Rab Latok Alpine vs. Kinetic???
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Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
Rab Latok Alpine vs. Kinetic??? on 04/06/2013 23:49:25 MDT Print View

Hey Guys... Time for a new rainjacket. My current jacket is an older EMS and weighs a whopping 1.5#...so, either of these will be a large improvement.

Can anyone who owns (or has owned) both compare/contrast/recommend either the Latok Alpine or Kinetic???

Looks like the Latok Alpine can be had for ~$140 and the Kinetic for ~$100.

I was also considering the Westcomb Specter LT at ~$190.

Input please...

TIA
-Mark in St. Louis

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: Rab Latok Alpine vs. Kinetic??? on 04/07/2013 01:30:53 MDT Print View

The Latok Alpine weighs 19oz which is almost the same as your "whopping" EMS jacket. Aside from having eVent there's really no advantage to upgrading from a weight perspective. The Kinetic is cheaper and much lighter at 8 oz...that's an entire pound of weight savings for a relatively cheap "benjamin." Probably the cheapest way to drop a pound of weight without just leaving gear at home.

Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: Re: Rab Latok Alpine on 04/07/2013 07:24:55 MDT Print View

Did you weigh one you own at 19 0z.?

BPL threads I've read put the weight at 15-16oz.

Also, my EMS just isn't doing it's job from a WP standpoint any longer and it is an Xl, from a time when I weighed 240# (I'm 6' 180# now).

I really like the weight of the Kinetic...and....we're heading towards Spring/Summer of course. Is its "longterm" WP performance as good as people have said in older threads. I want something that is an improvement...I'm currently wetting out, in some areas, in 2 hours or so.

TA

-Mark

Edited by buldogge on 04/07/2013 07:26:56 MDT.

Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
Bump... on 04/07/2013 22:03:21 MDT Print View

Anyone have any input...please...???

-Mark

Martin RJ Carpenter
(MartinCarpenter) - F
Wetting out on 04/08/2013 04:21:03 MDT Print View

That will depend on the DWR of the face fabric, which will probably be an improvement (with either) initally but then degrade over time because these things do. You shouldn't be getting rain through where that happens mind. More condensation in those areas yes.

Nothing lasts all *that* long on the shoulders in continous rain.

Very long term (years) the Event stuff will probably last longer due to the construction. (Although I have no genuine idea.).

If weight matters the Latok Alpine isn't RABs most logical Event jacket by some way - its 540g. The momentum is listed at 360 and a few options at +- 400g.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
rab latok alpine on 04/08/2013 04:23:01 MDT Print View

My Rab Latok Alpine in size small weighs 15.5oz, so it's not too far fetched to think that every subsequent size is another ounce or so, meaning aprox 16.5 for med, 17.5 for large, etc etc.

The 2.5L pertex shield used in the kinetic is pretty popular fabric for wispy rainjackets. I used to own a OR helium that used the same fabric.

The 3L event in the latok alpine will be more breathable, a lot more durable and feel nicer against bare skin. The pertex kinetic is best for a rain jacket that will see most of its life in your backpack and the occasional passing storms. That said, it'll do fine be constantly worn while hiking in steady rain...just know it's limitations on durability (wear and tear from being underneath your pack) and comfort (limited breathability). The Latok Alpine is meant more for spring/shoulder season winter sports like mountaineering, skiing, snowboarding etc, as it's weight and durability are a little too overbuilt for typical trail use, but would provide the most comfortable experience (superior hood design and better breathability.)

Maybe look for something more in between these 2 extremes, like the Westcomb you mentioned, or a less stout eVent jacket like the Rab Pull-on, or those similar offerings by montane. There's plenty of eVent jackets in the 9-11oz weight range, but they might not be found at the price point of the 2 rabs discussed earlier.

Edited by Konrad1013 on 04/08/2013 04:24:23 MDT.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Rab demand on 04/08/2013 07:28:57 MDT Print View

I have the demand pull on and it is an excellent jacket. I've been using it as my shell for bike commuting here in chicago all winter and have nothing bad to say about it. I love the fit (and its a men's!), its got great butt coverage, I like the long sleeves...and this is my first eVent and I have to say I do like it better than my older Haglofs gore active shell. I took it on a backpacking trip two weeks ago and have to say I no longer drool over the wispy 8 oz shells. I really like this jacket.

They are on sale all over the place now ($175 ish), 9-10oz depending on size, and you can't go wrong.

Edited by Jenmitol on 04/08/2013 07:30:10 MDT.

Martin RJ Carpenter
(MartinCarpenter) - F
Seemingly canned on 04/08/2013 08:50:33 MDT Print View

Looks from RABs website like they've stopped doing the Demand now, hence those sales. Both the pull on and the jacket.

I'm not really sure why but suppose its a consequence of their developing all of the pertex shield+ stuff.

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
Rab Latok Alpine on 04/08/2013 09:54:02 MDT Print View

My Rab Latok Alpine in size XL weighs 491 g =17.3 oz by my scale. I'm 5'8", 170lb and XL is the size it took to fit a lofty puffy underneath it. It's very nicely made and I like it. The Demand is attractive, but I couldn't afford it when I bought this.

Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
RE: Rab Demand on 04/08/2013 09:59:48 MDT Print View

Hey...Thanx for the replies. I think I would rather stay away from an anorak set-up, although the lower weight is nice.

Does anyone have recent/longterm experience with either:

Rab Kinetic

or

Mountain Hardwear Trice.

I would really like to stay under $150 if possible...maybe the Kinetic is the way to go, going into the spring/summer and I can search for a heavier 3-layer later.

???

TA
-Mark

Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: Rab Latok Alpine on 04/08/2013 10:01:35 MDT Print View

Hey Walter...How do you find the breathability without pit zips, i.e. on long ascents??? Do the chest pockets do a decent job as an alternative?

TIA
-Mark

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
Latok on 04/08/2013 12:29:03 MDT Print View

I have a RAB Latok (not Alpine on the tag but looks like the current Alpine i.e. two a line and two internal rather than 4 external pockets. Anyway it's a terrific jacket - kept me nice and dry on my last trip where day one was comprised from start to late afternoon of snow, sleet, freezing rain and regular rain. Held up great and fits great. I know it isn't the lightest option but it's pretty light and certainly is lighter than the 3 ply GoreTex Moonstone jacket it replaced which was substantial.

And eVent breathes a lot better in my experience.

I'm 5'10" 185 and wear a large. I've worn a Polartec thermal pro fleece under it as well as a Montbell Thermawrap and can fit a Brooks Range BR down sweater under it as well. I might not be able to fit a really big puffy but the others all work fine.

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
Rab Latok Alpine breathability on 04/08/2013 14:22:50 MDT Print View

"Hey Walter...How do you find the breathability without pit zips, i.e. on long ascents??? Do the chest pockets do a decent job as an alternative?"
I like the breathability of the Rab Latok Alpine; event seems to work as advertised.
But, I've never liked pit zips and mainly got the jacket for winter, wind exposure and bushwhacking when Dri Ducks are too fragile. I don't think the pockets are all that great at venting (but the pit zips I've had weren't either). I like the full zip rather than pullover because it's easier to adjust warmth. Also, except in very cold temps when I'm wearing a lot underneath, it's oversized for me and vents well with the waist loosened.

Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: Rab Latok Alpine breathability on 04/08/2013 20:23:38 MDT Print View

Hey Walter and Phillip...Thanx for the input on the Latok.

Does anyone think it's "worth" $42 difference to save 5oz. by buying the Drillium over the Latok Alpine?

Also, one-on-oneish battle @ $180-190 Drillium or Westcomb Specter LT???

TA
-Mark

Mark Andrews
(buldogge) - F

Locale: Midwest
To Summarize... on 04/09/2013 10:21:14 MDT Print View

OK...I gotta get off the pot here...

Any final input on this list of choices?

Rab Latok Alpine $140
Rab Drillium $182
Rab Kinetic $105
Mountain Hardwear Trice $140
Westcomp Specter LT $192

Final thoughts..???

TIA
-Mark

Also, if anyone has any of the above jackets they are looking to move for cheap(ish) in M or L (depending on jacket) PLEASE let me know!