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TJ Wharton
(Thadjw)
Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/07/2013 18:55:48 MDT Print View

Are there any very light stream-crossing / camp shoes that would be light enough to take on the Sierra segment of a PCT section hike? I'm trying to stay very light of course. Thanks and do you think it's worth carrying this is a question but primarily I'd like ideas of shoe make and model bc I have researched but not found very light items like this!?

Andrew Zajac
(AZajac)

Locale: South West
probably not on 04/07/2013 19:33:17 MDT Print View

What shoes are you planning on hiking in? Most people, at least in this forum and myself included, generally don't carry camp shoes and just let their shoes and feet get wet. Lightweight trail runners are comfortable enough that you don't mind wearing them around camp and they dry quickly. If you are doing long days then you probably aren't spending much time in camp anyways and wouldn't have to worry about camp shoes. If you really want some camp shoes/water crossing shoes, I think that some people will use huaraches (tarahumara style).

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/07/2013 19:40:26 MDT Print View

Time-wise, it is often easiest to just walk through the stream crossings without removing shoes or socks or anything. Some shoes are quicker for drying out than others.

If you have the extra time, then you can pull off your shoes before you cross. With your socks on, you don Tyvek "booties." I made some that are held together with packing tape, and they are held on the foot with some big rubber bands. Then on the other side of the stream, you can remove the Tyvek and wet socks, don dry socks and shoes, and then continue.

There are some camp shoes that weigh a few ounces each, if that seems better.

--B.G.--

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/07/2013 21:11:12 MDT Print View

Camp shoes can be anything from old insoles with string, flip flops, crocs, on up to a second pair of minimalist shoes. If used for water crossings then you may need something more sturdy such as crocs, etc.

There are numerous threads on the subject if you do a search.

Edited by jshann on 04/07/2013 21:21:06 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/07/2013 21:13:37 MDT Print View

> it is often easiest to just walk through the stream crossings without removing shoes
> or socks or anything.
+1

This IS BPL, afetr all.

Cheers

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/07/2013 21:30:36 MDT Print View

> it is often easiest to just walk through the stream crossings without removing shoes
> or socks or anything.
+1

This IS BPL, afetr all.

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Yeah, but the question still seems to come up about once a week.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Better wet shoes than wet everything. on 04/07/2013 21:42:16 MDT Print View

I hate wet shoes probably more than most people, but stream crossing requires secure footing. So, give me quick-draining fast-drying trail shoes, and fluffy socks for camp. Changing shoes just to cross a stream sounds like a PITA, and carrying an extra pair of shoes ain't even on my to-do list.

Todd Taylor
(texasbb) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
This is what you want on 04/07/2013 22:30:42 MDT Print View

http://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/mens/ultra-pure-mens.html

The day mine arrived in the mail I hauled about a half dozen pairs of Crocs, water shoes, sand socks, and other attempts to solve the stream-crossing-and-camp-shoe problem to the thrift store.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Re: This is what you want on 04/07/2013 22:39:42 MDT Print View

Fifty Bucks?! WalMart sells water shoes for ten bucks!

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Just get yer feet wet on 04/08/2013 08:00:19 MDT Print View

I, too, struggled with lots and lots and lots and lots of attempts at "stream crossing" and camp shoes... As soon as I tried trail runners I realized I didn't actually need camp shoes.

Then on a trip to the winds last year a fellow BPLer who I was lucky enough to have him join our trip egged me on and convinced me to just cross! in my shoes. Well...it wasn't the horror I thought it would be and actually felt kinda good! My shoes dried in about a half hour or so of walking and I was completely fine. Honest!!

So now, thanks to mark, I am a total convert. I even did it last weekend in 40 deg temps (quel horreur!!) and again, I was fine and I lived!

So end your search and just go for it. Just keep on walking........stream or no stream...

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear) - M
Re: Just get yer feet wet on 04/08/2013 10:50:23 MDT Print View

Yup, i had some thin, black nylon socks which were primarily nylon microfiber in content, and my Teva shoe/sandal hybrid footwear (i forget the model name), got the lot wet, and it all dried out fairly fast and wasn't that uncomfortable.

Btw, i was surprised that the thin nylon socks didn't stink more after hiking for 14 mi, as well as sleeping in them and wearing the previous day also.

Apparently nylon is less stinky than polyester..?

In a perfect world, they would make a 60% Linen 40% nylon microfiber sock, shirt, shorts etc or just fabric in general... alas, we do not live in a perfect world.

david mathis
(greenflowers)

Locale: West
Ultrapure on 04/08/2013 11:33:29 MDT Print View

I love my Vivobarefoot ultra pure camp / creek shoes!

Angus A.
(mangus7175) - F

Locale: http://theshadedtrail.blogspot.com
Garden Shoes on 04/08/2013 11:46:54 MDT Print View

Bought these a few months ago...weighs less than 6 oz. for the pair. Not bad for $10

http://www.target.com/p/room-essentials-garden-shoe-gray/-/A-14321510#?lnk=sc_qi_detaillink

Josh Brock
(needsAbath)

Locale: Outside
Patagonia Advocate stitch toe on 04/08/2013 13:22:35 MDT Print View

Patagonia makes the Mens advocate also that weigh 4.2 oz. Though it does not indicate whether that is for the pair or per shoe. but sow those in REI and they looked really nice.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Garden Shoes on 04/08/2013 14:18:32 MDT Print View

Them are fugly!

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/08/2013 14:35:07 MDT Print View

I have been looking for a pair of really thin and light flip-flops for changing out of my wet shoes at camp, but everything I find seems to have really thick soles.

Todd Taylor
(texasbb) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: This is what you want on 04/08/2013 19:09:34 MDT Print View

"Fifty Bucks?! WalMart sells water shoes for ten bucks!"

Yep, there was a pair of those among the load I took to the thrift store. There are several issues with the Wally World shoes:

1) They absorb water, so they can't be used as camp shoes when it's cold (if you crossed any streams recently).

2) They weigh at least double, sometimes triple what the Vivos weigh.

3) They don't pack nearly as small.

4) They don't come in size 15. Okay, maybe you don't care about that one, but I do.

The $50 was certainly painful, but it's a lot less than I've spent through the years on all the other fails. I'm happy. :-)

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: Just get yer feet wet on 04/08/2013 19:15:39 MDT Print View

For colder temps I take Gore Tex socks to wear inside my wet shoes. My feet stay warm and dry. My body heat helps dry the shoes faster than them just sitting out. Just a thought.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
shoes on 04/08/2013 19:48:49 MDT Print View

Not necessary.

Andrew Urlacher
(anarkhos) - M

Locale: Front Range CO
Barefoot? on 04/08/2013 19:55:20 MDT Print View

Am I the only person willing to go barefoot? Granted the only water I ever cross isn't exactly a raging river and it's pretty pristine and clear so I can see what I'm doing, but still...

James Winstead
(James_W) - M

Locale: CA
Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes on 04/08/2013 23:39:38 MDT Print View

I 2nd or 3rd or 100th or whatever about just crossing in trail runners. If your looking for camp use out of potentially damp shoes, bring the plastic baggies from the produce aisle.

Get to camp, do your foot care routine, whatever that may or may not be, then throw your second dry socks on, put your feet in the baggies, then back in the shoes. For a long trip, maybe bring a few sets of bags if your worried about wearing them out.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes on 04/08/2013 23:44:10 MDT Print View

"bring the plastic baggies from the produce aisle. "

Those plastic bags are also good for keeping leeches out of your socks.

--B.G.--

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes on 04/11/2013 23:43:59 MDT Print View

Yep - +1 on plastic bag booties. I have an old a pair of golite nylon vapor barrier socks. I think they only made them for about 6-12 months after they started selling stuff. I almost always carry them. I use them exactly as described by the previous poster, plus the vapor barrier/ plastic bag socks can be used in a pinch if your feet are too cold in the morning, especially when shoving them into half frozen shoes. They really take the edge off wonderfully (and still surprisingly) - all for about an oz.

I have a fused ankle (a bit like having a cast on one of my feet). There is always some sort of narrow fallen log crossing taunting me, but grace is just not my strong area. So plowing right though the stream is the only viable option. If anyone is looking I try to pretend I wouldn't have it any other way.

Edited by millonas on 04/11/2013 23:46:29 MDT.

Ozzy McKinney
(PorcupinePhobia) - F

Locale: PNW
Remove socks/insoles? on 04/12/2013 12:32:01 MDT Print View

I found it saves me sogginess and drying time to remove my socks and insoles from my shoes and replacing them after dumping the water out on the far side. Probably not really needed, but it doesn't take long and requires no extra gear.

William Segraves
(sbill9000) - F - M
Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/12/2013 19:37:00 MDT Print View

When I feel like I want some stream-crossing shoes and care enough about weight to do something other than clip on a ~ 10 oz pair of plastic sandals, I usually go with Vincere Grip Sand Socks with scavenged running shoe thin foam insoles inside them for a little extra padding (< 5 oz/pair for size 12-13 feet).

Those Vivobarefoot Ultras look pretty cool. Anyone know what they weigh in largeish sizes?

Best,

Bill S.

Todd Taylor
(texasbb) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Light stream-crossing / camp shoes? on 04/12/2013 22:15:00 MDT Print View

"Those Vivobarefoot Ultras look pretty cool. Anyone know what they weigh in largeish sizes?"

I have the largest size they make (47 IIRC) and they're 4.6oz per shoe.

TJ Wharton
(Thadjw)
Thank you for answers! on 04/12/2013 23:45:51 MDT Print View

Many excellent responses to question I started (probably in wrong section and thanks for not getting me on this one -- seems like this is a good place for any potentially interesting bp discussion though).

For the interest of all debaters here I think that the best answer (in one humble person''s vieww of course) is to use bags of some type over the feet. I love zpacks stuff and after I heard this suggestion I contacted joe at zpacks and he said I'd best talk to ben of goosefeet while CCing the gentleman himself. Ben has dyneema and other fabric for this and does things of this type. He doesn't seam seal though he said. I'll see if he knows another producer that does this with enough skill to hold up for some pretty big streams.

Otherwise I may just travel light and use multiple grocery store bags ... or maybe a couple of small garbage bags ... over my shoes and just make that work. I can tromp through some streams but if I'm doing a big Sierra section I'd like to prepare to avoid some soaking at times. Thanks again for all opinions and some more opinions on this latest idea are always welcome.

(The shoe ideas all look like nice shoes but 9oz or so is not a small deal I think bros and sisses.)

Susan Papuga
(veganaloha) - M

Locale: USA
Re: Thank you for answers! on 04/14/2013 04:48:19 MDT Print View

Thad,

I wear trail runners and just cross streams with them on. However, I will admit that one of my "luxury" items is a light pair of slippers aka flip-flops. I htink mine weigh just over 5 oz, for the pair. My slippers are for camp, around town, any time I don't want to wear closed shoes. I live in slippers at home and only wear runners of any kind for athletic endeavors so my feet just aren't used to being in shoes. So the sooner I can get out of them the better after a day of hiking.

Susan