half hour of humiliation and embarrassment. Love those old school nuns! :)
I learned both how to tie my shoes and that old French-Canadian nuns could break down a marine drill instructor without breaking a sweat.


So my affinity for knots never did blossom. Sure, I made a half-hearted attempt when I was in Boyscouts for two years. But I never did get past the square knot (And tieing my shoes. 'Natch). Despite my outdoor skills, knot tying was not high on the list of how I could wow people. :)


A few years ago, I started alpine climbing. Somehow learning to tie a knot seemed a tad more important.
The figure 8 was mastered. The clove hitch kept me safely anchored in. A Prussik did wonders.

And unlike Sr Jackie, my climbing buddies aren't quite as scary. They even take turns buying rounds of beer. :)

Richard Gless
(rgless) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Clove hitch as a climbing anchor on 04/16/2013 22:30:04 MDT Print View

I've been climbing in Yosemite and the High Sierra for over 30 yrs. Never heard of using a clove hitch to anchor. Somehow I think I'd like something a little more solid. Just a thought....

Paul Magnanti
(PaulMags) - MLife

Locale: People's Republic of Boulder
Clove hitch on 04/16/2013 23:08:47 MDT Print View

It is for tying INTO the anchor and not the anchor itself.
http://climbing.about.com/od/climbingknots/a/Clove-Hitch-For-Climbing.htm

Being a burly climber of 30 yrs, I suspect you know that....and have no intention of being persnickety and sarcastic to win Internet points. :)

Edited by PaulMags on 04/16/2013 23:13:10 MDT.

Jeremy B.
(requiem) - F

Locale: Northern California
Re: Re: Re: Re: Knots on 04/16/2013 23:39:25 MDT Print View

It always bugged me when one of my shoelace knots would rotate around to point fore-and-aft, rather than lying with ends tidily to each side. I finally figured out why when I found Ian's site, and since then I also use his "better bow" (rabbit goes twice around the tree).

Edited by requiem on 04/16/2013 23:40:01 MDT.

Richard Gless
(rgless) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Clove hitch on 04/17/2013 00:30:15 MDT Print View

I don't want to start an flame war, but, myself, I'd rather take the time to tie a better knot. From the website you referenced.

Problems with the Clove Hitch

The clove hitch, however, does have some problems. These include:
•The clove hitch is not as strong as a figure-8-on-a-bight knot or a self-equalizing figure-8 knot for tying into anchors.
•The clove hitch loses strength if it’s not tightened down after being tied.
•The clove hitch can slip when it’s loaded with either the weight of the belayer or a climber below, especially if it is not tightened.
•The clove hitch can slip if it’s tied with a stiff, wet, or....

It only takes one mistake when you're climbing.

Edited by rgless on 04/17/2013 00:31:13 MDT.