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Maia Jordan
(maia) - MLife

Locale: Rocky Mountains
New Balance 889 Multisport Review on 04/02/2013 21:28:17 MDT Print View

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New Balance 889 Multisport Review

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: New Balance 889 Multisport Review on 04/03/2013 06:09:00 MDT Print View

How well do they dry after getting wet? Does it take forever?

Mina Loomis
(elmvine) - MLife

Locale: Central Texas
men's vs women's on 04/03/2013 10:23:00 MDT Print View

So, looking at the NB web site, it looks like the brown ones are the men's model and the blue ones are the women's model. The blue ones in the NB pictures and in your article look like the ventilation holes in the front portion of the upper are larger. Are there other differences you noticed?

Mark Gallagher
(sup2u)

Locale: SF Bay Area
but no NB Rock Stop Technology on 04/03/2013 15:45:14 MDT Print View

these would be perfect were it not for the bruising potential on my favorite dried creek/sharp rock bed. Did I see somebody saying that they were going to experiment w/a milk carton plate for just such an occasion? How'd that work out, cause this would be a candidate shoe for it (at least in my mind.)

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: New Balance 889 Multisport Review on 04/03/2013 15:55:09 MDT Print View

> How well do they dry after getting wet? Does it take forever?
Not the fastest for drying, but they do dry after a while.
And that never worried us anyhow.

I had better add that there is a long way between 'a bit damp' and 'dry'. They don't hold buckets of water. It'sd thge tail of the drying cycle that takes time.

Cheers

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: men's vs women's on 04/03/2013 16:02:04 MDT Print View

The NB web site shows both brown and blue as colours for the Mens model. Ours are both Mens models, and they are both blue.

Yes, it does look as though the Womens version has larger holes. Dunno why. Haven't actually seen them in the hand as both of us take a Mens fitting. My wife thinks the whole idea of a separate Womens fitting is plain stupid anyhow.

Edit:
Even the NB pics I used seem a bit varied as to the holes at the front! Fwiiw, ours have the smaller holes. I think I prefer the smaller holes as I think they keep the dirt out better, but it's marginal.

Why did I use pics supplied by NB for some of the illustrations? Because for a couple of months while we were field testing the shoes my camera was in for repairs. All I had was a mobile phone which took 320x240 images. Yuk! In the end, Canon replaced my G11 camera with a new G15. Very nice.

Cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 04/03/2013 16:15:57 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: but no NB Rock Stop Technology on 04/03/2013 16:04:36 MDT Print View

> bruising potential on my favorite dried creek/sharp rock bed.
I would be pretty sure that the Vibram soles on these would NOT suffer that problem. The Vibram technology does not use the New Balance RockStop technology, but it does not need to imho.

Cheers

Danny Buzzell
(dannybuzzell@hotmail.com)
Vibram Company Location on 04/03/2013 16:17:45 MDT Print View

I live in central assachusetts - very close to the original home Vibram factory located in North Brookfield, Ma. Very little Italian spoken in the area.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Hmmmm... on 04/03/2013 16:44:47 MDT Print View

I still dunno about these NB hiking shoes. They seem a bit lighter in the sole than I prefer for protection from rocks. But then, I haven't seen them yet so maybe I'm wrong.

My Merrill Moab Ventilators (also W/ Vibram soles) seem just about right for sole protection. The weight is also pretty low and the durability is good.

BUT, I do like the NB leather toe. My Moabs have fabric mesh in that vulnerable area and I've had to coat a 3/4" wide area with Shoe Goo to reinforce it. I'd bet the NB is a very durable shoe.

Edited by Danepacker on 04/03/2013 16:47:23 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Hmmmm... on 04/03/2013 17:34:28 MDT Print View

Hi Eric

> They seem a bit lighter in the sole than I prefer for protection from rocks.
They are actually a bit stiffer in the sole than some of the other NB shoes we have reviewed. I really don't think you would suffer from the rocks.

my wife wears these walking, but not running. She needs a lighter sole for running.

Cheers

Tjaard Breeuwer
(Tjaard) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota, USA
Re: Vibram Company Location on 04/03/2013 20:53:03 MDT Print View

From wikipedia:

Vibram S.p.A. is an Italian company based in Albizzate that both manufactures and licenses the production of Vibram-branded rubber outsoles for footwear. The company is named after its founder, Vitale Bramani.[1]

Bramani is credited with inventing the first rubber lug soles for shoes. These soles were first used on mountaineering boots, replacing leather soles fitted with hobnails or steel cleats, commonly used up until then.

Paul Melzer
(pmbooks)

Locale: SoCal
high heels on 04/04/2013 06:32:58 MDT Print View

I was excited when I spied the passage re the midsole and footbed being flat. (100% agree) However, when I looked into them further I find that they're pretty much the standard high heel shoes that have been the norm, with a huge 12mm drop from the heel to the forefoot. Not sure why this point's not as important as the flatness of the midsole. Think about it, when you're heading downhill, those shoes are foisting extra 12mm effort (angle) onto the heels (etc). And I've never thought that the cost was worth trading for a more elevated heel on the ascents (making the step more level).

New Balance are my current faves for mountain running shoes (MT110, 4mm drop)—wish they made the 889 with low or zero drop. What you write about the medical claims for built-up insoles, etc, applies equally to high highs, imo.

Edited by pmbooks on 04/04/2013 10:34:54 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: high heels on 04/04/2013 15:19:58 MDT Print View

> those shoes are foisting extra 12mm effort (angle) onto the heels (etc).
We did not notice the 'drop'; I would not call them 'high heel shoes' at all.

Anyhow, the web site says they have a 10 mm drop, not a 12 mm one.

Me, I think that the flat heel business may have been slightly exaggerated recently: it certainly is no where near as bad as the gimmicks. Making the change from flipflops/thongs I wear most of the time (which are pretty flat) to these shoes does not cause any sensation of 'high heels', so we didn't worry about that.

YMMV

Cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 04/04/2013 15:54:47 MDT.

Mo Rodopsky
(rhodopean) - MLife
4E not as wide as other models on 04/05/2013 19:41:13 MDT Print View

Roger,

I ordered these in 4E width and returned them because I noticed they were not as wide as other "all mesh" NB trail runners. I haven't measured them but they just didn't feel wide enough.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: 4E not as wide as other models on 04/06/2013 03:19:05 MDT Print View

> I ordered these in 4E width and returned them because I noticed they were not as wide
> as other "all mesh" NB trail runners. I haven't measured them but they just didn't
> feel wide enough.
Hum ... odd. I did not notice anything like that myself.

It may be that you had been used to a different last with a bigger volume at the front. They exist, and this certainly can happen. Sigh - everyone's feet are different. Hey - my left foot is different from my right foot!

Cheers

Lapsley Hope
(Laps) - M
Boots on 04/06/2013 16:18:08 MDT Print View

Some of us dinosaurs still prefer the well constructed "boot" for rough terrain, but so it goes, thank goodness for choices in the matter.

Paul Melzer
(pmbooks)

Locale: SoCal
Re: Re: high heels on 04/08/2013 14:40:27 MDT Print View

Thanks, Roger. You know, the human race has no doubt prospered over the course of shoes having heels, high, or otherwise (i.e., heels have not stood in the way of progress). But, fashion/beauty debate aside, I can't think of a single reason that elevated heels on shoes are of any use, athletic or otherwise. If the history were reversed, and elevated heels were the newly introduced craze, the same sense of curiosity would certainly arise.

I don't run barefoot, except from time to time in grass or on the beach, but I do run some in flat huaraches that I make (talk about cheap footwear!). I prefer shoes for my mountain running and would love to find some more serious trail shoes sans heel, since it's taken me a couple of years to strengthen my feet/ankles to not be so heavy on my heels (an obvious byproduct of elevated heels). BTW, I used the phrase "high heels" with some humor, since the phrase is so relegated to women's fashion footwear.

Anyway, thanks again for the review.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: high heels on 04/08/2013 17:31:46 MDT Print View

> I can't think of a single reason that elevated heels on shoes are of any use,
> athletic or otherwise.

Have you ever ridden a horse?
And bear in mind that the nobility always set the tone for the aspirants.
And remember that the extra inch or two in height can be very useful for dominance.

Cheers

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: high heels and ankle stability on 04/09/2013 12:18:41 MDT Print View

The further one's heel is from the ground, the easier it is to turn the ankle, which hurts a lot. Hiking boots try to compensate with ankle support, but that introduces other problems, as we know.

Roger points out the usefulness of heel height for dominance. Cowboy boots are especially good in this regard with their high heels and their pointed toes, which are suited to kicking social inferiors. However, the backcountry is supposed to be egalitarian, and so the cowboy boots are best left behind.

Erik Basil
(EBasil)

Locale: Atzlan
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: high heels and ankle stability on 04/09/2013 14:37:49 MDT Print View

I can think of several examples, including my riding boots for horses and motorcycles and my hiking boots, where having a lifted heel is better than not. But the most important thing for me with these New Balance shoes is how shapely they make Roger's calves.