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Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:20:31 MDT Print View

Max,

Plug your gear inventory and weights on GearGrams.com

its a free cool tool, you can generate reports and categorize WORN, CONSUMABLES.

to give you an idea, of starting weight with food, end of trip with less food/water.

Knowing pack weight versus total weight is mildly useful. Example: you get a UL pack, you read reviews that it starts to rip at 30 lbs.

Worn clothes are not in the pack, so you can calculate the gear weight to stuff in the pack before causing it to tear.

I'll play devil's advocate, for the sake of argument.

Worn clothes in excess may cause excessive sweating, over heating. However excess clothes in your pack may annoy the pressure points on your back and waist belt. Also excess weight in your pack may affect your posture.

but a couple of pounds of extra clothes in your pack are not going to turn you into the hunchback of Notre Dame.

Overall, the excess weight of packed vs worn clothes would be negligible.


I understand from my friends that travel airlines, and their luggage are weighed and charged $ per excess ounces at the airport. These guys wear their heaviest clothes, boots, purses on their person, to minimize excess luggage weight charges.
I think this is where the mythology of worn vs packed originated from.

Chris S
(csteutterman) - F

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:24:53 MDT Print View

Once I realized my reluctance to hike naked would prevent me from ever winning an international lightweight gear competition, I decided to stop worrying about it. Even though I'll never win, I still have more fun when I take luxury items like clothing.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:27:02 MDT Print View

There's a hat that I used to wear when staffing a help desk On April 1 each year. It displayed the words:

"I don't know, I don't care, it makes no difference"

Picture me wearing that had as I type this:-)

On the other hand, I have a hiking buddy who's lost a good amount of weight and is touting "Full Spine Out" weight as the relevant measure. That works if you are only competing with yourself ... which is mainly where I am at this point of life.

BTW, our regular customers knew that I usually did know and always did care.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:28:04 MDT Print View

I use a gear list for every hike, and since it is computer-based it calculates base weight, total pack weight (with consumables), and FSO weight.

I think total pack weight is most important, because that weight is going to be attached to a small area of your body. FSO is next in line in importance. Base weight is almost silly unless you are trying to identify what items could possibly be candidates for replacement with lighter alternatives.

When I go on a trip I assemble the best gear I have to meet the conditions for the trip - what weighs, is what it weighs. Fortunately most of my gear options are light pieces. On many trips I could use a 3 ounce pack, but a 3lb pack will make it much easier to handle all the food and water.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:36:14 MDT Print View

for me clothing falls into two categories :

1. clothing that will always be worn on the body
2. clothing that will sometimes be carried in the pack

if it will ever be in the pack I count it as pack weight.

I do not really use the skin out weight measurement,
but I do keep close tabs on the weight of category #1 above and try to shave weight there also, it does count.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Spine Out Weight on 04/12/2013 10:45:00 MDT Print View

"Spine Out Weight"

Laughter can lighten things.

The line above lightened my load considerably.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:51:26 MDT Print View

Well this originated because max believes that because his shorts weigh less than my shorts that I am carrying 4oz extra on my body. because his windpants and the lower half of my zip offs are equal weight added to the pack would be the same.

now, max weighs 35lbs more than i do so I will not be worrying about 4oz extra in pockets that i find quite useful. (pop tarts fit in my cargo pocket quite nicely for a midmorning snack on the fly)

i'm already at the lower end of BMI for my height so i don't think losing body weight is a good idea ;)

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Does Clothing Count? on 04/12/2013 10:55:20 MDT Print View

You'll are wearing me out with this. I'm going for hike this weekend and don't care what my clothes weigh :-)

Tom Lyons
(towaly) - F

Locale: Smoky Mtns.
Need/want on 04/12/2013 11:29:15 MDT Print View

The main reason why I bring ultralight necessary gear is so that I can carry more of what I want to bring, and not feel like I'm lugging the world around.

Sometimes the final load isn't so "ultralight", but the "needs" weigh less, so the "wants" can weigh more.
Like food.

:-)

Edited by towaly on 04/12/2013 11:30:20 MDT.

Kate Magill
(lapedestrienne) - F
sexy counts on 04/12/2013 11:36:25 MDT Print View

My exofficio nomad pants weigh about what a pair of patagonia baggies do. Whenever I buy cheap running shorts they disintegrate by the end of the summer. And if there are nettles or raspberries around and I'm wearing shorts, the skin on my legs disintegrate.

But mostly I wear shorts (or skirts) so I can show off my tatts and my mad hiker calves.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Re: sexy counts on 04/12/2013 11:43:39 MDT Print View

"But mostly I wear shorts (or skirts) so I can show off my tatts and my mad hiker calves."

If I were a chick, I'd wear skirts all the time. The ventilation must be excellent! I know someone here will chime in with, "Wear a kilt...", but I'm not Scottish and I live in Texas, so that might start a ruckus. Shorts are sexy enough for me. Show off all my best BMX scars!

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: sexy counts on 04/12/2013 12:04:35 MDT Print View

"Wear a kilt...", but I'm not Scottish and I live in Texas, so that might start a ruckus

MIGHT? There's little doubt ... except maybe around Austin, where there are a lot of immigrants (from other states).

I'm surprised that the little buddy in Dan's avatar doesn't cause a rukus:-)

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Need/want on 04/12/2013 12:12:44 MDT Print View

Tom Lyons is correct.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Need/want on 04/12/2013 12:30:03 MDT Print View

"Tom Lyons is correct."

Mostly correct. Instead of 'Like food' it should have been 'Like single malt....'

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
doesnt matter on 04/12/2013 13:59:02 MDT Print View

unless you are obsessed with spreadsheets and BPL lists ...

the bottom line is that youre still carrying, so it makes absolutely no difference if you "count" it or not

you could walk around nekkid of course ... just beware of bears seeking mates ;)

Daniel Fish
(daniel@fishfamilypdx.com)

Locale: PDX
... on 04/12/2013 14:33:52 MDT Print View

...

Edited by daniel@fishfamilypdx.com on 06/09/2013 22:00:35 MDT.

Josh Brock
(needsAbath)

Locale: Outside
total weight on 04/12/2013 15:58:40 MDT Print View

I agree with a lot of the people above. If you were going to do skin out weight I would think you would want your body added to that also. I mean you still have to carry it right?

The cloths you wear daily are no different than the body weight you carry daily. The weight there day in and day out I cant see how they differ. The weight of clothes goes up and down and so does body weight.

I think people weigh their pack weight for one purpose. To determine the comfort of their pack during hike. I would think skin out your just trying to get to a low number as the cloths you are wearing should not affect comfort of the weight your carrying.

It really does not matter what method you choose to weigh you and your gear as all you are really doing is creating a point of reference for you to compare to and make adjustments.

Drew Jay
(drewjh) - M

Locale: Central Coast
My take on 04/12/2013 16:08:54 MDT Print View

Base weight and spreadsheets are significant in that they allow you to better evaluate and make choices/changes that impact your total pack weight. I've cut my base weight by 1/2 (long trips) to 2/3 (short trips) since joining this forum which means up to ten pounds less in my backpack on any given trip. That was very much worth doing, and I never would've accomplished it without spreadsheets.

Total pack weight is the only figure that matters to me in the real world. The clothing I wear every day is far heavier than my hiking clothing, so saving a few ounces on a hat or pants or shirt is completely irrelevant to me. I do not walk around in daily life with 10 to 20 pounds hanging off my back though, so reducing total pack weight is very significant.

I carry certain items in pant and shirt pockets for easy access and safety. Mosquito head net, iphone (in shirt pocket,) bug dope, 1/2oz light, emergency items etc. The small loose items go in a zippered pouch attached to a belt loop with a lanyard. This isn't cheating, it is purely practical. If I'm heading into a buggy section or want to take a picture why take off my backpack when I can just reach into a pocket? The fact that it reduces the weight hanging off my back by few ounces is another (admittedly very slight) bonus - win win situation!

Edited by drewjh on 04/12/2013 17:15:03 MDT.

Paul Magnanti
(PaulMags) - MLife

Locale: People's Republic of Boulder
Does clothing count? on 04/12/2013 16:52:26 MDT Print View

If you want it, too. :)

If you load down your cargo pockets with a large knife, a camera, bug dope and enough food to stock a 7/11, it probably should.

If you just wear running shorts and a t-shirt with some chap stick in the running short's small pocket, probably not.



Ultimately, it is up to you and your standards. Use some common sense.

re: gear weight competition

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Is there really such a thing? :)

re: men in kilts

A kilt looks killer on a burly, rugged tall Scott with a claymore. I am sure as heck not going to challenge this dude.

On a short, bald, Mediterranean looking fellow? Well, it may not intimidate people, but the people will convulse with laughter.

Edited by PaulMags on 04/12/2013 16:58:05 MDT.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear) - M
Re: Does clothing count? on 04/12/2013 22:23:28 MDT Print View

Paul, what about a short, rugged, burly Scott looking dude?? A bit o' laughter and a bit of respect?



(don't mind me, a wee bit tipsy this night & not me norm, do ye ken?)


(and yes, i wear kilts sometimes, but not because of my "heritage", but because it allows my boys to breathe)