DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April
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Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Why the SE is locked on during an SOS on 04/07/2014 23:41:07 MDT Print View

"It's sad to read of someone ordering some sophisticated piece of gear to be used on a big trip into the middle of nowhere starting the next day. That's learning the hard way."

There is a fool who can overcome any foolproof scheme.

Oh, by the way, I was curious about the maximum specifications for inReach altitude and velocity, so I contacted Delorme tech support. They responded that there were none. Well, that is a bunch of b.s., because the GPS standards document says that a civilian GPS receiver cannot report anything higher than one certain altitude or anything faster than one certain velocity. Anything beyond that, and the civilian GPS receiver is considered to be acting as guidance in a munition.

EDIT: I looked it up in the official GPS spec. Civilian GPS receivers are restricted to 550 mph velocity and 18 km altitude.


--B.G.--

Edited by --B.G.-- on 04/08/2014 00:03:07 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
New DeLorme InReach Explorer (i.e., SE w/ *nearly* full-fledged GPSr functions) on 04/22/2014 18:53:40 MDT Print View

So close yet so far (i.e., no base maps):
http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/inreach-explorer.php
http://forum.delorme.com/index.php?/topic/21564-topographic-maps-on-new-inreach-explorer/

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: New DeLorme InReach Explorer (i.e., SE w/ *nearly* full-fledged GPSr functions) on 04/22/2014 21:13:05 MDT Print View

Hmmm.

Seems like you would still like to have a Bluetooth display device for map stuff with the forthcoming inReach Explorer. It doesn't sound like a compelling upgrade. As mentioned previously (at boring length and repetition), I use an iPod Touch (5th gen) with Gaia GPS for mapping. Don't care much for Earthmate. I've been skiing backcountry in the southern San Juans of Colorado all season with this kit. Once I got the moves down, and DeLorme got the firmware firmed up, it's all been good.

I recently downgraded from the Recreation Plan to the new Safety Plan. Half the price and everything I need. Preset messages can be used as manual tracking points, and they have no marginal cost.

Edited by JimSubzero on 04/22/2014 21:17:43 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 04/25/2014 15:55:54 MDT Print View

Just got the Panasonic Li NCR18650A cells and Miller ML102 Charger/Recharger plus a short USB micro-B cable from FastTech. Not very fast: three weeks. But cheap! Thanks to Mike W and William Wang for the suggestions.

The ML102 with a single 18650 and a 12" USB micro-B cable weighs virtually the same as the Energizer PP-3AAMC loaded with 3 Li AAs. Using the technical spec sheets for both kinds of cells I calculated that the three Li AAs have about 12.6Wh capacity and that a single NCR18650A has about 11.2Wh capacity. The AAs are not rechargeable, but the 18650 is rechargeable. The ratio of their two capacities is about nine to eight. Panasonic makes a higher capacity 18650 (3400 mAh vs 3100 mAh) which would reduce the difference with the Ultimate Lithium AAs to a negligible level. It was out of stock when I ordered.

The calculations above do not take into account the associated electronics for the two chargers. I assume that they both have similar efficiencies and that they both are high.

Both chargers can provide more than adequate current at the correct voltage to charge the inReach SE. It seems the biggest difference is the ability to recharge 18650 cells against Li AAs being discarded when they are dead. Each kind of cell has advantages in some conditions.

I have briefly tested the ML102 loaded with its 18650 cell for charging compatibility. No complaints from the inReach SE, the iPod Touch, or a Bad Elf GPS Pro. The iPod and Bad Elf required tip adapters. These weigh a gram or so apiece.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 04/28/2014 12:14:15 MDT Print View

Actual use report on the rechargeable Li-ion charger.

The Miller ML 102 with a Panasonic NCR18650A installed recharged the SE, which was down 7% from the day's use, as quickly as a powered USB port, roughly 45 minutes. The iPod Touch, which was down to about one third capacity, also recharged quickly (much faster than the SE, probably due to a much smaller battery). After this tiny orgy of recharging, I measured the Li-ion NCR18650A cell's voltage. It was a robust 3.8V.

A little more on the ML 102: It is both a charger and a recharger. You can charge a single 18650 cell from a standard USB2 port using a USB cable with a micro-B tip, plugging it into the micro-B socket on the ML 102. The same cable plugged into the USB2 port on the ML 102 is used to recharge devices like the SE that have a micro-B socket for recharging.

I'm guessing that the capacity of the NCR18650A cell (3100 mAh) is roughly the same as the SE's battery. I've submitted the question to DeLorme support.

And if anyone has an iOS device with the new Lightning connector (like me), I have this advice. Non-Apple Lightening connectors, even the ones that claim to be blessed by Apple, are not very reliable. I've had to discard two. The Apple cable is still working. I hate to pay $20 for a micro-B to Lightning tip adapter, but that may be the price of reliability. Not strictly passive, it has a chip in it.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/28/2014 12:38:41 MDT Print View

"What kind of battery is in an inReach and how long does it last?
If you are planning to be off the grid for an extended period of time, we suggest that you carry a solar charger with you. The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh capacity at 3.7 V. The inReach SE has been tested to last 100 hours, based on transmitting one track point every 10 minutes with a clear view of the sky. Actual results will vary based on individual usage based on the level and types of functions you are performing on the device. The inReach battery charging temperature range is 32 F to 113 F (0 C to +45 C). The original inReach 1.5 model runs on two lithium AA batteries and provides about 125 hours of continuous operation at the 10-minute tracking interval with a clear view to the sky. inReach 1.5 also supports the use of alkaline and nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries. Using these batteries with the same 10-minute tracking interval delivers 75 hours with NiMH and 72 hours with alkaline."

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/faq.php

Edited by jimlarkey on 04/28/2014 12:40:04 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/28/2014 13:11:41 MDT Print View

Thanks, Jim, for that info.

It seems that a 3.7V 3100mAh cell like the 18650 I've been testing would have more than enough juice to double the charge life of the SE, assuming reasonable efficiency.

Fred Eoff
(fredeoff) - F - M

Locale: Northwest
Re: Re: The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/29/2014 10:51:05 MDT Print View

So is the standard InReach SE battery easily replaceable? I've never taken the time to check that frankly.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/29/2014 11:50:08 MDT Print View

"So is the standard InReach SE battery easily replaceable? I've never taken the time to check that frankly."

It depends what you mean by easy. For us civilians, not easy. That's why we are talking about rechargers.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Recreation Plan jumped $2.76 to $29.88, mostly Fed USF Cellular on 05/07/2014 23:46:10 MDT Print View

DeLorme inReach monthly Recreation Plan is advertised at $24.95.

For many months my bill was $27.12, including seven added fees. You don't get to see all the fees until your first bill.

This month it's $29.88, an increase of $2.76, mostly a $2.62 increase in the "Fed USF Cellular" fee.

DeLorme is following AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon's playbook - gradually ratchet up the fees while holding down the advertised price. Like boiling a frog, they hope you won't notice and bail out. As with AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon, it's not like you have a lot of choices.

-- Rex

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
Recreation Plan $30.71 for $24.95 Plan on 05/08/2014 05:11:40 MDT Print View

Just another data point, my latest is $30.71 for "$24.95" plan.

Donald Browning
(docdb) - M

Locale: SE USA
Re: Re: Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 05/08/2014 05:42:31 MDT Print View

Jim,
I've bought the Miller unit you described, but was surprised to find that some of my 18650 batteries were too long to fit the unit. I use the 18650s for headlights and to have a way to recharge the iphone is a bonus. I did not find any information on the web regarding different length 18650s, but "protected", "non-protected" may be the difference. Any info?
Don

Donald Browning
(docdb) - M

Locale: SE USA
Woops on 05/08/2014 05:46:17 MDT Print View

Woops,
I see this was covered two pages back.
Don

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 05/08/2014 08:16:16 MDT Print View

Yes, Don, the Miller ML105 cannot charge all 18650 Li cells. The "flat" ones are just the right length. The "button" style, where the + terminal protrudes (like a AA), is just a little bit too long. Very careful reading of the info on the ML105 is required to pick out this detail. When I ordered the 18650 cells I checked the manufacturer's spec sheet to make sure the cells would fit.

So, it seems that 18650 cells (among others), in addition to differences in capacity, also differ in whether they are "protected" and in whether they are "flat". I'm under the impression (possibly mistaken) that "protected" means that the cell shuts itself down when the voltage falls below some threshold. I hate it when that happens! I prefer that decision to be made by the electronics being powered.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
protected 18650 size... on 05/08/2014 15:40:13 MDT Print View

Technically, I don't think the button top is the issue it's the added circuitry that makes the protected cells longer. That said, I don't think I've seen a non-protected 18650 that wasn't a flat top.

If you want to use your protected button top 18650's, then pick up the eNB 1A 1/2 charger/battery bank . It will take either protected or unprotected cells and the weight of the unit is only slightly heavier than the Miller charger. (Miller = 1.2 oz, eNB = 1.6 oz). The eNB charger can use either one or two of the 18650's as it's power supply and as mentioned, it uses protected or unprotected cells (my unprotected button top Eagtac cells fit just fine).

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: protected 18650 size... on 05/08/2014 21:00:48 MDT Print View

I was just looking at specs for a variety of 18650 cells, both protected and not. For the same capacity a protected cell will be longer due to the extra circuitry. However, you can find protected cells that will fit the ML 105.

So complicated!

UPDATE: (later the same day)

Here's a guy in Denmark who's really into this stuff -- batteries, chargers, testing:

http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html

The last three items on his index tell you what you need to know to read the rest of the site without feeling like an idiot.

By the way, how do you post a civilized link in these messages?

Edited by JimSubzero on 05/08/2014 23:25:02 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 08:27:52 MDT Print View

By the way, how do you post a civilized link in these messages?

The old-fashioned way ...

<a href="http://www.backpackinglight.com">BackpackingLight</a>
becomes
BackpackingLight

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 05/13/2014 08:29:18 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 08:35:36 MDT Print View

Very good, Rex, posting the characters such that they don't get expanded into the link

although, since it says "edited by..." I see it took you several attempts : )

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 08:41:52 MDT Print View

Wow! Rex, that's pretty primitive. You have to know the ancient tongue HTML to post a comely link to a URL. So nineties!

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 22:43:34 MDT Print View

Most of my posts take two or three post/edit/repost cycles to get right, and that's after editing offline in TextWrangler for the longer pieces!

BPL supports a limited range of HTML markup, documented somewhere around here.

Other useful bits:
<b>bold</b> bold
<i>italics</i> italics

Lists are usually more trouble than they are worth, especially since you can't put natural line breaks in without weird results.
<ol><li>First line in list</li><li>Second line in list</li><li>...</li></ol>

  1. First line in list
  2. Second line in list
  3. ...


-- Rex