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Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 03/31/2013 11:36:33 MDT Print View

DeLorme released details the inReach SE on their web site today:

http://inreachdelorme.com/product-info/inreachse.php

"*Now accepting pre-orders. Expected ship date is mid to late April"

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 03/31/2013 12:22:20 MDT Print View

Rex, let us know if you see any fair reviews on this product, or on the Iridium service. I realize that those are two separate issues.

--B.G.--

Barbara K
(Barbara)

Locale: So Cal
cost & fees on 03/31/2013 16:44:57 MDT Print View

From what I can tell on the info, it's $299.95 for the device; $20 to activate the subscription, then there's a choice of 3 subscription. The Safety is $119.40 a year and that covers 10 texts and preset texts a month. After that there's a fee per text. The Recreational subscription is $311.40 a year and allows 40 texts a month or unlimited preset texts. You can also get the 4 month seasonal subscription for $159.80. I didn't check out the Expedition subscription. They all include unlimited SOS calls. The weight is 6.7ozs.

Andrew U
(anarkhos) - M

Locale: Colorado, Wyoming
Re: cost & fees on 03/31/2013 17:05:30 MDT Print View

The Safety subscription also doesn't have free tracking. They would charge you $0.25 for every track point. Actually isn't that bad when you realistically break down how many times per month you would use tracking. Unless the spouse/parent/concerned friend demands you upload your position every 10 minutes.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 03/31/2013 23:42:12 MDT Print View

Bob,

Unless DeLorme seeded pre-release inReach SE devices with a few reviewers, we won't see reviews until sometime after the first units ship.

The inReach SE is an all new design for DeLorme, using the newer Iridium 9603 modem ($300 each in small quantities!), versus the Iridium 9602 modem in the first generation inReach models. The 9603 is smaller and lighter, with the same power requirements, but there could be some Iridium performance differences. We'll see.

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 03/31/2013 23:56:40 MDT Print View

Rex, let's stay tuned in for more news and reviews. It will be interesting to see if there are any geographic performance problems since most LEO constellations are definable patterns.

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Thoughts on DeLorme inReach SE on 04/03/2013 00:01:08 MDT Print View

Some pros and cons of the inReach SE versus inReach Smartphone, based purely on specifications.

Pros:
- Full standalone SMS texting using cursor keys, virtual keyboard, and predictive texting. You can leave your smart phone behind, and still have full two-way communications.
- Built-in color screen
- 27 grams lighter, pretty amazing considering the added features.
- Taller but not as fat
- USB Rechargeable battery

Cons:
- Not as water resistant: IP67 (1 meter for 30 minutes), versus IP68 (beyond 1 meter continuous).
- Shorter battery life, 100 hours versus 125 hours, with a big YMMV.
- Can't replace the batteries. For long hikes with resupplies, shipping a couple of AA Lithium cells to yourself can be more convenient than waiting in town to charge your device, and lighter than carrying a solar charger.
- $50 more expensive

Also, all inReach are backordered or not shipping until late April.

The only device fully comparable to the inReach SE on the market now is the Yellowbrick 3. Comparing those two, inReach SE:

- Cheaper to buy,
- More expensive to operate, highly dependent on your particular usage pattern,
- Includes maps in the app
- Includes GEOS IERCC rescue coordination service
- 105 grams lighter
- Much shorter battery life: about 8 days versus 90 days, with a big YMMV.

For more details, see the full article: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/satellite_communications_sotmr_part3.html

I'm glad we have choices and competition in this market!

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Thoughts on DeLorme inReach SE on 04/18/2013 21:26:18 MDT Print View

I just found a piece about the inReach SE on http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/delorme.htm, which says that DeLorme will supply an optional AA battery pack that plugs into the back of the SE. If so, that pretty much fixes the battery life problem. It means you've got 80-100 hours on the built-in battery, and for long trips you can extend the service indefinitely with Li AA cells. Slightly more weight.

It sounds like pairing the SE with a 5th Gen iPod (3.1 oz, $300) would be worthwhile, if you want to use digital maps on one of the best displays now available, but that is not necessary to get productive use from the device.

Best price I've seen is $280, shipping included. I think I want one. Hope it's good.

By the way, Amazon dropped the price on the inReach for Smartyphones to $200.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE on 04/19/2013 11:07:45 MDT Print View

After Delorme announced the inReach SE, I decided that leaving my smart phone at home and communicating on a single device was the way I wanted to go. I quickly sold my inReach for smart phones and have pre-ordered an inReach SE. The current estimated shipping date is April 23rd (delayed from the original date of April 16th that was listed when I put in my order)

I originally thought the rechargeable battery would be a show stopper for me but carrying a portable AA charger is lighter than carrying my iPhone so I have rationalized the lack of changeable batteries.

The one feature that I believe is missing is the ability to display your GPS coordinates on the screen. I haven't seen this feature listed anywhere and it is something that is really needed and would allow me to leave my GPS behind. I'm hoping that sending myself a message will include my current GPS coordinates without having to use a smart phone to see the location data, but I'm skeptical.

Edited by skopeo on 04/19/2013 11:08:45 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach SE on 04/19/2013 13:07:50 MDT Print View

I just spoke to DeLorme support and they confirmed that the SE does not currently support GPS coordinate display, but it could with a firmware revision. And maybe it will when it ships, or maybe it won't. Time will tell. As to whether you can send yourself a message on the inReach, that was a stumper. They will get back to me. You can send messages to other inReaches for sure. It seems very awkward that in standalone mode, the only way you might be able to find out your coords is by texting a collaborator to reply with the location from the message you sent -- if you follow my drift.

I think that a bunch of calls and emails to their support will convince DeLorme of their market's strong interest in making the SE truly useful. Not including this feature seems foolish if not spiteful.

The SE is now expected to ship at the end of April.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Delorme SE release date... on 04/19/2013 13:35:33 MDT Print View

Thanks for the info.

Since my last post I received an update for Delome's Eartmate app. The update adds support for the inReach SE. Makes me wonder if the holdup has been just trying to get the new app through Apples App Store.

I'll definitely send them an email requesting coordinate display if it's not available.

I suspect Delorme had to work pretty hard "not" to display the location coordinates as technically, it would be very easy to do. My bet is that the marketing guys have asked the software engineers to suppress coordinate display so that the inReach doesn't compete with Delorme's line of GPS's.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Delorme SE release date... on 04/19/2013 13:44:35 MDT Print View

"My bet is that the marketing guys have asked the software engineers to suppress coordinate display so that the inReach doesn't compete with Delorme's line of GPS's."

If that were true then why would they allow pairing with SmartPhones and give them GPS functionality? DeLorme does not make SmartPhones.

I'm guessing they just have not thought the thing through. Or . . . they are mean people. More likely the former.

Manfred Kopisch
(Orienteering) - F
Coordinates displayed on InReach SE for tracking points on 04/19/2013 16:47:20 MDT Print View

This boating website http://www.panbo.com/archives/2013/04/inreach_se_will_the_screen_do_it.html discusses the InReach SE and shows a photo of a screen with GPS coordinates. When reading the article you will see that a saved tracking point is displayed. That means to me that I could "easily" display my current coordinates by turning on tracking (or turning it first off and then on again if it was already on) and reading the newly created tracking point.

Best Regards,

Manfred

Edit: HTML link didn't work, so I copied the URL into the text

Edited by Orienteering on 04/19/2013 16:48:21 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Coordinates displayed on InReach SE for tracking points on 04/19/2013 19:35:48 MDT Print View

That was a prototype SE that Ben at Panbo was using, so who knows just what firmware will ship with it? Let's hope DeLorme does the reasonable thing. It will certainly make the SE a lot easier to sell, if you don't have to do crazy workarounds to get basic information out of the device. I'd say that current coordinates are pretty basic for something with a GPS unit. Even your iPad or iPhone will give you that.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
SE Will Ship Mid-May, Or So They Say on 04/25/2013 13:36:11 MDT Print View

Shipping for the SE is now listed for mid-May on the DeLorme site. Anticipation builds. Will the users be able to see their coordinates without paying for a tracking point when in standalone mode? (When paired with another device, using Earthmate you get that for free.)

The best device for pairing, I think, should be the 5th Gen. iPod Touch, which weighs only 3.1 oz and has more and better pixels than anything short of a big heavy iPad. But, then again, GPS navigation is for wusses. A real hiker has a deep, mystical understanding of the landscape and needs no external aids. I aspire to be that real.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 05/09/2013 14:26:45 MDT Print View

OK, now this is getting annoying...

I pre-ordered an inReach SE in mid mid April and the "new" release date is now May 25th! That's the 3rd time they have changed the release date since I ordered the unit.

What's the issue? (I assume just early marketing hype before the product was actually finished) As a consumer, this just makes Delorme look bad in my eyes.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 05/09/2013 21:39:13 MDT Print View

You are experiencing the normal perils of pre-ordering, Mike. The prudent being waits. We will learn from your experience, though. Thanks.

UPDATE : I am not a prudent being, it seems. I, too, preordered (REI). I hope it ships before I die. If it doesn't, I'm definitely returning it.

Edited by JimSubzero on 05/11/2013 21:11:12 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Use of GPS on an iOS Device Paired with an inReach on 05/09/2013 21:51:31 MDT Print View

I was recently corresponding with the developer of Maps 3D, which is an iPhone app. He says that if the iOS device is paired to a GPS which makes GPS data available to an app, those data are available to all apps that might use them ("data" is plural!). This means that a user might not be limited to DeLorme's map app, for what that's worth.

UPDATE: I was browsing in the DeLorme inReach Forum and found that

". . . Android; it doesn't support sharing the inReach GPS with other apps."

So, other apps on iOS devices can use the inReach GPS data, but no deal for Android devices. Others report Gaia using the inReach GPS without problems on their iPhones.

UPDATE 2: On iOS with Location Services on, a GPS signal via Bluetooth (BT), inReach frinstance, trumps the GPS on the Apple device. It is turned off and consumes no power. This means the Apple device can have all its radios off (GPS, WiFi, 3G, 4G, LTE, &c.) except for BT and still function fully with a GPS map app. Keeping the SE and its paired iOS device close together will minimize the BT power use in each.

Edited by JimSubzero on 05/12/2013 08:06:46 MDT.

terry tiedeman
(Terry62) - F
inreach se on 05/09/2013 23:36:18 MDT Print View

I just bought one of these on rei's website. Because it is back ordered they give free shipping and if it breaks or sucks I can return it easy. I just wanted to give a heads up to anyone who might be buying one of these. Peace

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Mid-June on 05/13/2013 13:32:02 MDT Print View

I just received this from REI:

The DeLorme inReach SE 2-Way Satellite Communicator, item 857610, has an estimated arrival date to our warehouse of June 14, 2013. The item will be shipped as soon as it becomes available. Please keep in mind that this is an estimated time frame and is subject to change.

Dan S
(DJSTWO)

Locale: Southern California
how on 05/13/2013 13:47:45 MDT Print View

"This means the Apple device can have all its radios off (GPS, WiFi, 3G, 4G, LTE, &c.) except for BT and still function fully with a GPS map app. Keeping the SE and its paired iOS device close together will minimize the BT power use in each."
How can you functionally do this? Airplane mode will kill BT too right, and you can't turn off the cellular radios piecemeal in iOS. (There is a workaround on ATT phones by locking the SIM)

Edit:
I stand corrected, BT can be on with Airplane mode enabled, I just tried it, nice.

Edited by DJSTWO on 05/13/2013 13:52:49 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Mid-June on 05/13/2013 14:50:41 MDT Print View

Interesting. I spoke with DeLorme Support this morning and, among other things, asked about the expected shipping date. He (John) said that as far as he had heard it was still expected to ship in mid-May, which is where we now are and will remain for another week.

However, John also said that the new SEs will be shipped as available first to their best retail outlets and then to lesser ones. He included DeLorme itself among the lesser ones. You'd think REI would be among the great, but who knows? Only the inner circle at DeLorme.

REI has had nothing to say to me on this matter. Am I not as worthy as the Trek Guy?

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 05/13/2013 18:26:08 MDT Print View

>> UPDATE : I am not a prudent being, it seems. I, too, preordered (REI). I hope it ships before I die. If it doesn't, I'm definitely returning it. <<

Good one! You can't keep a good consumer down.

I pre-ordered mine from MEC (Canadian equivalent to REI). Other than the fact that they are likely way down on the priority list, you can't go wrong with their customer service and return policy. If it becomes available on another site, I'll order it and cancel my order with MEC (although I may just wait, as I like MEC's return policy).

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
REI on 05/14/2013 07:46:41 MDT Print View

James said: "REI has had nothing to say to me on this matter. Am I not as worthy as the Trek Guy?"

I preordered the device, and that's what they sent me when I inquired about my order. Not sure if you preordered or not. As always, depends if you get lucky talking to the right person... Good luck!

Fred Eoff
(fredeoff) - F - M

Locale: Northwest
InReach SE on 05/14/2013 13:40:47 MDT Print View

Good news! My InReach SE was delivered today:)

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Retailer? on 05/14/2013 13:46:15 MDT Print View

Fred, that's great. Where did you order yours from?

Fred Eoff
(fredeoff) - F - M

Locale: Northwest
Delorme Inreach SE on 05/15/2013 06:49:10 MDT Print View

I ordered mine from Bass Pro. Obviously no field experience yet but so far I am impressed. Registration of the unit was simple, GPS satellite lockon was fast and the icons on the screen are clear, intuitive and easy to navigate through the various menus. This will be much easier than my original InReach paired to my cellphone.

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Maps? on 05/15/2013 14:27:44 MDT Print View

Glad it's looking good so far. One question: can you see maps on its screen? I don't believe so, as a phone would be required for that, but just checking to make sure...

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE on 05/15/2013 16:47:44 MDT Print View

You need the smart phone to see the maps.

The burning question is "can you get your current position coordinates to display without a smart phone" (onscreen, or via a text message that you send to yourself... any way at all would be good... just don't make me bring my smart phone or a GPS!)?

Edited by skopeo on 05/16/2013 00:23:07 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
REI's SE Shipments, New Extreme Sport Proposed on 05/16/2013 20:52:41 MDT Print View

REI expects to receive 30 SEs on the 24th, 15 on the 25th, and another 15 on the 31st. All outstanding orders should be filled by June 5. Customer Service could even tell me where on the queue my order is (46th, if you care). I am impressed and like REI yet more.

Just came back from an outing today where having the SE might have been useful for a corpse recovery. Fortunately, happy end, but I have an idea for a new extreme sport -- white water fording on foot. The attraction is that it isn't fun at all. The readership here will be pleased to know that I used light weight gear only: two shoes, 18 oz.; two staves, 10 oz.; the rest was freight.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE $240 at REI on 05/17/2013 13:36:41 MDT Print View

$239.99 for the DeLorme inReach SE at REI during their May 17-27 sale, discounted from $299.95 retail price. Of course, you don't get the usual 10% REI rebate at the sale price, and you can't use the 20% off coupon, but this is still a pretty good deal. Backordered of course. That's the best price I could find with a few minutes of googling.

Not finding reviews of the DeLorme inReach SE yet. If you have one, tell us more!

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 05/17/2013 13:38:12 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach SE $240 at REI on 05/17/2013 14:52:12 MDT Print View

Thanks for the alert, Rex.

I called REI Customer Service and she, the Customer Service Being, changed the price I'll be charged, when the SE ships, to the sale price and preserved my place in the backorder line. If I had to cancel my current order and reorder it, shipment would be delayed two weeks. They are flying off the shelf before even getting on the shelf.

Robert Aruldoss
(roberta) - MLife
DeLorme InReach SE on 05/17/2013 17:28:26 MDT Print View

Here's the email response I received yesterday from Delorme on a couple questions:

1. The inReach SE device will not display its current coordinates on the screen of the device at this time. This has been submitted to development as a feature request for potential future implementation.

The inReach SE has an onboard GPS chip and will include coordinates from that message in every outbound message it sends. There is no need to manual type coordinates into a message you send to another individual.


2. The inReach SE can store a nigh unlimited number of pre-written messages that can be referenced and used instead of manually typing out the entire message while in the field.


-I ordered mine from REI right before their sale:(


Regards,

Robert

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
DeLorme inReach SE at REI gone on 05/17/2013 22:56:02 MDT Print View

Too late - REI says: "This item is currently sold out or unavailable online".

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 05/17/2013 22:56:33 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: DeLorme InReach SE on 05/18/2013 12:06:35 MDT Print View

Robert quoted DeLorme: "The inReach SE can store a nigh unlimited number of pre-written messages that can be referenced and used instead of manually typing out the entire message while in the field."

This provides a method for the prolix to get past the one hundred sixty character limit on each text message. It requires some forethought. Make a readable file on the web somewhere, Google Docs perhaps, with every message you might ever send (however long), each one numbered. Then create the same number of pre-written messages for the inReach SE which include the link to the Google Doc file and the index number to the particular message. You'll want to have a copy of that message file in the field with you, unless your memory is very good. If the SE allows editing of a pre-written message, you can instantiate variables in the Google Doc message (e.g., person1, place3, body-part2, emotion1, &c.) using a short table. Easy!

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE shipping May 31st, and other news on 05/21/2013 23:44:20 MDT Print View

DeLorme's inReach SE web page says: "Shipping is expected to begin May 31st." I guess Fred's delivery a week ago doesn't count!

You can backorder the DeLorme inReach SE at REI again, at retail price, same as many other web sites.

The Earthmate iPhone app was updated for the inReach SE on April 19, and the Earthmate Android app was updated for the inReach SE on May 10.

And we continue waiting for Godot...

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 05/21/2013 23:47:19 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach SE shipping May 31st, and other news on 05/22/2013 07:19:24 MDT Print View

"DeLorme's inReach SE web page says: 'Shipping is expected to begin May 31st.' I guess Fred's delivery a week ago doesn't count!"

I can explain this. DeLorme Customer Service said that DeLorme would be shipping to its major retailers before it begins shipping to its own retail customers. How very gracious of them!

Fred Eoff
(fredeoff) - F - M

Locale: Northwest
DeLorme InReach Shipping on 05/22/2013 14:55:07 MDT Print View

They obviously know I am an all-around good guy and granted me special super deluxe treatment:)

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
More inReach SE shipping news on 05/26/2013 21:48:12 MDT Print View

According to DeLorme:

"Now accepting new orders for a mid-to-late June delivery."

"If you have already placed a pre-order for an inReach SE

Shipping at full volume begins the week of June 3rd. The earliest pre-orders have the highest priority and will be fulfilled within the first two weeks of the month."

Presumably this applies only to orders direct from DeLorme. Other dealers have started shipping, or will soon, on different schedules.

-- Rex

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE firmware update released on 05/27/2013 22:21:34 MDT Print View

DeLorme released inReach SE 2.0 Update 1 Firmware around May 21, 2013, with several new features and many fixes.

Important fixes include:

- Improved performance of GPS chipset
- inReach SE will no longer reboot when sitting at the edge of Bluetooth connectivity
- "Do you want to discard changes" message now shows up only at the correct times

DeLorme's support web site provides the firmware update, instructions, and Windows/Mac browser plugins required for the update.

-- Rex

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE firmware update... on 05/28/2013 00:09:54 MDT Print View

Sort of telling isn't it... the product hasn't even been widely released and they are doing firmware upgrades. I suspect it's been rushed out the door before testing has been completed.

I did notice that there is still a message on my inReach account page (I owned the old unit and kept my account active while waiting for my pre-order), that says the contact Sync is still not working for the inReach SE. You would think they would be rushing that update out quickly before the units are widely available. With the Sync not working they will get a lot of complaints from users. They explain how to manually update your contacts on the inReach SE.

Maybe guys like Fred, that have received their inReach SE's early, will have all the bugs reported well before the rest of us get the new unit. :) Keep testing Fred, and report all the bugs!

Edited by skopeo on 05/28/2013 00:13:05 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE videos, and message length limits on 06/02/2013 22:33:00 MDT Print View

gpscity.com just released five videos showing DeLorme inReach SE functions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c898Z9r5WAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITS_HFN4VL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-1wtjzjrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My0im4YropY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poTaCfBH20A

Also, you get about 99 characters guaranteed delivery in an SMS text message to certain cell phones, since each message starts with about 61 characters of your name and a link to your current location. Some phones truncate at 160 characters; some send two messages with the full message. The inReach SE screen indicates you have up to 160 characters, which is not always true. The entire message will show in the linked web page, but some cell phones don't have Internet access!

See this thread on the DeLorme forums for details.

-- Rex

Everybody's different, and everybody changes.

Edited by Rex on 06/02/2013 22:42:55 MDT.

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Carabiner clip? on 06/04/2013 09:48:31 MDT Print View

I've been unable to decipher if there is a loop/hole on the inReach SE suitable for hooking it to a backpack using a carabiner. This would be useful/required if tracking is enabled. Can anyone who owns one confirm this? Thank you.

Rob E
(eatSleepFish)

Locale: Canada
Re: DeLorme inReach SE firmware update... on 06/04/2013 10:29:54 MDT Print View

Any word on a firmware update that will allow one to view the current GPS coordinates in the field?

My suspicion is that they don't want to chew into sales of their inReach model that pairs with their GPS unit.

Was on a trip recently where we had a GPS geotagging digital camera, a SPOT messenger 2, and a handheld GPS. 3 GPS chips and antennas, but only one device would display coordinates to you in the field.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Carabiner clip? on 06/04/2013 22:54:16 MDT Print View

I don't have one, but the inReach SE should come with a lanyard and a belt clip, according to the owners manual.

You can see part of the lanyard, installed, in the Panbo prototype review photos:
http://www.panbo.com/archives/2013/04/inreach_se_will_the_screen_do_it.html

You can see the holes for the lanyard just above the USB port, with the belt clip on the back, in this GPS City video, starting about 1:15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c898Z9r5WAc

And you can see the inReach SE attached to packs with the belt clip in DeLorme's long commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQukvj_diI

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 06/04/2013 23:33:28 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: DeLorme inReach SE firmware update... on 06/05/2013 00:08:19 MDT Print View

"My suspicion is that they don't want to chew into sales of their inReach model that pairs with their GPS unit."

Looks like the inReach PN-60w is going away. It's buried on the inReach web site, and it's been out of stock for a few months now.

Besides, you can get most GPS functions by pairing the inReach SE or inReach Smartphone with a smart phone and DeLorme's Earthmate app.

The prototype reviewed by Panbo could display track point GPS coordinates under History, maybe that's still available, the manual isn't clear.

-- Rex

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
DeLorme inReach two months free for new activations on 06/08/2013 22:59:58 MDT Print View

"When you activate your new inReach any time during June and July, you'll get your first two months free of your annual satellite subscription plan."

Details here:

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/summer/

-- Rex

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Would you recommend this yet? on 06/10/2013 09:10:00 MDT Print View

Since my backpacking is getting further and further afield (thanks to sooo much load lightening!!), and my adventures are getting more and more adventurous, I'm starting to consider one of these, especially if I do the PCT next year.

Is this a device anyone would recommend yet? I'd like to get one for the JMT (to make my mom happy), and this seems to check all the boxes I want to check.

I'm in no hurry, of course...I certainly CAN wait for better technology, but goodness if we always keep waiting for better technology......

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Or Spot Gen3 on 06/10/2013 09:20:45 MDT Print View

Also another similar contender is the Spot Gen3 which is only 3.2 oz (compared to the 6.7 oz. inReach SE). It depends on what your requirements are. If you only need tracking for people back home, plus an OK message and SOS capability, the Spot may suffice. inReach SE adds two-way communication and mapping when paired to a smartphone, which may be useful, but double the weight.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
Re: Or Spot Gen3 on 06/10/2013 09:52:55 MDT Print View

Iridium...thumbs-up
Globalstar...thumbs-down

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Would you recommend this yet? on 06/10/2013 10:05:33 MDT Print View

My long-standing rule with high-tech equipment is "don't depend on promises." I have not seen any hands-on reviews of the DeLorme inReach SE, and deliveries seem to trickling out. Based on specs only, the inReach SE might be the best device of it's type. Other types include SPOT devices, satellite phones, and other two-way satellite texting devices.

If you are not in a hurry to buy something, wait a while to see some reviews. Or buy from a dealer with good return policies.

-- Rex

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE... on 06/10/2013 18:11:41 MDT Print View

IF you are carrying a smart phone anyway, you could get the original Inreach for cheaper and it works very well and you don't have to wait to buy one. Waiting for the new device to be released has been a real pain, I was out on a trip on the weekend and we wanted to contact somebody back home (to change our itinerary) but we were off the grid and we had no satellite communication device to use... I guess I shouldn't have sold my original inReach until I received the new one (but thought it would be easier to sell "before" the new gadgets was widely released).

I've owned both the Spot Connect (one way messenger) and the inReach (original) that needed a smart phone. I'm on the wait list for the inReach SE but my supplier is saying it will be the end of June before I get one. My inReach worked way better than the Spot Connect IME and was worth the extra cost that you pay for the inReach plans.

I would have kept the original inReach if I always took a smart phone with me but since the only reason I took the smart phone was to use the inReach, the new inReach SE makes more sense for me to own (I don't want my phone with me). I did like replaceable batteries though, so the old inReach wins in that department.

The Spot Connect just didn't work well enough for me, so no point in carrying that device (others seem to think it's OK).

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
"Shipping at full volume has begun." on 06/11/2013 22:32:01 MDT Print View

So says DeLorme:

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/inreachse.php

I asked REI how's it going today. They said they have yet to receive their first SE, but expect bushels of them any day now.

How long can we keep our interest up? The whole SE thing may be just a tease.

And, why no reviews yet? (The one customer review on Amazon hardly counts. We need reviews from competent users.) Fred, how about it?

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: "Shipping at full volume has begun." on 06/13/2013 09:26:48 MDT Print View

Maybe the dam has broken. REI shipped my SE last night. I am eager to test it and will report the results to BPL "real soon now".

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Micro Review from Biker on 06/14/2013 12:03:17 MDT Print View

This guy at

http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21624908&postcount=15

obtained an SE, got it up and running without apparent trouble, and likes its tracking while motorcycling in heavily wooded areas. He found BT pairing to iOS devices easy, and he likes the topo map application. Sadly, he is silent on sending and receiving messages. And the big question of whether the current coords are shown on the SE's display remains unanswered. We care about this for using the SE alone with paper maps. When paired with a BT display device no big deal, since the current coords will be displayed there.

After the guy who got totally wedged for a weekend just registering the device (in the single Amazon review), this is encouraging.

I promise to do better. (delivery tomorrow!)

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Another review... on 06/14/2013 14:24:45 MDT Print View

Nice to hear some positive feedback. To-date, the only other user review of the inReach SE is here: (half way down the page)

Not such a glowing report.

I look forward to seeing your review!

Edited by skopeo on 06/14/2013 14:26:07 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
"OOB experience is terrible" on 06/14/2013 17:24:53 MDT Print View

Another review posted on Amazon today:
http://www.amazon.com/DeLorme-AG-009871-201-inReach-Satellite-Communicator/product-reviews/B00BX7TJ2O/

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
inReach SE Review on 06/15/2013 17:20:31 MDT Print View

I just posted the first installment of my SE review

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/display_reviews.html?bo=watch&forum_thread_id=78521

I wasn't sure whether to put it in the safety equipment or GPS category. Went with GPS. Sue me.

CORRECTION: it's in survival gear. Don't sue me.

The review is meant to be ongoing as I get further and further into the use of the SE. So far, so good. I rated it as a four since I've had no significant problems, but I don't know it well enough to give it a better rating. Cold weather performance can't be evaluated for a while -- not in these latitudes, anyway.

Edited by JimSubzero on 06/16/2013 08:16:44 MDT.

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Charge indicator on 06/16/2013 09:06:49 MDT Print View

First look at this... The USB port on the side connects to the included cable very loosely. Would normally make me nervous that it is perhaps not getting quality charge time. However, check out this charging screen they have built. Very handy!

inReach SE charging

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: inReach SE Review on 06/16/2013 11:00:25 MDT Print View

Jim,

Thanks for posting your ongoing review.

Early reviewers describe serious problems with firmware updates and/or customer service. Do you have any experience with that?

-- Rex

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE... on 06/16/2013 11:40:25 MDT Print View

Jim, thanks for your review and the ongoing updates on your findings. Much appreciated by those of us that are still waiting to receive our devices.

Can you let us know if the "current position" coordinates (on the track point) can be displayed in UTM or is it only displayed in geographic coordinates. (Is this user configurable?)

Regarding the contact points under the belt clip... My understanding is that these are not only for a battery pack but mainly for dash mount applications such as boating and aviation. It 's important to remember that there is a huge industry outside of the backpacking community that is driving the design of this unit.

Regarding the service plans, I found that Delorme's "suspend" feature made my plan costs a bit cheaper. Over the winter months, I suspended my service which makes the device unusable, but it maintains my online account and only costs $4 per month.

Please keep the review updates coming!

Edited by skopeo on 06/16/2013 11:42:47 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Another one star review ... on 06/16/2013 11:44:29 MDT Print View

... mostly about poor customer service again, from a BassPro customer:
http://www.basspro.com/DeLorme-inReach-SE-Satellite-Communicator/product/1303070849/

Edited by Rex on 06/16/2013 11:59:38 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: DeLorme inReach SE... on 06/16/2013 15:12:33 MDT Print View

"Can you let us know if the "current position" coordinates (on the track point) can be displayed in UTM or is it only displayed in geographic coordinates. (Is this user configurable?)"

The choices for SE track point coord display are a number of variations on Lat/Long degrees plus USNG/MGRS. So far as I know, UTM and USNG/MGRS are pretty similar outside of the high latitudes. I have no experience with USNG/MGRS. The conversion may be trivial, or not.

UPDATE:

I just checked the UTM coords for a known location with the USNG/MGRS coords reported by the SE. The last five digits of both the easting and the northing are the same. The major rectangle (or whatever they call it) is the same in both. There are some differences in between, having to do with whether digits or alphabetic characters are used and their order. If you know your location within 100 km, it seems that you can safely use USNG/MGRS coords like UTM by just ignoring all but the last ten digits. The first five are the easting, and the second five are the northing (in meters, natch).

Thanks for telling about being able to suspend an inReach subscription for a nominal fee. This could make the subscription requirement less painful.

Edited by JimSubzero on 06/17/2013 20:25:25 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: inReach SE Review on 06/16/2013 15:24:17 MDT Print View

"Early reviewers describe serious problems with firmware updates and/or customer service. Do you have any experience with that?"

No firmware update was required for my SE. I have not needed to consult customer service. Wheeee!

When DeLorme gets the synch fixed and I haven't found any fatal flaws, the SE is on track for an upgrade to a five rating. But for synchronization of contacts and prewritten messages, the SE has just been working. It sounds like some of the earliest units shipped had problems. Has this ever happened before?

terry tiedeman
(Terry62) - F
delorme inreach se on 06/20/2013 11:47:32 MDT Print View

I just thought to say I am super happy so far with my SE. I have set it up at home and tested it and talked multiple times with tech support to get some questions answered and I have had a very positive experience. The sync should be up by the end of this week, so I was told, and the earthmate app is super easy to understand and use so far. I have downloaded the maps for an upcoming trip and checked them out and I am pleased. I like that I can send a general message to the map share page if I want to and all of the settings and prompts are pretty basic and easy to understand. I usually use google chrome but I had to use mozilla firefox to set up my account because I couldn't do it in chrome for some reason but now that I have a login and password I can access my account and explore page through chrome. I have had some friends who worked tech support and I have heard what a terrible job it is having people take out their frustration or anger on you all day long so I always try to be very kind and friendly over the phone and I have found them very clear in their answers and exceptionally easy to deal with. The 2 free months of service for registering in June is great as well. I did have to update the firmware when I first got the unit from REI in the mail last week but the update was easy and fairly quick. No Problems. I will be back from a 5 or 6 week backpacking trip sometime in august and I will post my experiences with this unit in the field upon my return.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach SE Review on 06/21/2013 22:36:37 MDT Print View

The nth increment of my inReach SE review was just posted. This most recent post discusses using the SE paired with a 5th gen iPod Touch. The previous post discusses using the SE standalone. I also propose a reasonable answer, I hope, to the problem of builtin batteries on longer trips.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/display_reviews.html?forum_thread_id=78521&skip_to_post=669507#669507

Fred Eoff
(fredeoff) - F - M

Locale: Northwest
InReach SE on 06/22/2013 07:52:53 MDT Print View

My apologies for being slow to add a review since it seems I was fortunate enough to get one of the first SE units. And this one will be short as I am pressed for time this morning.

I had no problems at all with initial registration and setup of the SE. Transition from my old account to new account was not so bad. I will say if you have an original Inreach the vastly preferable approach would be not to terminate service to the old unit prior to adding the new SE. The account transition would be much easier that way. I did not do that as I had sold the older unit and the new buyer was anxious to get it for a trip. But the DeLorme support group handled the transition for me very nicely.

I have only been out on one trip so far, 3 days and 2 nights into the Glacier Peak Wilderness area here in WA. In reviewing the map log after the trip, tracking was quite accurate. I did notice one tracking mark which was transmitted after stopping for the second night and before I shut down tracking which showed a drift maybe 100 yds from our actual location for some reason. But that was the only oddity as everything else was pretty much right on. Since I was interested in getting a feel for performance, I sent a few more than normal text messages from the unit with 100% success both send and reply.

All text messages were from the SE in standalone mode as my primary purpose in acquiring it was to eliminate the necessity of carrying my Android and pairing it for messages. In that regard this has been a complete success. The only nuisance so far is that I have not been able to get the send/receive aural tones to work. Could be user error in setting that up but I will work on that when time permits.

All in all....I am really pleased with the SE.

Edited by fredeoff on 06/22/2013 07:56:56 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE accessories; more activation problems on 06/23/2013 23:28:12 MDT Print View

DeLorme is promising custom mounts and cases for the inReach SE for delivery in July:
http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/accessories.php
like this neoprene flotation case:
inReach SE flotation case

Some negative reviews on Amazon concerning activation problems; others have had no problem with activation.

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 06/23/2013 23:30:26 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE first impressions on 06/25/2013 00:17:55 MDT Print View

Bottom line: After some activation snafus, so far, so good.

Ordered from REI on May 18, delivered today June 24. Last update from REI said device would ship after July 6, maybe DeLorme is shipping faster now.

Web site was pretty easy to navigate. 31 pages of Terms and Conditions is ridiculous!

Instruction booklet impossible to follow literally, wants you to get IMEI and activation code *before* turning on the device, not possible. I get grumpy when the documentation obviously wasn't tested before publication.

Could not activate device in my backyard, in a forested canyon with about 20% sky visible, despite multiple tries. Drove to a parking lot, activated in just under 5 minutes. I hope that tracking and messaging works OK in a forest, I do a lot of hiking in redwood forests.

Using virtual keyboard to enter phone numbers, addresses, and messages, gets old fast. Looking forward to setting up more contacts on the device, using pre-set messages, and learning virtual keyboard shortcuts.

Outbound messages went through to my cell phone in less than 30 seconds. Inbound messages from my cell phone took a few minutes.

Never got the "Welcome" test message from DeLorme, despite receiving a few messages from myself while in the parking lot.

Location on one message was within a few feet, judging from the satellite view. Linked map sucks on an iPhone, the map is a tiny corner of the screen, must enlarge and poke very carefully to change the view.

Device defaults to Eastern time, which was confusing at first. Had to go into Settings to set Pacific time. Out-of-box setup should have walked you through that.

Device seems smaller and lighter than I imagined. 196 grams on my scale, 190 grams according to DeLorme, but maybe they don't include the belt clip. Cannot figure out how to remove the belt clip, which came pre-installed. I presume the IP67 rating is with the cover on the micro USB port, which is kind of fiddly and hard to put back on straight.

As others have noted, DeLorme web site says Syncing contacts and canned messages isn't working yet, coming soon.

My device shipped with 2.0.2596018 firmware, which seems to have the updated features described here. Since others report problems with firmware updates, I'll leave well enough alone for now.

Edited by Rex on 06/25/2013 00:20:02 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach SE first impressions on 06/25/2013 00:32:08 MDT Print View

"Could not activate device in my backyard, in a forested canyon with about 20% sky visible, despite multiple tries."

Is there any way to predict how much sky view is necessary to expect a reliable connection? Also, if the sky view is broken up into little pieces, you get the so-called picket fence problem, and you may never get a reliable connection. The satellite is visible for only long enough to get part of the message done, and then it is blocked.

Assuming that you had a completely clear view of the sky, about how long do you think each satellite is overhead from horizon to horizon?

--B.G.--

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Belt clip removal on 06/25/2013 05:39:42 MDT Print View

Rex, to remove the belt clip just a) pinch the tabs together, and b) slide the clip up and out -- note this is very very tight so I had to tap the clip on the edge of a table for it to break loose.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Belt Clip Removal and Picket Fence Problem with LEO Sats on 06/25/2013 07:36:44 MDT Print View

Thanks, Trek Guy. I wrestled with the belt clip unsuccessfully until I tried your method. Without the clip the SE weighs the stated 190 g.

Actually, I use the belt clip but didn't like the idea of not being able to remove it. I clip the SE to the haul loop on top of the pack, where it gets a good view of the sky and is out of the way.

Regarding Bob's concern for the "picket fence" problem, the time to send or receive a text message is extremely short, and a text message transmission does not require a signal of as high quality as voice does. These are the great strengths of short text over voice. Furthermore, text communications are opportunistic, not real time. I have not had any problem with messages or track points getting through forested areas in the southern Rockies. Redwood forests and narrow canyons may be more challenging.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Belt Clip Removal and Picket Fence Problem with LEO Sats on 06/25/2013 08:16:20 MDT Print View

I used a belt clip on my GPS but it popped off a couple times so I quit using it.

Maybe there are better belt clips.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: inReach SE first impressions on 06/25/2013 08:44:16 MDT Print View

With an unobstructed horizon, most LEO satellites like Iridium are visible 9 minutes on average. My backyard sky view is one patch of about 20% open sky. I attempted activation there for a total of about 40 minutes, with two restarts. Gave up after 15 minutes of "waiting for GPS fix" the first time. The next two times eventually got "Activation started, waiting for confirmation", and stalled before I gave up. On-screen status messages were mildly entertaining. After 5 minutes, something like "activation is taking extraordinarily long"; after 10 minutes, something like "activation is taking extraordinarily long, are you sure you are activated on explore.delorme.com?" I had no similar problems activating and using the Briartek Cerberlink in my backyard; maybe the satellites were in better positions.

In the parking lot, got to "Activation started..." quickly, took a couple minutes to complete after that. Maybe a big download in 160 byte packets? Red status LED was blinking in parking lot, never saw that in the backyard.

Startup problems can really affect user satisfaction; the inReach SE Amazon rating might rise from 2.5 stars to 4 stars without those problems.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Be Careful What You Wish for on 06/25/2013 09:31:12 MDT Print View

Trek Guy told how to remove the very tight belt clip. So I did. Now it comes off easily, too easily, as Jerry described.

I put a split ring on the lanyard attachment and now use a tiny carabiner to attach it to the pack. I'm happy again.

UPDATE

I decided I liked using the belt clip better, so fixed it. I took it off and wedged the prongs further outward and then put a drop of hot glue into the base of the enlarged slots then let the glue cool and harden. Now the belt clip stays attached until I use Trek Guy's edge of table trick.

Edited by JimSubzero on 06/29/2013 20:38:47 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Messages, Quick Text Messages, & Preset Messages on 06/25/2013 16:08:59 MDT Print View

After a lot of messing around with messages, I will try to clarify the different kinds of messages. SOS messages are a separate category with which I have no experience and want to keep it that way. I hope SOS messages don't take a lot of practice to get them to work.

Plain ol' messages are sent to any recipients with arbitrary text which you compose on the spot. You can send them from the SE standalone or from Earthmate on a paired device. They are charged against your plan.

Quick Text messages are pre-composed on the inReach or a paired device, can be edited on the spot, and are sent to any recipients. You can have any number of these. You can send them from the SE standalone or from Earthmate on a paired device. They are charged against your plan.

Preset messages must be composed on the Share website and they each include a list of one or more recipients. You get exactly three of these. Neither their text nor their recipients are available to you on the inReach nor via Earthmate. In fact, you cannot even send them via Earthmate on a paired device. They can only be sent from the SE directly where they are known only as Preset message 1, 2, and 3. Try to remember what they say and who they go to! You could cheat and carry a slip of paper with reminders, or you could keep an electronic copy on your paired device, if you have one with you. There are two ways to send the Preset messages from the SE. You can hold the X key on the SE for several seconds to see a screen with the choice of the three messages, or you can click the Preset icon on the home screen. These three messages are free and unlimited on all plans but the safety plan. In the safety plan there is no advantage in using preset messages other than convenience.

There is a fourth type of message, which instead of the user's current location includes a different location, a reference point. It also includes arbitrary user text.

Edited by JimSubzero on 06/26/2013 08:34:16 MDT.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE is available... on 06/26/2013 00:55:28 MDT Print View

I see that GPScity.com is listing the inReach SE as "available" (not back order), so it does seem like Delorme has finally caught up and gotten some units onto the shelves!

EDIT: It's also available on MEC's website as well (for those of you in Canada that might be looking for one)

Edited by skopeo on 06/26/2013 16:38:57 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Auxiliary Power for the SE (and paired device) on 06/29/2013 21:11:22 MDT Print View

I've added yet another update to the SE review, this time about a lightweight external recharger that works for the SE and with a one gram adapter works for the iPod. If you are not using a paired device or are pairing an android device, leave that big heavy adapter behind.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/display_reviews?forum_thread_id=78521&cat=First%20Aid%20and%20Survival%20Gear%20%26%20Accessories&cid=58

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Auxiliary Power for the SE (and paired device) on 06/30/2013 00:06:25 MDT Print View

Just for comparison:

Goal Zero Switch 8 Recharger with internal Lithium-ion batteries
90 grams (".09 Kg" from specs)
2200 milliamp hours ("2.2 Ah" from specs)
$40 retail

Energizer PP-3AAMC charger with three Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA batteries
90 grams (Jim's weight)
8500 milliamp hours (approximate, eyeballing Energizer charts, times 3)
$30 retail – $20 retail for charger, about $10 retail for the batteries

The Energizer is the same weight, almost 4 times more energy, replaceable batteries, not rechargeable, and more expensive after the first two sets of batteries.

Interesting tradeoffs.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Auxiliary Power for the SE (and paired device) on 06/30/2013 06:52:06 MDT Print View

Rex,

I expect that the three AAs in the Energizer charger are in series, at least in effect, to get the voltage required, so multiplying the current by three is likely wrong. The charger comes with a set of Li AAs, so no extra charge for the first set, which implies the charger itself costs about $10. Another point of comparison is whether you can replace cells. When any Li-ion charger is discharged, it is dead weight until it's recharged, just like the SE. When a AA powered charger is discharged, you can replace its cells. For the Energizer, the cells weigh 45 g or 1.5 oz.. For an extended time in the wilderness, it seems to me that the cost of a set or two of Li AAs is static in the budget.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Iridium Short Burst Data, Time Needed to Complete Transfer on 07/04/2013 00:03:17 MDT Print View

From the Wikipedia Iridium article, the time needed to up or download an SBD packet ranges from six to twenty-two seconds.

The inReach's text messages are Iridium SBD packets. That's how long you have to have a line of sight connection with an Iridium satellite.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Iridium Short Burst Data, Time Needed to Complete Transfer on 07/04/2013 01:00:40 MDT Print View

It would be interesting to know how long each Iridium satellite is overhead a user on the ground. A few minutes maybe?

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Iridium Short Burst Data, Time Needed to Complete Transfer on 07/04/2013 14:16:55 MDT Print View

Rough calculation suggests an Iridium satellite which crosses the zenith would take about eleven minutes or so, horizon to horizon. A satellite while crossing the viewer's zenith would appear to sweep about 12º in 22 seconds. These are back-of-envelope estimates.

They orbit at an altitude of 483 miles, and their orbital period is about 100 minutes.

http://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=15

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
inReach SE sync'g? on 07/11/2013 17:55:15 MDT Print View

Is sync'g avail yet?....."Using virtual keyboard to enter phone numbers, addresses, and messages, gets old fast."

Trek Guy
(trek_guy) - M
Sync'ing on 07/11/2013 23:39:35 MDT Print View

No, unfortunately not yet...

bayden cline
(pyro_) - F
Canada on 07/14/2013 15:42:15 MDT Print View

FYI for anyone in Canada who is looking for one of the MEC is starting to get them in. Just picked up one from them today at the store in Toronto. They have two others there. Also heard that they have about 300 units currently being shipped to their warehouse

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Battery life? on 07/14/2013 17:37:16 MDT Print View

Seems like my brother is getting me one of these for my JMT trip. So...any idea on battery life yet? It says ~100 hours on one set of batteries if I send crumbs every 10 mins.

I'm really, really bad at math.

How many batteries should I take for a 3-week trip? And would that be average usage? I've never had one of these before...my thought is that I'd send an ok message every few days, leave a nice trail for my family so they don't worry.....

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Battery life? on 07/14/2013 17:59:15 MDT Print View

Don't worry about battery life, numbers just make our heads swim. By a Suntatics sCharger.

I apologize, I couldn't resist.

If you turn on the 10 minute thing, it will last about 4 days. If you turned it off at night for 12 hours, probably around 8 days. It might last 3 weeks if you turned the device on for 4 hours per day.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Battery life? on 07/14/2013 18:08:26 MDT Print View

Wouldn't it be sufficient to turn it on only a couple of times per day? I mean, that would save a lot of battery power.

Wouldn't it be nice if it was programmable to turn itself on during the day and off at night? Some users would be forgetful about turning it on and off so much.

--B.G.--

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: Battery life? on 07/14/2013 18:21:58 MDT Print View

Jennifer,
You could change your tracking interval to 30 or 60 minutes -

Tracking

That would be enough to keep you located while on the trail. Add an OK at your evening camp, followed by an AM departure OK and you would be covered. And turn it off at night.

Edited by greg23 on 07/14/2013 18:59:00 MDT.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE on 07/14/2013 19:57:50 MDT Print View

>> It says ~100 hours on one set of batteries <<

Unfortunately, the batteries are built in so you have to charge them (you can't replace them). It charges via USB so a small battery pack that uses disposable batteries would work well if you carried light weight lithium batteries to power your battery pack.

On the other hand, if you are not too concerned with leaving a bread crumb trail of your trip (for safety reasons), then you can just send an occasional message and that will extend the battery life considerably. The track points and messages are really the same thing (just a way-point), so unless you feel the need to spam your location to your family and friends (or as mentioned, want to use it as a safety feature), you are better off just sending an occasional text/email to save on battery drain. Keeping Bluetooth turned off and the screen back-light off also saves on the battery drain.

That said, I find it almost impossible to read the display without the back-light on. I have about 12 hours of tracking on mine (at a 10 minute track interval) and have sent a hand full of messages, and have used Bluetooth for one hike (few hours) and have left the display turned up fairly bright. The unit is at 80%, so I definitely won't get 100 hours out of the charge with this type of usage.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: Battery life? on 07/14/2013 20:02:07 MDT Print View

Bob that's what I was thinking. Not sure how the crumb thing works in that situation; I suppose a few blips a day is probably pretty good, especially on a trail like the JMT.

Mark Verber
(verber) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: DeLorme Battery life? on 07/14/2013 20:20:10 MDT Print View

I picked up a InReach SE to give the family piece of mind.

As others have commented, with tracking turned on (for me it was every 10 minutes) the unit was down to 75% after a day. Leaving the unit on to receive messages but with tracking turned off seemed to drain the batteries around 1/2 as quickly. After half a day of use in this mode I was down to 70% power. Leaving off and turning on at a couple of intervals during the day would preserve the batteries more I am sure.

BTW: I had no problem activating the unit. Did it in the front yard which has some trees but mostly clear view of the sky. I will note that for people who are using to instant delivery of short messages, that there is an adjustment. The unit is somewhat opportunistic in when it sends and checks for messages. So if you are trying to do a two-way interaction expect 10-20 minutes between cycles rather than the few seconds in say a cell phone based SMS system.

Kudos to the "I am recharging" display on the InReach. Shows a bar chart of how much pwer, a % of how much power, and an estimate in minutes of how long until recharging would be completed.

As to recharging in the field. There are plenty of Li-Ion USB charge packs on the market and a number of USB chargers that take 2-4 AA batteries. I have worked on a couple of projects (but didn't backpack with) the GoalZero Nomad 7 + their 4 AA battery charger / USB power pack. This system worked well so long as the batteries didn't overheat while charging (e.g. keep the battery charger tucked someone that doesn't bake in the sun. I have also had a good experience with the Waka Waka Power+.

--Mark

Edited by verber on 07/14/2013 20:23:01 MDT.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE... on 07/14/2013 21:32:34 MDT Print View

>> So if you are trying to do a two-way interaction expect 10-20 minutes between cycles... <<

I'm not sure if I understand what you are referring to here but you can set the "check" interval to as little as every 5 minutes (under setup) and the "check" icon will check for messages whenever you want to force a delivery.

The downside is that if you check frequently, you are draining the battery.

Delorme is also going to offer a battery pack attachment that fits on the back of the inReach SE and takes disposable batteries. If it's not too heavy, it would be a nice accessory, since it will be made to fit the device (no cables).

Edited by skopeo on 07/14/2013 21:33:24 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Battery life? on 07/15/2013 09:05:23 MDT Print View

Took my InReach SE on a two-week road trip with occasional day hikes. Left it turned on all the time with 10 minute tracking, didn't send or receive any messages. The InReach was in a pack pocket under my fiberglass truck shell most of the time. Basically, I turned on tracking and forgot about it except for occasional status checks.

Battery charge lasted about 4-5 days.

Other notes:

- When the InReach SE detects no movement for a while, it automatically stops sending tracking points until you start moving again. I don't see any settings to affect this behavior.

- Somehow I found it too easy to accidentally turn OFF tracking repeatedly. Not sure how I did that, since you need to confirm by moving to a non-default selection.

- Charges OK from my truck's "accessory port" (aka cigarette lighter port), using a USB charger designed for iPhones, plus the InReach cable. Hooray for standardizing on USB charging!

- Tracked pretty well on day hikes under forest cover at 7,000 to 10,000 feet elevation at Grand Canyon NP (North Rim) and Great Basin NP, and on a bike ride through forests along the west short of Lake Tahoe.

- Also tracked well at highway speeds on various two-lane roads and Interstate highways.

- Missed a few points while wandering around cliff dwellings at Mesa Verde. With rock overhangs blocking most of the sky, not surprised.

- explore.delorme.com maps work OK on an iPad, but you need a fast Internet connection. BTW, Verizon has much better coverage than AT&T in remote parts of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and Nevada, but even Verizon has curious dead zones.

- I still think the cover for the USB port is too hard to put back on straight. But I'm sort of getting the hang of it.

Overall, I still like the InReach SE. Itching to take it into real wilderness.

-- Rex

bayden cline
(pyro_) - F
pack mounting on 07/15/2013 11:58:21 MDT Print View

so for those of you who have an SE already how are you mounting it to your pack straps. Trying to figure out how i am going to do it with my Arc Blast and figured you guys might have some good ideas already on how to do this

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: pack mounting on 07/15/2013 12:36:26 MDT Print View

Here is a little food for thought. There are three signals that you are dealing with. One is the GPS downlink, one is the sat phone uplink, and one is the sat phone downlink. Each of these signals will shoot right through thin nylon fabric without a problem. If you had some nylon with water pooled on the surface, then there might be a little impairment. So, if you had this device in a thin nylon stuff sack and then secured firmly to the top or back of a backpack, that ought to work fine.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: pack mounting on 07/15/2013 18:56:39 MDT Print View

I clip the SE to the haul strap of the pack. It hangs on the top of the pack. Seems to work fine that way, and it's easy to get to.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: pack mounting on 07/15/2013 22:14:55 MDT Print View

So far I've clipped mine inside a mesh pack pocket. Works OK.

Satellite signals will go through pack material and fiberglass, but not human bodies, food, or metal, so higher is better.

-- Rex

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
pack mounting... on 07/16/2013 01:03:49 MDT Print View

I have added zip pockets to two of my frameless packs (MLD Burn and Newt) and the inReach fits nicely in the pocket with the antennae pointing skyward. This has worked very well. I also tried using the belt clip but the inReach missed a few track points when on my hip (I have done the same route with it in the pocket of my pack and it never missed a track point).

I don't see much advantage in putting the inReach on a pack strap the way you might do with a GPS because there is really nothing to see. Turn on tracking and put it in your pack... at the end of your hike, you turn off tracking and maybe send a few messages while sitting around your camp. I haven't had a need to look at my inReach while on the move.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
Pack Ski Attachment, inReach SE on 07/16/2013 07:59:10 MDT Print View

Pack Ski Attachment, inReach SEinReach SE

Edited by jimlarkey on 07/16/2013 08:02:16 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Battery life? on 07/16/2013 19:44:09 MDT Print View

This may be obvious. I've been amusing myself by pairing the SE with an iPod Touch. This draws down the SE's battery faster than when it is not transferring a whole bunch of GPS data over Bluetooth. It's great for drawing a detailed track on, say, a high res USGS topo and viewing that track on the quite wonderful display of the new iPod Touch (5th gen).

Most of the time, a continuous track is not strictly needed, and the iTouch (or other display device) can be left either off or at home. When not needed for a paired device, the SE's Bluetooth should be turned off too to hoard the battery. For that matter, you could just turn off the SE when not needed. However, if the SE is tracking when some unhappy event disables you, having it show your current location and unresponsiveness when pinged may be of great help to you or your heirs, assigns, or successors.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
So far so good... on 07/18/2013 11:42:57 MDT Print View

My unit just arrived -- so far so good!

Edited by jshefftz1 on 07/18/2013 12:09:34 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
MapShare problem? on 07/18/2013 15:16:39 MDT Print View

So aside from sync apparently (and amazingly?!?) still not working (though slowly entering email addresses will at least keep me occupied during some upcoming long airport lines), the only problem I’m having is with MapShare.

I created a tinyurl so that my key contacts can have an easy address to send me a message (replying to the first message I sent to my myself) and another tinyurl to view my MapShare page.

When I view MapShare from within my account, it looks like it should:

Mapshare, logged in


But when I (or one of my contacts) views the link I sent to my contacts, at first it starts to load that view, but then just before it's about to fully load, it shifts away from the local map based upon my location, and instead displays a world map, with all the buttons inoperable:

MapShare, public

As shown in the screen capture, clicking the User List displays:
"All users have been filtered out. Adjust your filter settings to see users."

I have allowed essentially everything from within my account, and don't even have a password for the page. I've searched the DeLorme technical database and user forums, but can't find anything about this problem? (I have, however, found other people with the same problem: when I search on likely terms, I reach other users' MapShare pages, some of which display the same message and lack of content.)

Edited by jshefftz1 on 07/18/2013 15:19:45 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: MapShare problem? on 07/18/2013 19:48:49 MDT Print View

Yes, Jonathan, I too have found the DeLorme web sites balky, at best. But, strangely, my message recipients haven't complained. I think the worst aspects of the SE are not the SE itself and its functioning, which seem fine, but are the DeLorme web sites the user and the user's contacts consult to see track points plotted. The map is slow to respond and sometimes does not do what it should.

However, these problems are not fatal to the major function of the SE: text communication both ordinary and emergent, with geo-coordinates. So, still not a five star product, but with some work on DeLorme's part, it could be.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach web map... on 07/19/2013 00:48:13 MDT Print View

Shortly after Jonathan posted his note, I tried my web map page to see how it was doing and none of the web map services would draw (just a blank frame came up).

I suspect that Delorme has been so busy pushing their new product out the door (before it was ready) that they haven't even considered ramping up their web services to handle the new load. I've had a lot of experience managing web mapping services and I know that managing load on a web map can be a significant challenge. I also think Delorme's web mapping technology is pretty crude by today's standards.

I have to agree with Jim, when I evaluate the inReach SE, I'm actually evaluating three distinct products... their web map, their Earthmate app, and the inreach SE. I really like the new device (inReach SE) and it has worked well for me (5*). The few times I've used the Earthmate app I've not been extremely impressed but it does the job (3.5*). The Delorme Web Map is the real low point in my opinion and could use a complete overhaul (2*). It feels/looks like a web map from 5-10 years ago. I do like their base mapping however, so they have that going for them.

I also find their website really bad as well but that might be due to the fact that I'm in Canada (I don't know if the USA clients will have the same issue). Their entire website is completely disjointed and appears to run on two distinct sites.

When I log on to my account it puts me on a simple web page and then informs me that I can log on to the "admin site" if I want. If I click the link to the admin site, I have to log in again and I get a completely different interface that manages my setup options etc. I'm not sure if this is because Delorme Canada manages my account and Delorme USA manages my device but I suspect that might be it. I'd be interested in hearing comments from customers in the USA (and elsewhere)... do you get a disjointed website that requires two logins?

Edited by skopeo on 07/19/2013 11:44:11 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach web map... on 07/19/2013 10:33:09 MDT Print View

Yes, Mike, my experience is just like yours. Thanks for troubling to detail it. I also agree with your ratings of the three associated products. Since I would want to weight the importance of each product, with the SE heaviest and the web site lightest, I'll stay with four stars overall, until further developments, since the primary functions are handled pretty well.

The thing that most bugs me about the Earthmate app is its total incompetence with Preset messages. It's not crucially important, but the lack of access to them from Earthmate is just stupid. I get the feeling that the Explore, Share, and Admin web sites and Earthmate were cobbled up one summer by a couple of interns who didn't like each other and never talked. Nobody at DeLorme could understand their work, so maintenance and improvement were neglected.

There, I feel better now.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
InReach SE locked up...do I get a Prize? on 07/20/2013 19:15:33 MDT Print View

While pairing my inReach SE to an iPhone (successfully), the inReach locked up. Backlight continuously on, clock froze, couldn't move cursor, off key didn't work, cursor rocker pad keys didn't move cursor. What to do?

Simply pull the batteries....Oh, they aren't user replaceable, be sure to carry a phillips screwdriver with you.

Solution: press 3 keys, "X" + down cursor + check key simultaneously (f/w download). When prompted to continue, say no, and close down and restart unit with check key.

This would be a fun one in the field :-) Oh the joys of technology that mostly works.

Edited by jimlarkey on 07/21/2013 06:51:40 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: InReach SE locked up...do I get a Prize? on 07/20/2013 20:35:16 MDT Print View

When that happens with my SE, I put 120VAC on the rear contacts. It's sort of like electroshock treatment or, maybe, defibrillation. Whatever.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
SE = great, Mapshare & customer service = bad on 07/25/2013 18:37:45 MDT Print View

"I get the feeling that the Explore, Share, and Admin web sites and Earthmate were cobbled up one summer by a couple of interns who didn't like each other and never talked. Nobody at DeLorme could understand their work, so maintenance and improvement were neglected."
Hah, love it!
Although I think the MapShare interns were poorly paid and hence resentfully and actively sabotaged the website. Possibly ditto for current Customer "Service" staff.
Here's an update in the form of a reply I just sent, along with screen captures showing my six-message list yet sparse MapShare view:

*****

Thank you for getting back to me.

Unfortunately though, from Friday afternoon to Thursday evening is a rather long lag time for a reply to such a straightforward inquiry.

More importantly, your explanation (i.e., MapShare previously displayed nothing b/c of no data and hence essentially nothing to display) is entirely incorrect.

If you had looked at the url I had provided to your own forum, you would have seen (and can still see) that I did indeed have data to display back then, and it was indeed previously displayed when accessing MapShare via my own account. But nothing appeared at the public site. (Note that my MapShare is now password-protected: "[****]" which apparently is case-specific, although if you type it in lower-case, instead of displaying some sort of error message, the page just keeps starting over.)

Now the public MapShare does display a single message. But it still doesn't display the initial message from last week at the public site. Even worse, when accessing MapShare via my own account, that initial message no longer appears. Still worse, I have sent a total of six messages from my SE, yet only one appears in MapShare. (And yes, I'm allowing "All time" and have "Messages" checked.)

I was about to write that at least the SE is working well. However, the Messages icon now displays only seven of my total of eight message (whether sent or received). The Data Use icon correctly displays a total of eight messages. And the "lost" message (which was my very first message) is still displayed in my Enterprise account, and was previously visible under my SE Message icon.

Thank you in advance for looking into these very serious problems,
Jonathan

*****

MapShare, public - updated

All Sent Messages

Edited by jshefftz1 on 07/25/2013 18:42:17 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Limit on # of Message Recipients? on 07/25/2013 18:46:35 MDT Print View

Depending on which email addresses I select, I'm maxing out on four to six recipients for my messages. Anyone else figure out whether it's a certain number of characters across all the selected email addresses or ...?

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Careful with that Power On button! on 07/25/2013 19:00:22 MDT Print View

If you jam your SE inside your laptop case during a two-day Midwestern business meeting (in advance of a PNW ski mountaineering trip), be careful that the "check" button isn't pressing up against something.

On the second day, I heard a strange chirp from my briefcase. Whoops, warning that the battery was down to 25%! (I suspect it dropped that much from ~90% only a little over 24 hours earlier because it was in a building with blocked GPS reception, so it kept struggling to get a signal.)

So far, that would be my only complaint regarding the hardware.

My two other complaints with the SE (as opposed to the website, and the Earthmate app) are (as previously posted) the disappearance of my very first message from the Messages icon (though still registered in the History and Data Use icons) and the confusing limitation on the number of recipients. Seems like those can be fixed with a future firmware update.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Careful with that Power On button! on 07/25/2013 19:06:29 MDT Print View

"I suspect it dropped that much from ~90% only a little over 24 hours earlier because it was in a building with blocked GPS reception, so it kept struggling to get a signal."

Unlike some cell phones, GPS receivers don't do anything different during blocked GPS reception, and they don't struggle.

--B.G.--

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Hmm, maybe the screen was on constantly? on 07/25/2013 19:13:38 MDT Print View

Okay, so much for the theory of the blocked GPS signal.
Back-up theory: given the way I had the SE jammed in my laptop case, I suspect one or more buttons were constantly or at least frequently being pressed, thereby keeping the screen on (which was set at 100%) much or even all of the time.
(BTW, the screen has excellent brightness when maxed out. Even with glacier glasses and brilliant sunshine from reflective snow, I could still read the screen.)

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Okay, making progress here... on 07/25/2013 21:24:49 MDT Print View

Okay, now I get it ... so near the top left displays the date/time of whatever my most recent transmission was, regardless of type.

On the map, the little text-box icon will display any specifically MapShare messages that I sent.

These specifically MapShare can be sent either from:

- The Social icon, which allows messages to be sent to any combination of MapShare, Twitter, and Facebook. If I’m understanding this correctly, you can’t notify anyone from the field this way. Beforehand, you can send out the MapShare link, but it won’t update anyone upon a post to MapShare. The Social icon does have the option though of eight different Quick Text messages ... no, not the three Quick Text messages that you can edit on-line (yet which still aren’t available on the SE b/c of lack of sync so far) but instead these can’t be edited beforehand, yet can be edited once selected.

- The Preset Messages, if you have previously checked off the MapShare box. (And from within the Enterprise Account, you can also include Twitter and Facebook for recipients of Preset Messages.) Given that Preset Messages have no limit on the number of recipients (unlike regular Messages at the moment, b/c the lack of sync means that the email addresses use up much of the character allotment), this lends yet another advantage to Preset Messages for “I’m okay, just checking in” transmissions.

Missing is the ability to add MapShare as yet another recipient to a list in the regular Message function. This inability is really puzzling. Why not just allow “MapShare” to be added to the contacts list?

I also now realize why my very first message had disappeared from the SE’s message list: kind of like gmail, identical Preset Messages are “stacked” on top of one another. So my message list when scrolling has only one entry for “Preset 1" yet when I select it, I see both messages. I suspect that other messages with identical recipients might be this same way, and I didn’t notice it b/c all my other messages have included slightly different recipient lists.

Overall, the SE is a great product on its own. The small shortcomings with the device will be easy to fix with a future firmware update. The websites need some major work, but the SE's basic functionality is fine even with all the website dysfunction. I'm very glad I bought it, despite the confusion sleuthing through all this.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: InReach SE locked up...do I get a Prize? on 08/07/2013 22:23:30 MDT Print View

[Rebooted my computer after power failure today:

Dead rose from graves, strange signs glowed in the sky, duplicate post mysteriously appeared in this thread]

Edited by JimSubzero on 08/07/2013 22:31:07 MDT.

Kevin Schneringer
(Slammer) - MLife

Locale: Oklahoma Flat Lands
SE not finishing activation on 08/09/2013 18:44:22 MDT Print View

my Inreach got here today so went about following instructions to activate.
It has been setting outside pointed straight perfectly open view to sky.

50 minutes- still saying "waiting for confirmation"

anyone else have long activation times?
or did I do something wrong?

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: SE not finishing activation on 08/09/2013 21:55:09 MDT Print View

You have been chosen, Kevin. Your destiny is with DeLorme. Contact HQ immediately.

Kevin Schneringer
(Slammer) - MLife

Locale: Oklahoma Flat Lands
It's Alive on 08/10/2013 15:46:36 MDT Print View

Well it seems that you have to wait on an Email from Delorme. Not the one telling you thanks for buying a service plan. But a separate one which took a while, like 16 hours to arrive.

Once the second email hit it activated in about 5 minutes.

It seems to work very nicely and texts go out and back with no trouble.
Composing test takes some getting use to. But it's fit and function are good.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: It's Alive on 08/10/2013 16:06:09 MDT Print View

"But a separate one which took a while, like 16 hours to arrive."

Is that a satellite connection, or is that Pony Express?

--B.G.--

Roger Munsey
(8100LT) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
New inReach SE Firmware Update available on 08/12/2013 17:36:53 MDT Print View

A new inReach SE Firmware Update (2.1) is available and the sync features works now!
Finally starting to make this device and web interface user friendly.

Roger

Kevin Schneringer
(Slammer) - MLife

Locale: Oklahoma Flat Lands
Sync! on 08/12/2013 20:05:19 MDT Print View

update took about 2 minutes and now we have contact sync!
very nice indeed.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Careful on your first prorated month! on 08/13/2013 12:50:58 MDT Print View

Just discovered that the first month fee is prorated from the date of activation through the 6th of the month. (Thereafter, the billing cycle is the 7th of the month through the 6th of the following month.)

Your message allocation is also prorated. So let's say, in an extreme example, you activate on the 5th of the month. Under the Safety Plan, you might think you have 10 messages. Actually, you would have only one or two (depending on rounding up or truncating). Fortunately, my excessive overage fee is going to be credited toward my next invoice.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE keeps trying, gets message through! on 08/15/2013 20:58:34 MDT Print View

Last night I updated the firmware on my inReach SE (went reasonably smoothly), synced (for the first time!), and poked around on the unit looking for changes.

I accidentally pushed the "Send" button on default Preset message #1 "Starting my trip." The message didn't go through, because I was in the house, and I couldn't find a way to cancel it. Thought, "Oh well, next time I go outside with it, the message will go through, no harm."

I put the inReach SE back on the charger, turned on (like always), and forgot about it.

About 20 hours later, I got the "Starting my trip" message on my cell phone, while I was at work, and nobody else at home. Huh?

When I got home, the inReach was still sitting where I left it. On the first floor of a two-story house, on a table 6 inches below and 6 inches inside a 4x4 foot window, which looks through trees at a taller house 20 feet away, with a couple small patches of northern sky showing.

I guess an Iridium satellite finally flew through one of those patches of sky, and the inReach SE was able to send the message.

I'm more confident that if I push the SOS button, the message will go out eventually, even without big patches of sky visible.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach SE keeps trying, gets message through! on 08/15/2013 23:38:46 MDT Print View

That is encouraging news, Rex. Did you check the coords on the message? Are they more or less what you would expect them to be?

My SE doesn't get a GPS lock when in the middle of my house, but that is not so surprising since it is underground. However, my Bad Elf GPS Pro 2200 does . . . with six or eight satellites. It must be detecting signals ricocheting around the house from the windows and skylight. Position accuracy and stability improve when the Elf is outside.

SE Battery Use

With Bluetooth disabled, my rule of thumb for a ten minute trackpoint interval is one percent of battery capacity per hour. That extrapolates to 100 hours, which is what DeLorme claims, I think. By going to fewer trackpoints and by turning the SE off at night, trips of at least one week could be eked out, while leaving a reserve for important and/or emergency text communications. Light communication when backpacking light!

Firmware Update and Synching

No probs.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: inReach SE keeps trying, gets message through! on 08/16/2013 00:35:04 MDT Print View

>Did you check the coords on the message?
>Are they more or less what you would expect them to be?

The position reported was about 250 feet off [Edit: checked using Google Maps instead of eyeball. Still] Not bad under the circumstances, and certainly close enough if rescuers were looking for me.

All but a handful of my tracking locations so far have been very close to the road or trail I was traveling at the time. That handful were off 150 feet or less.

>With Bluetooth disabled, my rule of thumb for a ten minute trackpoint interval
>is one percent of battery capacity per hour.

Your battery use rule of thumb matches my experience.

Not sure if turning the inReach SE off at night will make a lot of difference. When the device figures out it's not moving, it reduces tracking messages to once every 4 hours, and battery use drops a lot. Thought I saw a setting for that, but can't find it now. Still, that's excellent default behavior!

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 08/16/2013 01:06:20 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
A few follow-up points to previously raised issues... on 08/16/2013 09:54:47 MDT Print View

Just a few follow-up points to issues that have been raised throughout this long (and very helpful) thread:

1. Once you hit the button to send a message, [EDIT!] here is how to delete it if it hasn't gone out yet, copied from Rex's post further below in this thread (thanks Rex!):
a. Select "Messages"
b. Select the message you want to delete
c. Select the *body* of the message you want to delete
d. Scroll up once to show message details
e. Select "Delete"
f. Select "Delete" again to confirm
g. Use the X key to get out.
You can also cancel an SOS request (or rather, perform a procedure that essentially tells the rescue hq, Oh, that's very different ... never mind).

2. I suspect that both of us here who inadvertently sent a Preset Message did so in the process of trying to read the customized text. Now that Sync is finally available, you can indeed see all of your Preset Message text and recipients ... *AFTER* you send a message! But before you do so, the list of the three Preset Messages now shows about 20 to 24 of the first characters (depending on their width), and no recipients. Still though, that should provide enough of each Preset Message to remind you of which is which.

3. The SE still lacks the ability to display its own GPS coordinates. Given its extensive menu system, I am absolutely baffled why the SE doesn’t have a twelfth menu icon for “GPS” which would provide the option of displaying the coordinates.

4. That aside, any type of message you send to anyone will appear in both the Messages and History menu options, with GPS coordinates shown. (Although note that Messages groups them together by identical recipients, whereas History more helpfully groups them together by date.)

5. If you want to sent a message only to your own InReach SE, then yes, you can do that, and it will also display the GPS coordinates. However, other than not bothering anyone else (including your own email account and/or cell phone), that doesn’t offer any advantages, since the SE still needs to upload the message successfully to the Iridium satellite, and then check for messages successfully to the Iridium satellite. (Note that you can send messages directly to another InReach SE user.) And if you’re on a limited plan, be sure *not* to include your own SE address, since otherwise each message will be charged twice against your quota.

6. For message recipients, your GPS coordinates are displayed in emails, but *not* in text messages. This is a baffling oversight, especially since the text wastes characters by prefacing each message with a full "See [FirstName] [LastName]'s location:" and then concludes with the utterly worthless corporate self-promotion of "DeLorme - Always InReach."

7. Instead, the text has only a map url (which at least on my phone does not trigger the hypertext, although it’s easy enough to type into a phone’s browswer http://dlor.me/ followed by a seven-character alphameric string). The recipient can zoom way in, with the choice of Topo, Aerial, or Road views. IMPORTANT EDIT: To obtain the GPS coordinates, the recipient must click on the little red circle in the map. (This is not at all intuitive -- I noticed this only after reading Jim's post below, hence this edit.)

8. However, what it the recipient has just enough cell reception for a text message to get through briefly, but not enough reception to access the internet (whether to view the map or to read an email)? Under that scenario, an SE user who wants to provide GPS coordinates via text must first send a message, copy down the GPS coordinates, then enter those coordinates into a second message.

Edited by jshefftz1 on 08/17/2013 07:14:43 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: A few follow-up points to previously raised issues... on 08/16/2013 10:07:08 MDT Print View

Re Point 7: Clicking on a track point on the DeLorme map yields its coordinates as well as the options to locate, start tracking, and send a message. Maybe that doesn't work when you type in the map URL. So complicated!

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
GPS coordinates from map contained in text url on 08/16/2013 10:14:09 MDT Print View

Jim, thanks, I didn't realize that -- although I essentially can't use tracking with my Safety Plan (prohibitively expensive), clicking on the single red circle in a regular message similarly reveals the previously concealed GPS coordinates.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE tips: Delete pending message, Quick Text flexibility on 08/16/2013 23:06:09 MDT Print View

Figured out how to delete a pending Preset, Quick Text, or Regular message if it hasn't been sent yet. Lots of steps, but useful to know.

  1. Select "Messages"
  2. Select the message you want to delete
  3. Select the body of the message you want to delete
  4. Scroll up once to show message details
  5. Select "Delete"
  6. Select "Delete" again to confirm
  7. Use the X key to get out.

"Quick Text" messages are very handy. When you select the message body to start editing, you will get a small square with a lightning bolt, "+" sign, and the word "Select". Select that square, and you'll see your list of Quick Text messages.

"Quick Text" messages can be edited or added onto, just select the message body, and the keyboard will pop up again. Could be used for something like, "Hi honey, I'm at X trailhead, starting my hike now.", where you replace X with the actual trailhead name. Unfortunately, you cannot combine Quick Text messages; when you select a second QT message, that replaces your previous message.

inReach SE performance still meeting my expectations. Today the inReach SE sent four tracking messages accurately from under a tall, thick second-growth coastal redwood forest, and one text message from near the bottom of a canyon in that forest. Yay!

The more I use the inReach SE, the more I'm impressed with the careful thought that went into the design. I don't see that in very many products.

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 08/16/2013 23:08:51 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Deletion, Three Types of Messages, Quick Text on 08/17/2013 07:11:46 MDT Print View

Rex, super helpful on the deletion procedure, many thanks!
(I suspect that my prior attempts didn’t succeed because I didn’t click on the *body* of the message.)

Regarding the three types of messages though, they are best described as Preset, Regular, and Social Media. Quick Text is not a message but rather a component of either a Regular or Social Media message. (And expanding on your caution about attempting to add a second Quick Text string to a message, adding even a first Quick Text string will erase any custom text already written in a message – with no advance warning! – so be sure to reserve adding a Quick Text string as your *first* action in composing a message.)

The only distinction between a Regular vs. Social Media message is that Regular messages are sent to any combination of email addresses, SMS, and/or InReach devices. Social Media messages are sent to any combination of your MapShare, Faceback, and/or Twitter accounts. These two different sets of recipients can be combined into a single Preset Message, but not in a customized message. So yet another baffling omission (especially since MapShare and Facebook appear in my on-line account contacts, but not in my SE contacts), but still not a fatal flaw (since it just requires sending another message if you want to notify both individuals and social media), and unfortunately kind of typical of the SE (i.e., impressive capabilities, but lots of future updates needed to smooth off the rough edges so to speak).

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Two inReach SE tracking settings removed on 08/23/2013 13:42:37 MDT Print View

One of the inReach SE firmware updates silently removed two "Tracking" settings:

Stationary Interval - The amount of time between each send of a track point while stationary.

Stationary Radius - The distance the inReach SE must move to not be considered "stationary".

DeLorme still documents the old behavior here:
http://support.delorme.com/questions.php?questionid=218


I don't miss those settings much, but I don't know the default settings. The screen shot in the support page shows 10 minutes and 100 meters, but those might not be the post-update values.

Curious.

-- Rex

[Edit to correct typo copied and pasted from DeLorme web site!]

Edited by Rex on 08/23/2013 17:58:42 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
More observations of DeLorme inReach SE performance on 08/25/2013 23:09:56 MDT Print View

Took my inReach SE on a day hike through Big Basin Redwoods State Park in California today. For those who know the park: Gazos Creek Road, Sunset Trail, Berry Creek Falls Trail, Skyline-to-the-Sea Trail, Middle Ridge Road, Gazos Creek Road.

I was in thick, tall second-growth redwoods and fir trees virtually the entire hike, and in the bottom of a canyon for much of the hike. I had 10-minute tracking turned on, sent 3 messages, and carefully noted my time and position at a couple of spots for comparison later. Total hiking time about 5.5 hours for 11 miles (I'm not fast).

When I got home, I reviewed the locations on DeLorme's maps, and copied-pasted lat/lon into Google Maps for a few locations.

Results:

- Some tracking points were delayed or missing. I would track at 10 minutes for a while, then jump to 14, 10, 16, etc. Biggest jump was 26 minutes.

- The messages I sent were delivered in 2-15 minutes.

- All were pretty close to where I was at the time. Hard to tell for many locations, because the trails are not marked on either DeLorme topos or Google Maps.

- Google Maps and air photos are more accurate than the DeLorme street maps or air photos. For the handful of locations I checked in Google, the offset was less than 20 feet. Same locations in DeLorme's online maps were off by 100 feet or more.

For example, I parked near the bottom of Gazos Creek Road, just west of the bridge, in a pullout on the south side of the road, and sent two messages from there.

DeLorme screen shot showing both messages:
DeLorme screen shot
Google screen shots showing one message:
Google screen shot
Google screen shot
The suggested Google Street View even showed the 2-car dirt pullout I parked in!

The DeLorme Export button has an option for KML, so you can open in Google Maps or Google Earth, but the KML is points only, no lines connecting the dots in time.

Pro tip: You can display most KML/KMZ files in Google Maps, without using Google Earth. Put the KML/KMZ file on a public web site (e.g. Dropbox, Google Docs), copy-and-paste the URL into a Google Maps search box, and your KML/KMZ info will appear in your browser.

Overall the inReach SE performance was very good in a very challenging setting. DeLorme's maps – not as good, but adequate. Astounded at the accuracy of Google's maps and air photos.

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 08/25/2013 23:20:28 MDT.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
inReach F/W vers: 2.2.3322124 on 09/09/2013 13:16:35 MDT Print View

New firmware version available, no release notes posted on DeLorme site.
F/W vers: 2.2.3322124

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: inReach F/W vers: 2.2.3322124 on 09/09/2013 16:29:39 MDT Print View

I installed it and seemed to have lost the ability to see a bit of the three preset messages and recipients. Maybe I just dreamed that. Oh, well.

The Firmware Upload 'n' Sync ended in an error message. I tried resyncing, which took only seconds. No error message.

I tried sending, then aborting, a message. Seems to work, if you delete it in History before it gets uploaded to Ir. The connected iPod still shows the message, though.

Also, the Contacts shown in the SE are those entered in Explore.DeLorme plus those entered manually. The Contacts shown on the Bluetooth device (an iPod) just seem to be the iPod's contacts. I clicked the Sync button on Explore for my connected Bluetooth device. You'd think it would get the contacts entered from Explore.

Things still seem a little rough around the edges.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Firmware Upgrade -- nothing new as far as I can tell... on 09/09/2013 16:52:00 MDT Print View

I upgraded to the latest firmware today.
I don't notice any differences.
(And I can still see the beginning snippet of each Preset Message.)

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: inReach F/W vers: 2.2.3322124 on 09/09/2013 17:08:22 MDT Print View

Update Release Notes posted:
http://support.delorme.com/questions.php?questionid=236

Mostly boilerplate plus: "Various stability improvements"

Also got an email notice from DeLorme; total useful content:

"The latest update contains several functional improvements, and they are important to install on your inReach before your next trip.""

Highly informative - NOT!

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 09/09/2013 17:11:05 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 09:12:07 MDT Print View

4 out of 5 stars. Lots of pictures and screen shots:

http://www.trailgroove.com/issue10.html?autoflip=49

Interesting comments at the end about feeling "Too Connected".

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: inReach F/W vers: 2.2.3322124 on 09/19/2013 09:30:34 MDT Print View

"Various stability improvements"

That is a euphemism for "We made a stab at some bug fixes and hope that we didn't create any new ones."

--B.G.--

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 13:14:10 MDT Print View

I used mine last weekend in PA - so lots of tree cover throughout the trip. I was pretty impressed with how well it did even in that environment.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 14:06:19 MDT Print View

Doug, which service plan did you get, and why?

It seems to me that the technology is roughly stable. The user interface is rough but stable. The initial cost is affordable. All I need now is an affordable service plan that makes sense.

--B.G.--

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 15:19:55 MDT Print View

"Doug, which service plan did you get, and why?"

I got the recreation plan, mainly for the unlimited tracking. I really only needed the communication aspect for my pet sitter, so the safety plan would have been plenty. But I decided the tracking would be fun to try out, and that I might as well take advantage of it if I was going to carry the thing in the first place.

I've justified it to myself (always a pretty easy task, actually) by offering it to friends to borrow for their trips as well.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 15:25:58 MDT Print View

I understand about the pet sitter. What about the dog? Can't the pooch reply with a text message? Maybe its paws are too large for the buttons.

--B.G.--

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 15:47:57 MDT Print View

"What about the dog?"

The dog wants to go with you, then you won't have to text it : )

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Good review of inReach SE on TrailGroove on 09/19/2013 16:00:42 MDT Print View

"What about the dog? Can't the pooch reply with a text message? Maybe its paws are too large for the buttons."

Are you kidding? She can use it just fine, but she has no interest in texting me. I had to cut her off because she was sexting with the German Shepherd down the street. Good thing it doesn't do pictures.....

Ryan C
(radio_guy) - MLife

Locale: OH & AK
Service Plans on 09/19/2013 19:23:05 MDT Print View

Being an aviator and backpacker, I have considered jumping on the InReach SE bandwagon.

I have a 406MHz PLB that stays in the flight bag and goes on solo or "risky" trips but is rather heavy. You better be in bad shape if you push that red button too.

Being I would have an InReach SE primarily for safety reasons rather than tracking, am I better off getting the safety plan with 10 messages per month and just paying $1.50 per message if I find a need to text more?

$20 activation + 12mo $10 Safety Plan = $140 first year, $120 after

$20 activation + 12mo $25 Recreation Plan = $320 first year, $300 after

Has anyone done the safety plan and exceeded the 10 messages per month? Did the billing go smoothly?

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Service Plans on 09/19/2013 19:42:45 MDT Print View

I'd say yes. Why pay more when you really only want it for emergencies, with perhaps the occasional message.

Haven't come close to my max messages, but for the two months I've had it I've had no problems with billing.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Safety Plan on 09/19/2013 20:17:27 MDT Print View

I signed up the for the safety plan since I don't have a compelling need for the tracking function, and though I might go over the 10-message free allotment in some months, no way am I going to exceed the entire year-long differential for Safety vs Recreational.

My first invoice included an overage charge, both because I had unwittingly set up my Preset Messages to include my SE as a recipient (hence double counting my messages), and because DeLorme shifts everyone to a 6th of the month to 5th of the following month billing cycle, prorating the first period for both monthly fee and message allotment.

DeLorme claimed that this is published somewhere, but could not identify where, and therefore credited my account.

The next month, the credit was there, but the messages from the prior billing cycle were charged yet again.

So another call to get another credit...

I'm still pleased with my purchase of the SE, given its impressive core functionality, but I sure am wondering about DeLorme competence in other matters.

Edited by jshefftz1 on 09/19/2013 20:38:11 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Safety Plan on 09/19/2013 20:35:12 MDT Print View

"DeLorme shifts everyone to a 6th of the month to 5th of the following month billing cycles"

I wonder if that has anything to do with when DeLorme pays Iridium for the satellite service.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
InreachSE on 09/20/2013 02:44:00 MDT Print View

So far I've been very pleased with the inReach SE and I have experienced very similar results with tracking that Rex described. I was backpacking in bit of a canyon area so I purposely brought my Garmin Etrex 20 and my inReach so I could compare tracks. I was surprised to see that the Garmin lost it's lock in the same places that the inReach delayed it's tracking. I'm not surprised that they both lost their signal but was pleasantly surprised that the inReach seemed to recover a signal lock as quickly as the Garmin.

As for the plans, be glad if you are in the USA! The plans in Canada cost more and are really poor. I have to choose a tracking plan or a texting plan. I can't get a nice mix of tracking and texting the way you do in the USA.

You can actually swap plans at no charge but do it on the plan date (5th or 6th?) to avoid surprise overage charges.

I had the original inReach last year and tried using just the safety plan and paying overages as needed. That combined with suspending service ($4 or$5 per month is all you pay for a suspended service) made it pretty cheap to run. The problem with the safety plan and suspending service is that you tend to try and NOT use the device which really defeats the purpose of the inReach and I might as well carry a PLB at no cost if I'm just carrying it for emergency use.

I also found the downside of not having unlimited tracking. My backpacking trip this past week involved a 5.5 hour drive to the trailhead. On the way back home I threw my pack into the back of my truck and forgot to turn off tracking. At 10 min per track point the 5.5 hour drive has cost me (I haven't seen the bill yet :(

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
inReach F/W vers: 2.3 on 09/27/2013 08:02:43 MDT Print View

Firmware Update 2.3
Fixes:
•Updated Bluetooth functionality
•Various performance improvements

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE on 10/19/2013 01:28:59 MDT Print View

So here's something that might be of interest for those of you that are inReach users outside of the USA.

Most of the messages that I send from my inReach go to email addresses but on my most recent trip, I was chatting with my son via SMS on his iPhone (much more direct than email as there is no web page interaction required on the recipients end). He was surprised to find that he was charged a "long distance" fee on the text messages that he sent to my inReach from his iPhone (his plan has unlimited texting).

It seems that all text messages going to/from the inReach are routed through Delorme in the USA. So anybody that is outside of the USA that responds to a text message that is sent from an inReach may have to pay a service charge for long distance access (I'm not sure if all international carriers will do this but Roger's certainly charged my son here in Canada). Each message cost him $0.25 so I'll definitely be sending my messages via email from now on.

Just thought this might be of interest for other international users. I'd be interested in hearing if other international users have noticed this.

Edited by skopeo on 10/19/2013 01:29:56 MDT.

Leigh Baker
(leighb) - F

Locale: Northeast Texas Pineywoods
re: inReach SE on 10/19/2013 08:20:51 MDT Print View

I spent the better part of the morning reading this entire post, as my McMurdo FastFind is nearing the end of its life. I have to say I found it immensely entertaining and informative, if not a bit painful at times following user exasperation. I sincerely appreciate the time taken by so many of you, Rex, Jim, and others, in sharing your experiences. I look forward to more updates. Thanks!

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE rundown test on 10/22/2013 00:36:30 MDT Print View

Took my inReach SE hiking Sunday afternoon fully charged, then left it on the table turned on but not plugged in, to see how long the battery would last. Still attempting to send 10-minute tracking messages, but it had no visibility to GPS or Iridium satellites.

Just got a ring and a message from the device .

10% Battery Warning
It is advised that you
recharge your inReach to
ensure enough power for
possible SOS use.


Nice feature. Awkward English.

That's about 5 hours of hiking and sending tracking messages, plus 29 hours of sitting with no satellite access, to get to 10% charge.

Worst case, you might run your fully charged battery down in a little over 30 hours if you keep the inReach SE shielded from satellites.

So don't do that!

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach SE rundown test on 10/22/2013 00:58:16 MDT Print View

Interesting.

Now all we need is some kind of discount deal on satellite service.

--B.G.--

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: inReach SE rundown test on 10/22/2013 07:29:25 MDT Print View

Now all we need is it to have a display that shows a topo map, records tracks and waypoints, like a standard GPS.

and I forget, does it have state of the art antenae and receiver?

(and throw in a camera while you're at it)

then you'de save carrying the weight of a GPS (and camera)

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: inReach SE rundown test on 10/22/2013 08:22:13 MDT Print View

And a pony! Think how much more useful the SE would be with a pony. Not so much on ships of the air and sea, but otherwise!

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Careful there with texting to an SE... on 10/22/2013 09:21:21 MDT Print View

"[...] on my most recent trip, I was chatting with my son via SMS on his iPhone (much more direct than email as there is no web page interaction required on the recipients end)"

Glad to hear that worked out well, but that doesn't always work:
http://forum.delorme.com/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=84395&start=10

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
inReach SE tracking success stats on 10/25/2013 09:41:13 MDT Print View

Went to explore.delorme.com, used the map to discover the start-stop times of all my hikes, and downloaded the full KML file. One hour of editing later, I had an Excel spreadsheet of tracking date/times associated with each hike. I normally hike with 10-minute tracking turned on. After fixing some problems (see below), we have:

230 theoretical tracking points (time divided by 10 minutes)
222 tracking points received
8 tracking points missed

7 of those missed tracking points were from one Big Basin hike (details here, in dense forests and canyons.

Even on that hike:
34 theoretical tracking points
27 tracking points received
7 tracking points missed

Some of the other hikes had portions of dense forest with canyons, something special about Big Basin?

Problems: I dropped hikes under rock overhangs at Mesa Verde. I had some false alarms on several hikes with a cluster of missed tracking points. On further investigation, those were lunch stops or swim breaks. The inReach senses non-movement, and stops sending tracking points until you move again. I broke those hikes into before and after segments for the stats.

Overall, excellent performance under most conditions.

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 10/25/2013 09:42:30 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
SE v 2.4 = good! on 12/19/2013 14:34:53 MST Print View

I haven't installed it and tested it yet, but looks promising:

*****

DeLorme's latest inReach SE firmware update (2.4) delivers new functionality and improvements based on feedback from our customers like you!

New location page - Your GPS coordinates are now visible on-screen, making location sharing and reference to paper maps easier. Page also includes updated speed, course, elevation, and GPS accuracy details.
Updated preset messages page - You can now view details for each preset message to ensure that you're sending the correct information. You can also see the full recipient list and complete message by selecting the field and viewing details.
Sound update - We improved the notification tone and repeat options for alerts making it easier for you to hear notifications.
View inReach Address - You can now view the owner contact info and more easily share your address with other inReach users for device-to-device messaging.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: SE v 2.4 = good! on 12/19/2013 14:47:10 MST Print View

". . . looks promising."

Yes, it does, and it's taking a really long time to install. I hope it finishes before I die. Can't wait to see geo-coords directly and other stuff, like complete preset message info. I like the preset messages a lot. Back in the old days (several months ago), it was just a choice of Message 1, 2, or 3. Now you will know what you are sending and to whom.

Still installing . . .

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE update on 12/19/2013 15:39:42 MST Print View

I haven't installed the update yet but am really pleased to hear they have added a "current location" screen.

I took part in the recent survey that Delorme sent out and also asked them to contact me for further input. I was surprised that they actually phoned me and we had a lengthy discussion regarding my perceived issues with the device and supporting app and web pages. Many of the issues I was complaining about were "user error" on my part and they were very helpful and explained some details I wasn't aware of. The rest of the issues I mentioned were recorded as possible future enhancements. Kudos to Delorme for listening!!

Edit: Link to what's been updated

http://dmail.delorme.com/HM?a=ENX7CqkUPj-E8SA9MKJFffnnGHxKLHum-PcStGb5lw8W0bBhOG5mpqVsje_HhdDfgVEH

Edited by skopeo on 12/19/2013 15:42:01 MST.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: SE v 2.4 = good! on 12/19/2013 16:08:33 MST Print View

"Still installing . . ."

After waiting several years for the firmware update to complete, I aborted. Then the SE was apparently a brick. I called DeLorme Support (Scott) and got the magic chord of buttons to push to revivify my poor dead SE. It is XButton + DownArrow, and then, still holding those, CheckButton. The second try worked, though it said it didn't. It only took a few minutes, giving progress reports as it went. First attempt gave no progress reports, because there was no progress.

I'm going to verify that the SE still communicates with all those satellites, but it almost certainly will. The new changes are very welcome. I'll post if any problems arise.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE firmware update on 12/19/2013 21:30:30 MST Print View

Jim -

Thanks for posting the reset key sequence!! You saved me a lot of trouble by posting that. I had the same experience as you (update hung) and I was able to get it going by doing the reset. Not a good experience but thankfully, you had already broken the trail.

I tested the new coordinate display feature and it works very well. I like the fact that you can hit "send coordinates" directly from the coordinate display screen. It's a nice addition to the unit.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: DeLorme inReach SE firmware update on 12/19/2013 21:37:13 MST Print View

Is there any big downside to the firmware reset sequence?

Is there any user data that gets lost from it?

To put it another way, is there any good reason why DeLorme does not document this?

--B.G.--

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: DeLorme inReach SE firmware update on 12/19/2013 21:41:53 MST Print View

"To put it another way, is there any good reason why DeLorme does not document this?"

It is documented, in the manual, under troubleshooting (the check button is the power button).

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Re: DeLorme inReach SE firmware update on 12/19/2013 22:52:02 MST Print View

The key sequence Jim mentioned probably sets the unit back to the factory default setting but it also syncs your unit with your web account at the same time, so your settings and data are restored. There could be some data loss if you had updated something on the unit without doing a sync prior to the firmware upgrade hanging but you probably wouldn't lose much even in that instance.

As for why Delorme doesn't document the process... hard to say, but I suspect it's to prevent users from over-using the hard reset (which is always a bit of a risk). The unit has a "reset to factory default" option in the settings menu which is probably a safer bet if you can get to it. In my case (and Jim's) the unit appeared dead after the firmware upgrade hung, so I had nothing to lose by doing the hard reset.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
inReach Hard/Soft Reset Graphic on 12/20/2013 06:58:02 MST Print View

inReach Hard/Soft Reset

https://support.delorme.com/kb/articles/14-troubleshooting-an-inreach-se

Edited by jimlarkey on 12/20/2013 08:32:31 MST.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Brief review of inReach SE on backpacker.com on 12/23/2013 09:39:03 MST Print View

http://www.backpacker.com/fall-gear-guide-2013-gear-review-delorme-inreach-se-two-way-messenger/gear/17966

Nothing new except:

We also posted dozens of social media messages; Facebook and Twitter fans were able to view our location on a map and ping us with real-time questions.

Oh. Joy.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
My SE Review on This Site Is Newly Updated on 12/28/2013 20:13:01 MST Print View

It's got some stuff about use in subzero weather. Scroll down!

Also, I complain about the outdated Earthmate app and grumble about the cranky DeLorme web sites (again). I think we all should. And here's DeLorme's complaint box, if you're so inclined:

Support@delorme.com

Since they actually respond to their customers, I encourage everyone to pile on.

Joel Bach
(kneebuster) - M

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Reset sequence handy to know on the trail as well on 12/28/2013 21:15:54 MST Print View

Both reset sequences are handy to memorize. I was on a solo hike in Indian Peaks wilderness this summer and 2 miles in the inReach locked up. It was connected to my phone via Bluetooth at the time. I unfortunately didn't know the reset sequence. When I got to the camp I tried a bunch of button combinations but apparently didn't hold any of them long enough. I'm picturing my wife looking at my track and thinking I'm hurt or worse and calling in a rescue. Fortunately I forgot my small pocket knife at home. Why is that fortunate?, because I noticed before setting out on the trail and grabbed a non-ultralight multi-tool from my truck. In my tent that night, by the light of my headlamp, I did surgery on the inReach using the small philips head screwdriver on the multi-tool. I removed the back cover and disconnected the battery. When I connected it back up everything was good to go. I was able to send a message to my wife (and other emergency contacts) that I was fine. Sure, I probably voided the warranty, but I was at least 3 miles from the nearest human that night and wanted the safety net. I avoided the bluetooth connection to my phone for the rest of the trip. Once home I was able to reproduce the problem, and the subsequently discovered soft-reset sequence worked. I contacted Delorme about the problem. I haven't been able to reproduce the problem with the last 2 firmware updates.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach Hard/Soft Reset Graphic on 12/28/2013 22:12:22 MST Print View

Whenever I have a piece of gear like that and then I see a critical piece of information like Jim posted, I print it all out in color, perhaps shrunken down to where it is just readable. Then I laminate it in plastic and tape it onto the backside of the gear, just so it will always be there in a crunch.

--B.G.--

Mike Gervais
(MikeG) - M
SE - buy at $150? on 12/28/2013 23:25:44 MST Print View

I won a 50% off coupon so could land one of these for $160 shipped.

As a guy who will be doing some solo trips (and is new and inexperienced) would that be enough to make anyone here pull the trigger on this gadget?

Seems like the most recent firmware upgrades have addressed some of the more glaring problems.

It would be a no-brainer but I've been spending a lot of $$ getting geared up and starting to see the bottom of the expendable $$ bucket.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: SE - buy at $150? on 12/28/2013 23:46:15 MST Print View

Well, I suppose anyone who spent $300 for an SE would be happy to have only spent $160.

However, humans have been hiking and camping and stuff for millions of years without SEs or even Spots. And, it weighs one hundred ninety-five grams! That's a lot of grams.

Don't forget the ten dollars or so to be paid monthly for an inReach Safety subscription. Maybe you should give that coupon to someone else.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE GPS receiver... on 12/29/2013 00:20:40 MST Print View

Now that Delorme has added the "Location" option on the main menu I was finally able to test their GPS receiver. Before this option was added, I don't believe you could actually tell if you had a good GPS lock without sending a message via the Iridium Satellite network. The problem with sending your coordinates is that under tough conditions, you may not be able to connect with the Iridium birds and that would prevent you from seeing your GPS coordinates (because the track or message wouldn't be sent). Now that Delorme has allowed us to just ping the GPS satellites, the coordinate display doesn't rely on the Iridium satellites being visible.

This change has allowed me to test the GPS receiver and I'm happy to say it surpassed my expectations. I'm able to get a good satellite lock sitting inside the house at my computer (in my basement) and it provided quite an accurate set of coordinates (tested multiple times). This is pretty well equivalent to the results I would get with a High Sensitivity Garmin receiver, so this is good news!

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: DeLorme inReach SE GPS receiver... on 12/29/2013 01:27:06 MST Print View

"Before this option [location] was added, I don't believe you could actually tell if you had a good GPS lock without sending a message via the Iridium Satellite network."

In truth, Mike, you could analyze the SE's GPS performance by pairing it to a Bluetooth device (better Apple) and using either DeLorme's Earthmate app (cranky!) or a competent third-party mapping app like Gaia. Early on I got a current iPod Touch, which has a supergood hi-res display and which is happy to use the GPS feed from the SE. The short story is that the SE's GPS is all that one could want it to be. It works well in forested areas and is very accurate so far as I can tell. When turned on it locks in under a minute, usually much less.

My experience using the iPod with the SE is that it's much easier and more effective than using paper topo maps, which I've been using for about fifty years. I've been skiing complex forested backcountry terrain high in the southern Rockies this season with this combination of instruments. I can tell you that finding and staying on the correct sequence of similar looking wooded ridges is *much* easier with a competent GPS map app. Previously, luck played a significant role. I also use a baseplate compass and a sighting clinometer. Oh, yes, and an altimeter. (All by Suunto) Aneroid altimeters, kept calibrated, are much better than GPS for elevation. The GPS location on the topo display provides good elevation for calibrating.

The great drawback of using electronic gizmos for important things like route finding is the possibility of equipment failure. Of course, maps and compasses (and altimeters!) can come to grief too. So can the backcountry traveler. But then you can expire at home in bed. Also, the earth could be destroyed any minute now by a big chunk of space rock. There's an app for that.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: SE v 2.4 = good! on 01/05/2014 12:26:55 MST Print View

Finally updated to 2.4. Some stuff I noticed:

Good:

- Update worked first time, no problems

- New feature - Location (previously mentioned)

- New feature - Settings > Messages > Ring until Msg is Read (poorly described in DeLorme's announcement)

- New "features":
Settings > Tracking > Stationary Interval: 4 hours
Settings > Tracking > Stationary Radius: 100 m
You can't change these settings, but at least you can see them now.

Annoying:

- Update reset time zone to Eastern (default)

- Update reset Tracking to Off

- Update reset "Display owner info at startup" to Off

Overall, a good update so far, but I haven't taken it outside yet.

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: SE v 2.4 = good! on 01/05/2014 12:39:15 MST Print View

Besides the firmware updates, does the hardware look to be pretty durable? I mean, will this survive a three-foot drop test? Or, would I need to carry it in a bag of bubble pack?

The early GPS receivers of twenty years ago had a lot of discrete components inside, and one good drop could do major damage. However, the more modern GPS receivers have integrated most of the component functions onto one big chip, so there is much less to break. This SE product has the GPS stuff, plus the sat phone transceiver, plus other features.

How do you feel about the battery system? As I recall, there is an internal rechargeable battery.

--B.G.--

Edited by --B.G.-- on 01/05/2014 12:44:27 MST.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: SE v 2.4 = good! on 01/05/2014 18:53:09 MST Print View

Besides the firmware updates, does the hardware look to be pretty durable? I mean, will this survive a three-foot drop test? Or, would I need to carry it in a bag of bubble pack? ... How do you feel about the battery system? As I recall, there is an internal rechargeable battery.

No complaints so far. Build quality seems solid. I typically carry the SE attached to my pack on a short loop, hanging in an external mesh pocket. I drop the pack on the ground, and toss it in the back of the truck, and generally forget the SE is in there. Still works 6 months later. I wouldn't expect problems dropping the SE 3 feet onto dirt; not sure about granite or concrete.

I keep the SE on the charger when not in use. I haven't noticed any drop in battery life, but I haven't run any specific tests. My experience and other reports say 4-5 days of reasonable use; most of my trips are shorter than that, no problem so far. On longer trips, I would either scale back tracking and other use to extend battery life, or plan on some way to top up the battery as required.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: SE v 2.4 = good! on 01/05/2014 21:52:40 MST Print View

B.G.:

Here are DeLorme's specs on dust, water, shock, and battery life from the SE brochure.

• Waterproof/dustproof (IP67; standard submersion to 1 meter for 30 minutes).
• Impact-resistant (Mil-STD-810F for vibration/shock).
• 100 hours of battery life in 10-minute tracking mode with a clear view to the sky.

Seems pretty sturdy to me, but I haven't abused it (yet).

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Good Grief! on 01/05/2014 22:04:55 MST Print View

Due to inflation, the three-foot drop test has now become four feet. That's good.

I guess the small screen looks durable, as well.

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
MIL-STD-810F and IP67 claims on 01/05/2014 22:23:04 MST Print View

Quoting from Wikipedia:

MIL-STD-810 is a flexible standard that allows users to tailor test methods to fit the application. As a result, a vendor's claims of "...compliance to MIL-STD-810..." can be misleading. Because no commercial organization or agency certifies compliance, commercial vendors can create the test methods or approaches to fit their product. Suppliers can—and some do—take significant latitude with how they test their products, and how they report the test results. When queried, many manufacturers will admit no testing has actually been done and that the product is only designed/engineered/built-to comply with the standard. This is because many of the tests described can be expensive to perform and usually require special facilities. Consumers who require rugged products should verify which test methods that compliance is claimed against and which parameter limits were selected for testing.

=====

You could say the same about IP ratings like IP67 (dust tight, water resistant to 1 m for 30 min). Nobody certifies, nobody publishes their test procedures.

Having said that, the DeLorme inReach SE looks and feels pretty rugged and well-designed.

-- Rex


PS - MIL-STD-810G superseded MIL-STD-810F on October 31, 2008.

Edited by Rex on 01/05/2014 22:23:39 MST.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: MIL-STD-810F and IP67 claims on 01/05/2014 22:30:22 MST Print View

"the product is only designed/engineered/built-to comply with the standard"

I understand that extremely well.

Thanks for the information, guys. I'm thinking of purchasing one of these before the summer backpacking season.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE... on 01/06/2014 00:50:49 MST Print View

@Bob

I agree that the inReach SE seems to be built well but it's hard plastic, so a drop on the rocks might damage it. Delorme sells a neoprene case that would really help it survive a drop (and it's supposed to make it float). I'll probably pick up a case for mine but it's for the floatation, not a durability concern (I carry it when fishing).

As others have said, the battery life is pretty good but I think the 100 hours claimed by Delorme is a bit high. I have been surprised to find that the battery holds it's charge very well while "not" on a charger. The charge only drops a couple of percent after a couple of weeks of sitting in a drawer.

I carry a tiny charger that I found at Walmart just in case I kill the battery. The charger is inexpensive, very small and light but can bump the charge of the inReach battery up a reasonable amount if required (not a full charge though). The battery life of the inReach is really quite good and can be managed by sending fewer tracks and messages for longer trips however, I'm more worried about leaving the inReach powered on accidentally. I've done that several times. When the inReach "sleeps" it doesn't have any lights on at all so it looks like it's turned off.

Edited by skopeo on 01/06/2014 00:52:03 MST.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach SE... on 01/06/2014 14:21:52 MST Print View

The neoprene case is pretty, but it is also too heavy. I think wrapping the unit in a bubble pack bag would be sufficient.

--B.G.--

Adrien Baker
(AdrienBaker) - F - M

Locale: Kern County
Re: Re: MIL-STD-810F and IP67 claims on 01/06/2014 17:17:59 MST Print View

Bob,

If you stumble across a good deal on these please share. I too am looking to buy one for this season.

Adrien

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: MIL-STD-810F and IP67 claims on 01/06/2014 17:39:17 MST Print View

So far, all I have seen is $272 at Amazon.com

What I would really like if there was some special deal on the sat service rates. That will end up being the majority of the overall cost.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
SE Deals on 01/06/2014 19:09:54 MST Print View

"What I would really like if there was some special deal on the sat service rates. That will end up being the majority of the overall cost."

You just missed, Bob. DeLorme was offering the first two service months free for sales during Nov and Dec. Why don't you call them and beg for mercy? They did this before. June and July sported the same offer. They will probably offer it again.

Depending on your intentions, the Safety plan at ~$10/mo is probably adequate. If you're chatty, maybe not.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 19:15:53 MST Print View

Jim, I don't want it now. I don't want it before summer backpacking season. Besides, if I wait until they there may be more firmware updates that I won't have to do.

--B.G.--

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 19:19:04 MST Print View

--B.G.-- :-) we know down deep you want one :-)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 19:37:30 MST Print View

Dan, I don't want one now, mostly because I don't want to turn on the meter.

First, I think we ought to develop some kind of text-shorthand so that we can minimize the length of the satellite messages and still get our meaning across. We don't want to make it too cryptic, because then the rescue agencies won't know what the hell we mean. They should not have to read my mind during an emergency.

1. Broken right leg, can't walk, need helicopter evacuation.
2. Brkn rt leg, cant walk, need helo evac.
3. B&@) ** leg #Pp 66, help!

When the SOS message is sent, it is sent with the GPS coordinates. What is the default format of the GPS coordinates? Lat/long degrees and decimal degrees, or what?

--B.G.--

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Re: Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 19:44:43 MST Print View

Bob....easy peasy.....sos... dying, need help now!!!

Worry about the consequences, if any after they arrive :-)

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
SOS Coords on 01/06/2014 19:53:30 MST Print View

"When the SOS message is sent, it is sent with the GPS coordinates. What is the default format of the GPS coordinates? Lat/long degrees and decimal degrees, or what?"

All SOS messages are sent to GEOS. Presumably they get what they want and can use. Presumably, GEOS can use any specified type of geo-coordinates. They serve a number of different emergency communication services.

But, not to be too coy, I looked at a bunch of messages (non-SOS) I sent from the SE, and they are all in decimal degrees. The nice thing about Lat/Long coords is that they are not opaque like the various grid coordinate systems. For me, anyway.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Coords options on 01/06/2014 19:55:00 MST Print View

The two options are lat/long vs a variant of UTM.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 20:00:38 MST Print View

Apparently one of the reasons why the rescue agencies like two-way text like this is so they can interrogate the victim a little to determine that it is not a false alarm, and to verify the position against the GPS coordinates. They can also get a feel for how urgent the emergency is. If they have to keep flying county helicopters with medics all over, it gets very expensive.

More likely how I could see one of these getting use is if I were entering through the Sierra Nevada crest at some point, heading north for five days, and then exiting out to some trailhead where I have a friend arranged to pick me up. Then suppose I have some minor emergency after only two days, so I need to exit early to a different place, and I need to arrange for my friend to change place and schedule. It would be nice to be able to send a text message (by this gadget).

Or, suppose I was thru-hiking some long trail and I have arranged for a friend to "walk-in" a major food supply to me on a certain date. Then I might need to change the date or get the friend to bring in an extra dose of olive oil or something. This gadget could be handy, even if the messages are very short.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: SOS Coords on 01/06/2014 20:07:57 MST Print View

"The nice thing about Lat/Long coords is that they are not opaque like the various grid coordinate systems."

Jim, what do you mean by _opaque_ here? Please clarify.

Degrees and decimal degrees would be good. It is something simple enough so that if I had to manually pick off my position from a map and send it as text, they can make sense out of it.

Forty-odd years ago I was using the Military Grid Reference System, so I can convert from just about anything to anything.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: SOS Coords on 01/06/2014 21:10:40 MST Print View

"Jim, what do you mean by _opaque_ here? Please clarify."

I, among many others, know how lat and long map onto the globe. Just seeing lat/long coords gives me a sense of where in the world the coords lie. UTM and its variants and the other rectangular grid systems do not do this. You have to have a map with that specific piece of the grid system marked on it to have the slightest idea of the place where the coords refer.

Twenty-three and a half degrees either side of the equator (zero degrees lat) constitute the Tropics. The Arctic and Antarctic regions lie within twenty-three and a half degrees of the poles (+/- ninety degrees lat). Every fifteen degrees of Longitude represents and hour of time, . . . and so on. You don't get *any* of that with the grid systems. They have their virtues, but geographic transparency is not one of them.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE on 01/06/2014 22:19:10 MST Print View

@Bob - I use the inReach very much as you have described. I don't always know when I will stay longer or if I plan to bail early, so it's nice to have an option to let others know your plans or call for a ride at a new pickup point. Being able to get confirmation is a big plus to me. I have also used it to let my backpacking partner know where will camp for the night so they can join me on the trail. If you use the Earthmate App on a smart phone, they have a feature that allows you to pick a reference point on the map (a point that is not your current location) and send the reference point coordinates in an email. This is a great feature for identifying a unexpected pickup point.

I also don't think you need to abbreviate your messages (other than for convenience... typing on that on-screen keyboard is painfully slow!). You can send up to 160 characters and you are charged per message, regardless of the number of characters you type.

From what I've read, when you send an SOS message with the inReach, it will prompt you for confirmation that you really want to send an emergency message. If yes, you will get a pre-defined message on your screen that requests help and you can alter the messsage however you like. When you hit "send" it will count down for 20 seconds before sending. This is presumably to allow you to hit cancel. Once the message is sent, the unit's tracking is locked on (you can't turn it off). When your message is received, you will be sent a message confirming that your request was received and help is on the way. That's a really nice feature that Spots and PLB's don't have.

As for the service plans, you can suspend your service when you are not using the device and it only costs you $4 per month to keep your account active. This feature makes the plans affordable in IMO. In Canada, we have a different service plan than in the USA. We get a pay-as-you go service. It's not well advertised, but if I switch to the Expedition Plan for a week and then suspend my service, I am only charged for the week of usage (they pro-rate the monthly cost). I have just tried this and haven't seen the bill yet, so we'll see if it's as good as it sounds.

Edited by skopeo on 01/06/2014 22:21:02 MST.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 23:24:21 MST Print View

I don't want one now, mostly because I don't want to turn on the meter.

Buy now, turn on the meter later. You activate through https://explore.delorme.com when you are ready.

Be sure to put it where it won't tempt you :-)

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach SE on 01/06/2014 23:34:31 MST Print View

"If you use the Earthmate App on a smart phone, they have a feature that allows you to pick a reference point"

No, I don't use a smart phone, so no Earthmate App. I don't need any of that stuff to send a manual reference point by text.

"You can send up to 160 characters and you are charged per message, regardless of the number of characters you type."

If you can't condense your overall message, then it might take several messages to get the whole thing sent. So, being able to condense a 500 character text down into 160 characters might be a good thing.

"Once the message is sent, the unit's tracking is locked on (you can't turn it off)."

Yes, but you can sure as hell kill the tracking signal from getting out. Stick it inside a cook pot with the lid on.

"suspend your service"

It goes against my nature to pay somebody $4 per month for nothing.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SE Deals on 01/06/2014 23:38:20 MST Print View

"Buy now, turn on the meter later. You activate through https://explore.delorme.com when you are ready."

Too bad you can't purchase one pre-activated like a disposable cell phone.

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Label with soft reset instructions on 01/07/2014 00:11:36 MST Print View

Reset label on DeLorme inReach SE

Just barely fits using a Brother P-touch labeler, Small text setting, and some abbreviation.

-- Rex

Jeremy B.
(requiem) - F - M

Locale: Northern California
Re: Re: Re: SOS Coords on 01/07/2014 00:14:24 MST Print View

You have to have a map with that specific piece of the grid system marked on it to have the slightest idea of the place where the coords refer.

Ah, you must have run across abbreviated coordinates. A full UTM or MGRS coordinate is relatively easy to place on the globe: the first part identifies one of 60 longitudinal zones (6 degrees wide) counting east from the IDL, and 20 zones between the polar regions (8 degrees tall; -80 to +84 degrees)*.

E.g. London sits at the eastern edge of zone 30U (fairly far North; only the very northernmost bits of the continental U.S. reach the U band). Most of the U.S. is largely in the S and T bands, which coincidentally divide very close to the Mason-Dixon line.

Another example is "11S 384409 4048901" for Mount Whitney: 11S says Nevada or SoCal, the northing says ~4049 klicks north of the equator, and the easting says about 115 km east of the zone center ().


*Yes, there are small quirks designed to ease use/reduce chance of error: no zones I or O, and an extra 4 degrees to zone X.

Edited by requiem on 01/07/2014 00:58:01 MST.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach SE... on 01/07/2014 00:54:34 MST Print View

>> It goes against my nature to pay somebody $4 per month for nothing. <<

The $4 per month gets you your own web map, online storage of all your contacts, pre-composed messages, downloadable tracks and way-points and saves you paying the activation fee (if you cancel and then re-activate).

However, if none of that interests you then maybe you should stick with a PLB. There's no free ride.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Opacity vs Transparency of Coords on 01/07/2014 11:05:46 MST Print View

"Ah, you must have run across abbreviated coordinates ... "

I believe you made my case by describing the mental arithmetic and things you have to remember to get back to the almost universally familiar Lat/Long system. We talk about "high latitudes" not Zone U, &c.

Yes, if the ancient Grecians (as someone, I forget who, would have it) had invented UTM, things would be different, and we would be griping about the new-fangled Lat/Long system. How stupid! A degree of Longitude changes as you move north or south! And Latitude too, but not as much!

Personally, I prefer decimal degrees because base sixty arithmetic is harder than decimal arithmetic. But, strangely, for time I go with hours, minutes, and seconds, just like everyone else.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: inReach SE on 01/07/2014 11:20:07 MST Print View

["Once the message is sent, the unit's tracking is locked on (you can't turn it off)."

Yes, but you can sure as hell kill the tracking signal from getting out. Stick it inside a cook pot with the lid on.]

Bob, you're just being irritable. The message in question is an SOS. Why would anyone, even you, want to stifle tracking when they want rescuing?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: inReach SE on 01/07/2014 12:47:56 MST Print View

I realize that it would be difficult to push the button by accident. However, if a hiking partner grabbed it and pushed the button to play an awful joke, I would want to know how to shut it off.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach SE... on 01/07/2014 13:17:42 MST Print View

"However, if none of that interests you then maybe you should stick with a PLB."

I'm not aware that a PLB can do two-way text messages.

It is easier to store waypoints on a GPS receiver, then transfer those to any map once home again.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE on 01/07/2014 13:48:30 MST Print View

>> It is easier to store waypoints on a GPS receiver, then transfer those to any map once home again <<

Ahhh, but that would mean you'd have to carry a GPS receiver! I can leave the extra weight (of the GPS) behind and I don't even have to plug my inReach into my computer to get the coordinates... I just click download and they are ready to go!

And if a buddy of mine hit the SOS button as a gag, it wouldn't be a false alarm... I'd make sure he needed assistance to get out... :)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: DeLorme inReach SE on 01/07/2014 14:02:58 MST Print View

Mike, I carry a tiny GPS receiver since I don't carry a smart phone. Besides, for the Inreach or for a GPS receiver, I would expect to power it up once per day or less.

I really don't see the sense in having all of these multiple electronic gadgets running all of the time and using battery power.

I'm out there to commune with nature, not to increase my Facebook likes.

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Review on "Field & Stream" on 01/21/2014 00:09:59 MST Print View

Pretty good review of the DeLorme inReach SE on "Field & Stream" http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/flytalk/2014/01/gear-review-delorme-inreach-se-2-way-satellite-communicator-gps

I was deeply impressed by how inReach performed.

It's dustproof and waterproof to 1 meter (I actually dunked in in the river and let it soak for several minutes to test this).

I had a strong signal every time I tried the device, wherever I was.

Yet, for the sake of safety, peace of mind for you and others, and knowing you can reach out if and when you want to, wherever you are in the world, the inReach SE is well worth the money and I highly recommend it.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Been Using the SE Several Times a Week Lately on 02/12/2014 20:11:56 MST Print View

I go on lots of solo backcountry ski outings in the high Rockies. My main item of safety gear is a brain experienced in these matters. This brain is backed up by the SE. After eight months of use, I have a good working relationship with the device. Setting out, I send a Preset message to some friends and relations who care about me, which says I'm setting out. On return, I send the second Preset message to the same people, which says I've returned. If I decide to do something about which I have any significant doubt (this is pretty rare), I send the third Preset message, which says I'm about to do something "interesting". All inReach messages automatically include geo-coords. If any of my minders question my welfare, they can ping me or send me a message. So far, this hasn't been necessary. They confirm, though, that they are getting all the messages I send.

Usually I turn on tracking. For a while, I was not using the tracking function, and I noticed that the times shown for the messages sent had the day of week and time of day but not the date. Then, when I sent a tracking point, the complete time information suddenly appeared for all the messages. Weird software glitch.

I have also been pairing the SE with an iPod Touch for mapping. I much prefer using Gaia over DeLorme's Earthmate. I download the USGS topos and aerial photos for the region I'm in. The display is super-good. This beats paper maps all to heck. There are drawbacks, however. The iPod needs to be kept reasonably warm, so I keep it in a pants pocket when not using it. Also, it's called iPod Touch because it has a touch screen, and that requires bare and warm fingers. In very cold weather a touch screen is not so wonderful. The SE's four-way rocker and buttons can be operated with gloves on. The SE has functioned fully in sub-zero weather while tethered in an upper pouch on my backpack.

A day's skiing usually draws down the SE's battery to 94%, and that's with Bluetooth pairing. The iPod doesn't show percent battery, but normally it looks like no more than ten percent or so is used. Battery use depends mostly on how long the display is on. I keep it fully bright because there's a lot of daylight out there in the snow.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/13/2014 15:29:07 MST Print View

Just saw this, the new "Freedom" plans:

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/freedom/index.php

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/13/2014 15:43:04 MST Print View

James, very interesting. Is this good or bad?

--B.G.--

Manfred Kopisch
(Orienteering) - F
Re: Re: inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/13/2014 20:11:59 MST Print View

Bob,

Of course it depends on your individual usage pattern.

Here is my current minimum usage (4 month commitment):

4 months of Recreational Plan (Mid May to Mid September): 4 * $39.95 = $159.80

In the future the same would cost me $24.95 + 4 * $34.95 = $164.75

So the new plan would be slightly more expensive, if you use it exactly 4 months. If you use it for 5 months you break even. If you use it for six or seven you are better off. Starting at 8 months you are better off with the annual plan anyways.

The main advantage is that you can now suspend it anytime and don't need to wait for 4 months to suspend. For example this summer my wife and I will go with our daughters on a circumnavigation of the whole US via train. I think I will suspend the plan during that time. That will right away make it cheaper for me than in the past.

Best Regards,

Manfred

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
inReach Service Plans... on 02/13/2014 21:55:25 MST Print View

That's interesting, I didn't realize that InReach USA only offered yearly plans (until now).

InReach Canada doesn't have yearly plans, only month to month. In fact, InReach Canada actually has true "Pay as You Go" plans. It's not well advertised (I had it explained to me by one of their service reps). I can move up to any plan I like, use it for a week and then suspend it and I only pay a pro-rated charge for the week that I used it, I don't have to pay the monthly fee. So I suspend mine ($4/month) when not in use and when I need it, I sign up for the Expedition Plan and suspend it right after my trip and only pay a portion of the monthly charge. Let's hope it stays that way as it makes it quite economical.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/13/2014 21:58:33 MST Print View

The new Safety Plan has some interesting price changes:

Annual monthly cost: $11.95 was $9.95

Predefined messages - Unlimited, was $1.50 each over the bundled 10 messages

Messages $0.50 each, was $1.50 each over the bundled 10 messages

Tracking Points $0.10 each, was $0.25

Also, the old Seasonal plans have lots of rules about months, automatic reactivations, deactivation charges, and other stuff that confused and enraged customers. The new "activate when you need it" system is much simpler.

Notice the asterisks on their claims that "No Other Satellite Communicator Can Deliver This Message* - No Contract Required*".

The Yellowbrick 3 does not require a contract.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/15/2014 20:23:47 MST Print View

Just saw this, the new "Freedom" plans:

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/freedom/index.php

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/15/2014 20:58:41 MST Print View

It's like deja vu all over again.....

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: inReach Month by Month, Coming Mid-March on 02/15/2014 21:04:36 MST Print View

I'm innocent!

Will Webster
(WillWeb) - M
New Annual Plans on 02/22/2014 07:59:57 MST Print View

I just got an Inreach SE and need to activate it in the next couple of weeks. It looks like the new $12 Safety Plan with unlimited predefined messages and $.50 overage is the one I want. Does anyone know what will happen with existing Annual Plans when the new plans roll out next month? I asked Delorme by email and they basically just repeated what's on the website: Seasonal Plans will turn into Freedom Plans. Still unclear about Annual Plans.

Edit: Here's what I got from Delorme when I asked for clarification:
"Actually with the Annual Safety Plan in place before the roll out of the Freedom Plans you would be grandfathered in and keep the price you were paying before the roll out of the Freedom Plan."
I've asked for a re-clarification as to whether I'll also be grandfathered in to the old features of the Annual Safety Plan.

Edit 2:
Looks like existing Annual Plans will turn into the new Annual Plans, but at the OLD PRICE!
"Even with the current plan you would still have unlimited preset messages just as the plans going forward. Those messages are ones that you compose and save to the SE before you leave for your trip, you are able to send those as frequently as you would like or need. The Freedom Plans are scheduled to be active by mid March until that time you would need to choose a plan that fits your needs for your trip. I cannot guarantee that the plans will be ready for your trip. Once you have a plan in place it is a very simple matter to make a change to your account and swap you to another plan. All of our seasonal plan will automatically be placed into Freedom Plans. I do not have a plan that will automatically swap you over to the Freedom Plan with the Safety Plan already in place. You will still get all of the benefits of the Freedom Plan when it becomes active, it is just your cost that would remain the same. "

Edited by WillWeb on 02/25/2014 09:51:42 MST.

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
Syncing on 03/01/2014 13:52:49 MST Print View

Mine was doing fine syncing new contact information, but now seems to be not working...I'm on Apple and it says the safari can't use the link because the "address is not valid" now.
Hmmm, guess I will try again tomorrow.. So far everything else is working great! I've been able to use the InReach while hiking even in heavy cloud cover. Messages are very fast.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Syncing on 03/01/2014 15:25:12 MST Print View

Same here Drusilla. I updated the inReach SE a couple of days ago, and now syncing is broken! :-(

And I was trying to update messages before my trip tomorrow, but it ain't gonna happen. I hate it when updates break stuff!

Edit to add: I'm also on a Mac.

Edited by idester on 03/01/2014 15:25:43 MST.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Syncing on 03/01/2014 18:16:20 MST Print View

If your sync on the Mac problem is the same as mine was, the fix below may help. With the update, synching is much better. You can see my Mac error message at the bottom.

Casey A. via sendgrid.info
Feb 19 (10 days ago)

to me

Hello Jim,

I apologize for the delay in response to your email. To correct this behavior you must delete the file it is referencing, however this is a hidden file. To access hidden files please follow the instructions below.

To view hidden folders:
Open the Terminal (located in /Applications/Utilities/)
At the command prompt type defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true
Press return to execute the command.
For the changes to take effect, either log out then log back in again, or relaunch Finder (this can be done from the Force Quit Window or by typing 'killall Finder' in a Terminal window).
Once you have enabled hidden folders to be viewed, browse to the file location referenced in the error you received and delete the file. This should allow you to Sync the device now without issue. Please let me know if you have any further trouble.

Regards,

Casey A
DeLorme Customer Care
Phone: (800) 511-2459 or Internationally at (207) 847-1165
Many answers can be found at our on-line knowledge base within the link below.
http://support.delorme.com
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On Thur, 13th Feb 2014 at 5:11 pm, Jim Milstein <6wayxing@gmail.com> wrote:
I saw that an update for the SE is available. Your site said I needed to install a new inReach Sync , which I did, and now I get this error message:

Error launching inReach Sync:
Unrecognized element: userSettings (/Users/6wayxing/.local/share/inReach Sync.exe_Url_50c81f98e9eb1a9c52a83b1d3d25f899835f665e/user.config line 6)

I have downloaded the inReach Syn pkg twice and installed it, with the same result.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Syncing on 03/01/2014 19:33:53 MST Print View

Thanks Jim, I found the same fix earlier. Instead of mucking about in Terminal I downloaded a program called InVisible which allows you to turn on/off showing hidden files from a menu in the top menu bar. Works like a charm, and resets the Finder for you.

After deleting the file I've not had any problems synching the SE.

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
Thanks guys on 03/03/2014 06:47:17 MST Print View

Thanks guys.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Old Plans to Be Grandfathered w/o New Plan Terms on 03/04/2014 10:58:12 MST Print View

I just spoke to John at DeLorme Customer Support and he said that the old annual plans would be honored at the old rates and with their old terms. So, if you have the Safety Plan at $9.95/mo, it would continue at that rate, but you would not get unlimited Preset Messages. I love Preset Messages; therefore, I'm going to switch from the Recreation Plan (which has unlimited Preset Messages) to the new Safety Plan (which will have unlimited Preset Messages), as soon as it becomes available.

DeLorme does not know exactly when the new plans will be available, beyond saying "mid-March". When they are available, DeLorme will be coy about announcing their availability in order to work out the bugs, John said. Perhaps they have taken a lesson from the woes of the Obamacare Exchange web sites.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/16/2014 20:09:10 MDT Print View

Just saw it on the Delorme web site.

The new terms for the Safety Plan make it very useful. The plan provides unlimited Preset Messages. Too bad they only allow three different ones; how about seven? Tracking points or pings are a dime each. Ten free-form messages in or out per month are included, additional messages half a buck.

Sign me up!

Edited by JimSubzero on 03/16/2014 20:10:43 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: Syncing on 03/16/2014 20:26:45 MDT Print View

Error launching inReach Sync:
Unrecognized element: userSettings (/Users/6wayxing/.local/share/inReach Sync.exe_Url_50c81f98e9eb1a9c52a83b1d3d25f899835f665e/user.config line 6)


I recalled Jim's post after encountering the same problem. I figured out a different fix.

I found the file using Terminal and this command line:

open '/Users/rex/.local/share/inReach Sync.exe_Url_50c81f98e9eb1a9c52a83b1d3d25f234135f665e/user.config'

(Copy and paste the line from your error message, everyone's is unique)

For most people, this will open 'user.config' in TextEdit. It's a small XML file.

Removed line 6:

<userSettings />

and save the file.

I used TextWrangler (free download), but TextEdit works too.

The "Unrecognized element" bug means someone at DeLorme can't program their way out of a paper bag. The whole point of using XML is to be able to ignore unrecognized elements. Sheesh!

Just took another look at user.config post-sync: that same line 6 is back again.

So I tried syncing, same old error message shows up.

This seems to be a recurring bug. Be prepared to remove or edit that file for each sync until DeLorme fixes the problem.

Shortcut to remove the file instead of edit: Open Terminal, use copy and paste (or very careful typing), to do this:

rm '/Users/rex/.local/share/inReach Sync.exe_Url_50c81f98e9eb1a9c52a83b1d3d25f234135f665e/user.config'

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 03/16/2014 20:28:15 MDT.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Syncing - Rex on 03/16/2014 20:37:42 MDT Print View

Rex,

Try just deleting the file instead of trying to edit it. I was able to sync mine after doing so, then went on a trip and put the SE back in a drawer when I got back. After reading your post, tried syncing just now to see if I'd have the problem reoccur, and it did not. It synched without issue.

So perhaps deleting the file takes care of the problem.

Doug

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Syncing - Rex on 03/16/2014 20:42:45 MDT Print View

Doug,

Right you are. I was trying too hard, just removing the file enables future syncs to go smoothly.

Grumble.

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Syncing on 03/16/2014 21:31:56 MDT Print View

Grumble, grumble.

I not make the inreach sync work at all on Day One or Day Two.

On Day Two, I had it very deep in a redwood forest with very high canopy and very thick. I really could not see much sky. Needless to say, inreach could not get a GPS fix. That didn't surprise me too much. I don't think any normal GPS receiver would have worked in the same place. To get out from under the canopy, it would have been a couple of miles of hoofing it, so it was a good thing that I didn't need to send SOS or call in an air strike.

We will see what Delorme tech support has to say about the sync issue.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/16/2014 21:36:10 MDT Print View

"The new terms for the Safety Plan make it very useful. The plan provides unlimited Preset Messages."

Jim, how do you interpret those words?

One way would mean that you can send a thousand messages per month if they are all preset messages.

Another way would mean that you still get only ten free messages per month, and the ten can be either free-form or preset.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: DeLorme inReach SE on 03/17/2014 00:07:55 MDT Print View

For what it's worth, I sent a first test message to Delorme. It got the message immediately and responded.

On their web site, I looked at the map to see where it determined my position to be (in the lawn outside my place), and their arrow marked the spot. I estimated that my true position was about one meter to the west. I guess that is close enough for search and rescue purposes.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
DeLorme inReach SE announced, ships mid to late April on 03/17/2014 01:26:16 MDT Print View

>> I don't think any normal GPS receiver would have worked in the same place. <<

I've used my Garmin (Etrex 20) to try to confirm the accuracy of the tracks on my inReach and would agree... they are equally inaccurate :)

Edit: Bob, I'm glad to hear you have an inReach, I'll be interested to hear your comments long-term. (I'm still liking mine!)

Edited by skopeo on 03/17/2014 01:27:48 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 09:35:52 MDT Print View

"Jim, how do you interpret those words?

One way would mean that you can send a thousand messages per month if they are all preset messages.

Another way would mean that you still get only ten free messages per month, and the ten can be either free-form or preset."

Your second interpretation is the current policy. The first interpretation is the new policy. Since I send almost exclusively Preset Messages, the new policy pleases me. With the new policy, Presets function as free manual tracking points.

Dropping the cost of free-form messages (in or out) from $1.50 to $0.50 also pleases me. These changes are well worth the two dollar a month increase.

Earthmate is nearly useless except for composing messages. DeLorme should start over with Earthmate. Same goes for their Explore and Share web pages. Otherwise, I love having and using the SE.

Regarding satellite communication under adverse conditions, I am surprised that the SE, deep inside my vehicle and inside my pack, gets good GPS position and can also communicate with the Ir satellites. In Colorado we just do not have forest canopies like the west coast, and besides all our old sub-alpine spruce forests are dead or dying! (I blame the Texans. Just as when something goes wrong with your computer the first thing you do is reboot, in Colorado when something goes wrong we blame the Texans.)

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 09:58:38 MDT Print View

"Regarding satellite communication under adverse conditions, I am surprised that the SE, deep inside my vehicle and inside my pack, gets good GPS position and can also communicate with the Ir satellites."

I've been impressed as well. While snowshoeing on Lake Superior during a snow storm - completely cloud covered sky and snowing hard enough to limit our sight to about 100 yards, the SE kept on sending signals and receiving text messages. Sent and received text messages that night from inside my shelter (Ultamid, not an aluminized cuben version.... :-), and it tracked me well through the forest we snowshoed in the next day on top of the cliffs. I've been quite impressed so far.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 10:57:34 MDT Print View

"Your second interpretation is the current policy. The first interpretation is the new policy."

Jim, I think that you want to get confirmation of that.

--B.G.--

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 11:52:29 MDT Print View

"Jim, I think that you want to get confirmation of that."

No need, really. And it's not really new policy depending on the plan you have.

I have the recreation plan, which means I get 40 text (free-form) messages per month, and unlimited free preset messages. The preset messages are not counted against my 40 regular messages. They're even divided out on my monthly summary on explore.delorme.com, so I see how many of each I've used.

A couple of points to remember - you can't edit preset messages on the device in the field (nor through the Earthmate app), nor can you change who the preset messages are sent to in the field. The preset messages, including who they are sent to, must be set up/typed on your computer and synched to your device. Currently, you can only change them, including the address field, on your computer.

You can send a preset message to a bunch of people (I don't know if there's a limit to the address list), and it still only counts as one preset message (though with unlimited messages it doesn't really matter, I guess).

If someone responds to you from a preset message, that goes against your free form message allotment (both incoming and outgoing free form messages count against your allotment).

Tracking information is sent with each preset message, and it doesn't count against your tracking allotment (if you don't have a plan with unlimited tracks).

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 12:14:41 MDT Print View

from Delorme

This is hard to misinterpret.

--B.G.--

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 12:17:12 MDT Print View

"This is hard to misinterpret."

I agree. Not sure what your point is, though. Everything I said in my post above yours is correct as well. It all depends on the plan.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 12:22:44 MDT Print View

Everything Doug says is true. Well, everything in his previous note.

I, too, have the Recreation Plan, and I will downgrade to the Safety Plan on the stroke of March 25. Just talked to Scott at DeLorme Support and found that one need not wait forever on telephone hold to do this. You can email Support with your subscription order.

For those of us who like and use Preset Messages, it would be good to have more than three available. I asked Scott to regard this as a formal user suggestion. (I am very formal) He seemed to be making a note of it. It only takes two digital bits of information to specify which of three Preset Messages (even four!) you want via Ir sat system. The dispatch of a Preset Message takes place on the Intertubes and SMS, where the marginal cost is just about zero. To specify eight Presets only takes one bit more. How about it DeLorme? Just a tiny little bit more!

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 12:22:49 MDT Print View

""This is hard to misinterpret.""

Ah, I see you're talking about the Safety Plan specifically. The chart on one page differs from the chart on the other. 'Tis a tad confusing for that plan.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 12:37:25 MDT Print View

"Ah, I see you're talking about the Safety Plan specifically. The chart on one page differs from the chart on the other. 'Tis a tad confusing for that plan."

I think that is part of the problem. Delorme writes stuff as if they know exactly what they mean, but that doesn't mean that the reader will understand the contradictions and confusions and changes.

Basically, I think we users are all trying to get the most service for our service dollar. To do that, you really need to know what the service rules are.

OTOH, Delorme is probably in the business of giving the most perceived service for the least amount of Iridium time. Since preset messages can transfer very quickly, they might be wanting to promote that.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Plans Not for Mid-March, but March 25 on 03/17/2014 12:40:56 MDT Print View

BG, I think grumpiness is getting in the way of reading comprehension. Wait! It's Rex who's grumpy.

Never mind.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/19/2014 09:37:35 MDT Print View

I'm planning an 8-day trip without resupply, which is a few days longer than the internal battery on an inReach SE will last.

So I bought an Energizer Instant Charger PP-3AAMC, currently on sale at Best Buy for $10. $10 is not much more than the retail price of the three Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA batteries included with the charger. The charger with batteries is 89 grams on my scale.

I ran down the inReach SE internal battery to 0%, turned on the charger (a blue LED lights up), plugged the charger into the inReach SE, and waited.

You can push the on/off button on the inReach SE to see charge level and "Time to 100%" if the inReach SE is turned off.

Here's what I saw:

Start - 0% charge, Time to 100%: 212 minutes

1 hour later - 44% charge, Time to 100%: 500 minutes

2 hours later - 44% charge, Time to 100%: 0 minutes

10 hours later - 49% charge. Blue LED on the charger is off.
When I pressed the power button on the charger, the blue LED came back on, and the inReach SE showed it was charging again.

My conclusions:

- Most of the charging happened in the first hour.

- The "Time to 100%" report is unreliable.

- You can get about 49% charge of the inReach SE out of one set of three Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA batteries (44 grams total) using this charger. Since I get about 5 days use from a 100% charged inReach SE, one set of batteries will add about 2-3 days.

I was hoping to get a full charge out of three batteries, which have a combined capacity of almost 9000 milliamp-hours. Either the inReach SE has a much bigger battery (and takes more power) than I expected, or the charger is very inefficient.

Not sure I can get 8 days with a fully charged inReach SE, charger, and one set of AA batteries.

Time to experiment with reducing power usage on the inReach SE to extend battery life.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/19/2014 10:42:15 MDT Print View

Interesting results, Rex. However, running the SE's battery down to zero is probably not good for it. Have you tried recharging normally since the Energizer experiment?

In the field, I would advise topping up the SE's battery nightly, a gentler approach.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/19/2014 14:05:38 MDT Print View

Is it necessary to run the inReach SE day and night continuously? It seems that you could easily stretch the battery life by two by simply switching it off when you make camp in the evening and switching it back on in the morning.

I'm thinking that a 4-cell recharger would work more predictably than a 3-cell recharger.

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/20/2014 23:01:46 MDT Print View

Jim writes:
However, running the SE's battery down to zero is probably not good for it. Have you tried recharging normally since the Energizer experiment?

The inReach SE never got all the way to 0% in real life. The unit shuts itself off at some minimum charge; you can power on, and after booting, it says it doesn't have very much charge left and shut itself down again. That tells me there is still some charge left in the battery. Lithium polymer batteries do OK will full discharge cycles, but I wouldn't leave it fully discharged for extended periods. I keep mine on the charger between trips.

I've recharged normally since the experiment, but don't have any experience with battery life since then.

In the field, I would advise topping up the SE's battery nightly, a gentler approach.

You are probably right, but I worry about not knowing how much juice I have left in the Energizer charger.

--B.G.-- writes:
Is it necessary to run the inReach SE day and night continuously? It seems that you could easily stretch the battery life by two by simply switching it off when you make camp in the evening and switching it back on in the morning.

Turning off the inReach SE at night will stretch battery life, but not by a factor of two. The unit goes to sleep after detecting no movement for 4 hours or 100 meters, and a power-on boot cycle seems to use about 1% of charge. Lots of settings and practices to play with to extend battery life: Bluetooth off, extended tracking interval (or no tracking), reduced screen brightness, sounds off, good sky view, turning the unit off at night, etc.

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/20/2014 23:21:13 MDT Print View

Rex, by turning it off at night, you would be shutting down the GPS receiver plus the "incoming text message checker" so that nobody can send you anything in the middle of the night.

I figure that I'm not going to do anything about it during the middle of the night, anyway, so I might as well shut it down. I would probably sleep better that way.

Incidentally, it seems as though Best Buy was sold out by the time I got there. I may just craft up my own charger out of an old micro USB connector and batteries. Maybe I could past a Duracell sticker on the outside for good measure.

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/21/2014 00:06:11 MDT Print View

Incidentally, it seems as though Best Buy was sold out by the time I got there.

I got the same runaround at my local Best Buy, including a claim that the product had been discontinued. Reminded me of the stellar service I experienced at Circuit City.

I used the same solution: I drove home and ordered it through their web site, received it two days later. Still available on bestbuy.com.

However, looks like Energizer truly has dropped the PP-3AAMC, and they don't have a similar product available. Get em while you can. The Best Buy price, even with shipping, is half of other sources I found.

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/21/2014 13:27:43 MDT Print View

"Reminded me of the stellar service I experienced at Circuit City."

When I walked into the Best Buy store, I had a sheet in my hands with the charger information, SKU number, photo, etc. I halted about ten feet inside the doorway and stared up at the huge room, looking for Energizer signs or something.

There was a small cluster of twenty-something employees chit-chatting at a nearby counter. They ignored me. So, I stood there scanning back and forth across the room. Nobody blinked. I took a couple of steps their way and then halted again. Still, they were too busy to help a customer.

I wandered up and down the aisles until I found Engergizer everything else. There were none of these chargers. Oh, well.

Yes, the online ordering works.

I will return to the Best Buy store in two months and see how many of the twenty-somethings are still employed.

--B.G.--

William Wang
(billwang) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
Recharging inReach SE with Energizer PP-3AAMC on 03/21/2014 14:16:31 MDT Print View

I just ordered a few from Bestbuy.com. Now I'm hoping they'll work! I have a new Delorme SE that i've not yet activated since I'm waiting for the new monthly plan to so some testing. - Bill

Jeff McWilliams
(jjmcwill) - M

Locale: Midwest
Facebook updates on 03/22/2014 19:26:21 MDT Print View

Can you send updates to Facebook with the InReach?

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
Yes on 03/22/2014 21:47:09 MDT Print View

Yes, Facebook, Twitter and MapShare.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Extending inReach SE battery life on 03/25/2014 00:32:13 MDT Print View

I wrote:
I'm planning an 8-day trip without resupply, which is a few days longer than the internal battery on an inReach SE will last.

My previous multi-day tests were on a long road trip, where the inReach was in the back of my truck, with most features turned on for maximum battery consumption. I got about 5 days per charge.

Sunday, I ran a different test, trying to extend battery life.

I went through all the settings to maximize battery life, except Tracking:
- Bluetooth: Off
- Message check interval: 20 minutes
- Ring until message is read: Off
- Tracking: 10 minutes (max battery life would be Off or 4 hours)
- Display brightness: 10%
This brightness is unusable in daylight, even in the shade. I turned brightness up and down each time I used it.
- Display timer: 15 seconds
- Sounds - Mute All: On

I sent two Preset messages, and one custom message that took 10 minutes of cursoring/cursing to enter ~90 characters.

After 11.5 hours of use (2.5 hours driving, 9 hours hiking), battery life was at 89%, starting from 100%. The driving and hiking were on roads and trails with pretty good exposure to the sky.

Extrapolating linearly indicates roughly 9 days of battery life.

Most of my days will be shorter than 11.5 hours on my planned 8 day trip, so I should be OK without a charger. I plan to turn off the inReach SE at camp each evening; and turn it back just as I start hiking the next day.

Note that realistic testing is challenging, because you must keep moving to keep the inReach SE awake.

Make sense?

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 03/25/2014 00:38:37 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Extending inReach SE battery life on 03/25/2014 01:15:52 MDT Print View

All we need now is an easy method to order from Amazon.com using inReach SE.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Portable battery Charger for inReach SE... on 03/25/2014 17:49:43 MDT Print View

I picked up a USB battery charger/power supply recently (the link below was posted by another BPL member in a different thread) and I did a test charge with this unit and my inReach SE. I was able to boost my inReach SE from 12% to 94% with one 18650 Lithium rechargeable battery. Not too bad!

Total weight of the battery and power supply is 2.8 oz, so pretty light for that much power reserve (charger is 1.2 oz and one 18650 is 1.6 oz).

Total cost was $22 but that included two 18650 batteries (and delivery is free). The batteries are top of the line Panasonic cells in a generic wrapper. Somebody on Candle Power Forum ripped them apart and confirmed that they are indeed Panasonic cells and they evaluated them very highly (his evaluation included all sorts of discharge graphs etc).

Upon receiving my charger, I was very pleased to discover that the mini USB on the unit is the same as the mini USB that came with my inReach, so the cable works with the unit.

USB Smart Charger/ Power Supply for 18650 Battery - $6

Panasonic 3400 mAh (3.7 V) - 18650 Batteries - $16 (for 2 batteries)

If you are thinking about buying this unit, it's important to know that the batteries have to be non-protected cells. The protected version of this battery won't fit in this charger/power supply. Not really and issue as the unit is protected to prevent over charge and over discharge of the unprotected batteries.

I've also test charged my iPhone with this power supply and the charge took my iPhone from 20% to 100% and the 18650 battery still has a fair bit of charge left (after charging my iPhone, I put the battery in my Zebralight headlight and tested the battery... it gave two flashes (out of a possible four flashes for a fully charged battery). I'll test it tonight to see how much the remaining charge will boost my iPhone.

Edited by skopeo on 03/25/2014 17:51:50 MDT.

William Wang
(billwang) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
Energizer 3xAA lithium results on 03/26/2014 19:12:58 MDT Print View

I just tested the Energizer 3xAA lithium charger that I received from Best Buy. I started at 58% on the Delorme SE and the charger only boosted the Delorme to 63%! I think there voltage may be wrong or something. Using the Zebralight test, all three AA lithium cells show "4 flashes" after the charging of the Delorme (which I left on for 4 hours). Oh well, at least I have three nearly new lithium cells for $10.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Energizer 3xAA lithium results on 03/26/2014 22:52:38 MDT Print View

Each Energizer lithium AA cell has an open circuit voltage of about 1.7V. So, three in series will get you about 5.1V, and that is also what I measured on mine. The trick with lithium primary cells is that they will maintain that open circuit voltage fairly well until they are almost ready to die. So, you could possibly have three used cells that give you almost 5.1V, but they can't supply quite all of the amperage that you might be demanding with some devices.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
3AA lithium... on 03/27/2014 00:42:52 MDT Print View

I agree that it's the amperage that's the problem with the AA chargers. The Miller Charger that I linked above (which uses an 18650 lithium rechargeable battery) pushes out 1.2 amps and that's why it can fully charge the inReach.

I did some final testing on my iPhone with the same charger and I can get two full charges out of one 18650 battery. It actually charges the iPhone very quickly.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: 3AA lithium... on 03/27/2014 00:58:42 MDT Print View

Mike, I guess you know that one single AA lithium battery can deliver 3 amps continuously in short circuit, so three in series can deliver a lot at nearly 5V. Of course there could be some limitations in the small wires and connectors.

We need to do a test of the Delorme input current demand when charging.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
3AA lithium... on 03/27/2014 02:27:43 MDT Print View

@Bob

The problem is exactly what you allude to... the raw battery spec isn't what you get from these power supplies.

It's obviously dialed back for whatever reason. The Lithium 18650 batteries that I use have a very high potential output but the power supply that they are used in lists the output at only 1.2 amps.

I believe the spec on the 3AA Energizer charger lists an output of only .5 amp. That's too low for the inReach. Delorme recommends the Goal Zero power supply for charging the inReach and that unit puts out 5V and up to 1 amp, so I'd assume that the Goal Zero spec is what you should be looking for in an alternate charger (and the 18650 charger I have is pretty close and a lot cheaper/lighter than the Goal Zero (79 grams vs 181 grams)).

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: 3AA lithium... on 03/27/2014 08:10:52 MDT Print View

Mike, I already have a Goal Zero Nomad-7 panel, with or without the Guide 10 battery pack. Getting all of the cables right is another trick. I consider a USB cable to be for data transfer more than for power transfer.

--B.G.--

William Wang
(billwang) - M

Locale: SF Bay Area
Re: 3AA lithium... on 03/27/2014 14:28:07 MDT Print View

Mike, Do you have an idea of how long the 18650 rechargeables hold their charge? I am hiking the JMT and would be mailing a charged 18650 to a resupply location where it would be sitting for about 4 weeks or so. I assume that if properly packaged, the cell would not significantly discharge during that time. I ordered the FastTech charger, but the panasonic 3400mAh cells are now sold out. I bought some 3100mAh cells instead and will test them with the Delorme.

Thanks for the information!

-Bill.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: lithium... on 03/27/2014 14:53:11 MDT Print View

Typical lithium rechargeable batteries are supposed to have a self-discharge rate of less than 1% per day. A good one that is fairly new will be less than that. An old one that is getting funky might be 3-5% per day.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Lithium Batteries... on 03/28/2014 01:27:40 MDT Print View

>> Mike, Do you have an idea of how long the 18650 rechargeables hold their charge? <<

I've never really measured the rate of discharge but I just tested a battery (new-ish 18650) with my zebralight and did the flash test and got 4 flashes. The battery was charged about three weeks ago. I also tested the voltage and it's the same as my freshly charged batteries.

This Candle Power Forum link provides lots of opinions on the subject. Bottom line seems to be that after 4 weeks in normal temperatures, the power drain will be negligible.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Security on the Delorme Mapshare Sites... on 03/29/2014 01:45:25 MDT Print View

I was curious if inReach users on this site worry about their web map security on the Delorme site.

Knowing that by default, your personal web map url ends with you name, I typed in a bunch of BPL'er's names at the end of the mapshare url and was surprised to get so many successful hits. Most are password protected but some aren't!

Pretty obvious by my account name on this site that I don't like my full name to be exposed and I dislike sites (like BPL and inReach's mapshare) that default to your full name.

If you are wondering how to change your mapshare URL, it's an option under the "Social" tab on your inReach web page. I like the fact that they let you name the end piece of your mapshare url. You can set a password under "options" on the same tab.

May not be a concern to some but I don't want the world to know where I live or when I am out of town (judging by the way points and tracks, it's obvious that many people play with their inReach at home).

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Extending inReach SE battery life - my experience on 03/30/2014 08:10:48 MDT Print View

Last year on the JMT we had 10 days from MTR to Whitney - meaning no recharge. I set the device to tracking every 4 hours, sent two presets every day (starting hiking...stopping for the night), then had several longer exchanges towards the end to coordinate my ride from whitney portal.

I had bluetooth off, locked the screen all day, hiked for probably 11-13 hrs/day, kept the screen brightness at 10% (but had to up it when I sent those messages I had to actually type out)...

It lasted all the way to Whitney Portal with about 20% left. So that was 10 days with those settings. I was soooo careful about it because I knew I would need to contact my uncle about picking us up.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
New Firmware for the SE with New Features on 04/01/2014 15:15:08 MDT Print View

Here's the scoop:

https://support.delorme.com/kb/articles/44-inreach-se-firmware-update-release-notes

Now, when powering on, the screen is locked, thereby making a faux SOS much less likely. Also, in settings you can choose Screen Lock, so that when activating the display you have to unlock the screen. Probably a good practice. It's two more button pushes, but the chance of doing anything accidentally is just about eliminated. Clumsiness and ignorance remain problems.

The Data Use page is much improved, giving the specifics of your actual data plan and its monthly renewal date. What is more, it resets the data use counters on each renewal date automatically, so you know how many of your allotments you've used in the current billing cycle.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: New Firmware for the SE with New Features on 04/01/2014 16:31:20 MDT Print View

Jim, the support Release Notes refer to Firmware 2.5.

If you use the Sync function to grab the new version, it loads in as ver. 1.2.1.8770 and no explanation of the numbers. But, it seems to be useful.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: New Firmware for the SE with New Features on 04/01/2014 19:15:11 MDT Print View

Bob, the version I got was 2.5.17898.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: 3AA lithium... on 04/01/2014 19:35:16 MDT Print View

Just checked the manufacturer's spec for the Energizer PP-3AAMC, and it shows 5V and 1A, which should be enough to charge the SE.

My recharge tests were not very demanding because I'm lazy and a cheapskate. Instead of using expensive Li AA cells I used rechargeable NiMH cells. Instead of trying to recharge a depleted SE, I recharged one after a mere day's use, which left it at about 94%. Actually, I did this several times. The result was simple success. In short order, less than an hour, as I recall, the SE was charged back up to 100%.

However, reading here of the rechargeable Li-ion cells and charger from FastTech, I ordered the kit right away. Looks to be lighter and higher capacity.

We'll see!

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: New Firmware for the SE with New Features on 04/03/2014 00:04:54 MDT Print View

Reminder: DeLorme inReach SE firmware updates will reset some of your settings. Check after update.

In my case, Time Zone reset to Eastern, Bluetooth reset to On, Display Timer reset to 30 seconds, Mute All reset to Off.

Screen Lock and improved Data Use page look like good improvements.

-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: New Firmware for the SE with New Features on 04/03/2014 00:14:03 MDT Print View

None of my settings were changed.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: 3AA lithium... on 04/03/2014 18:38:06 MDT Print View

Ok, just back from a day skiing high in the wild snows of the southern San Juans of Colorado. The SE was down, as usual, to 94%. I connected it to the Energizer triple AA charger with primo Li AA cells. In twenty-five minutes, I checked the SE, which was at 100%. Then I put a Lightning adapter on the micro-B tip and recharged the iPod Touch (5th gen). That took less than five minutes to get to 100%. The iPod provides only a graphic indication of charge state, except for specifying a 100% charge. The iPod was using the SE's GPS signal via Bluetooth to track my skiing. I hardly looked at the display, which at full brightness uses lots of electrons; so the battery had nearly a full charge at the end of the day. Apparently the Bluetooth radio is pretty efficient when communicating at very close range. The mapping app (GAIA GPS) and Bluetooth work while the display is asleep.

I don't know why people have trouble charging the SE with the PP-3AAMC charger, but the difference between my experience and Rex's, for example, is that I'm just topping up the SE, but Rex was trying to recharge a deeply discharged SE battery. I have heard or read and believe that fully discharging Li-ion cells is not recommended, but I cannot defend my belief. However, it is consistent with our two experiences.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: 3AA lithium... on 04/03/2014 19:26:17 MDT Print View

I come from the camera battery world, so I've been recharging similar lithium ion batteries for twelve or so years. The prevailing opinion in that world is that a single lithium ion battery has only so many charge cycles in its chemistry, and that number is thought to be in the realm of 300. That is significant if you are a photographer shooting up a storm every day. However, for the inReach SE, I think it won't see that much use. The big difference is that for a camera, you can have one battery inside the camera and a spare inside your pocket, just in case the first one runs out, so you can swap them. With inReach, that is not possible since there is no user access to the internal battery.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Why the SE is locked on during an SOS on 04/07/2014 21:41:22 MDT Print View

Bob Gross complained back in January about the SE locking itself on during the SOS condition:

["Once the message is sent, the unit's tracking is locked on (you can't turn it off)."

Yes, but you can sure as hell kill the tracking signal from getting out. Stick it inside a cook pot with the lid on.]

I just read this interesting story below about climbers who sent an SOS with a Spot device and promptly turned it off to save electrons. This was not a good plan for a couple of reasons. DeLorme wants to avoid that problem.

http://www.thejasperlocal.com/drama-on-andromea.html?utm_source=Newsnet&utm_campaign=13764b4115-Newsnet_November_14_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f101f176b6-13764b4115-11584037

Note to Bob: If you're not in an emergency, just cancel the SOS.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Why the SE is locked on during an SOS on 04/07/2014 22:02:40 MDT Print View

Jim, first of all, I didn't complain.

Somebody had noted that once the SOS was sent, their device could not be easily shut down. I think that on a different event, somebody had opened up the case to disconnect the battery to shut it down. I commented about using the cook pot to stifle the signal.

Then you come up with the previously reported story about two climbers and their Spot device. The problem here was that they simply did not understand how the unit operated, and that once the SOS was sent, it will lock on and try to keep sending GPS coordinate updates, assuming that it has a good GPS solution to send. In their case, there was no good GPS solution, so the Spot could not send much of anything intelligent.

Since then, some of us have gotten familiar with the inReach SE device, and the entire protocol of sending the SOS message is different. It is well documented how to send, how to confirm, and how to cancel.

However, the Spot device is one-way only, and the inReach SE is two-way, so the user/victim will quickly find out if his emergency message was received or if there is some problem.

I was the person who reported on the problem that happened around August 2012 in Fresno County. A backpacker was very ill and a stranger sent the SOS via Spot device. Then, assuming that help would be on the way, the stranger took off on the trail, not realizing that his Spot was still sending GPS updates continually. The sheriff's dispatcher saw all of that and cancelled the helicopter rescue. That entire foul-up could have been avoided with a two-way device.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Why the SE is locked on during an SOS on 04/07/2014 23:05:17 MDT Print View

The moral of the story is Know Your Gear.

It's sad to read of someone ordering some sophisticated piece of gear to be used on a big trip into the middle of nowhere starting the next day. That's learning the hard way. Between lack of familiarity, inadequate User Guides, and poor reading comprehension, or no reading at all, mistakes will be made.

Despite the considerable virtues of the SE, it takes time to set it up and get comfortable with its use. Too bad users are forbidden to try out the SOS function. I still wonder how well the GEOS emergency dispatch works. At least the SE does not limit you to that.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Why the SE is locked on during an SOS on 04/07/2014 23:41:07 MDT Print View

"It's sad to read of someone ordering some sophisticated piece of gear to be used on a big trip into the middle of nowhere starting the next day. That's learning the hard way."

There is a fool who can overcome any foolproof scheme.

Oh, by the way, I was curious about the maximum specifications for inReach altitude and velocity, so I contacted Delorme tech support. They responded that there were none. Well, that is a bunch of b.s., because the GPS standards document says that a civilian GPS receiver cannot report anything higher than one certain altitude or anything faster than one certain velocity. Anything beyond that, and the civilian GPS receiver is considered to be acting as guidance in a munition.

EDIT: I looked it up in the official GPS spec. Civilian GPS receivers are restricted to 550 mph velocity and 18 km altitude.


--B.G.--

Edited by --B.G.-- on 04/08/2014 00:03:07 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
New DeLorme InReach Explorer (i.e., SE w/ *nearly* full-fledged GPSr functions) on 04/22/2014 18:53:40 MDT Print View

So close yet so far (i.e., no base maps):
http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/inreach-explorer.php
http://forum.delorme.com/index.php?/topic/21564-topographic-maps-on-new-inreach-explorer/

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: New DeLorme InReach Explorer (i.e., SE w/ *nearly* full-fledged GPSr functions) on 04/22/2014 21:13:05 MDT Print View

Hmmm.

Seems like you would still like to have a Bluetooth display device for map stuff with the forthcoming inReach Explorer. It doesn't sound like a compelling upgrade. As mentioned previously (at boring length and repetition), I use an iPod Touch (5th gen) with Gaia GPS for mapping. Don't care much for Earthmate. I've been skiing backcountry in the southern San Juans of Colorado all season with this kit. Once I got the moves down, and DeLorme got the firmware firmed up, it's all been good.

I recently downgraded from the Recreation Plan to the new Safety Plan. Half the price and everything I need. Preset messages can be used as manual tracking points, and they have no marginal cost.

Edited by JimSubzero on 04/22/2014 21:17:43 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 04/25/2014 15:55:54 MDT Print View

Just got the Panasonic Li NCR18650A cells and Miller ML102 Charger/Recharger plus a short USB micro-B cable from FastTech. Not very fast: three weeks. But cheap! Thanks to Mike W and William Wang for the suggestions.

The ML102 with a single 18650 and a 12" USB micro-B cable weighs virtually the same as the Energizer PP-3AAMC loaded with 3 Li AAs. Using the technical spec sheets for both kinds of cells I calculated that the three Li AAs have about 12.6Wh capacity and that a single NCR18650A has about 11.2Wh capacity. The AAs are not rechargeable, but the 18650 is rechargeable. The ratio of their two capacities is about nine to eight. Panasonic makes a higher capacity 18650 (3400 mAh vs 3100 mAh) which would reduce the difference with the Ultimate Lithium AAs to a negligible level. It was out of stock when I ordered.

The calculations above do not take into account the associated electronics for the two chargers. I assume that they both have similar efficiencies and that they both are high.

Both chargers can provide more than adequate current at the correct voltage to charge the inReach SE. It seems the biggest difference is the ability to recharge 18650 cells against Li AAs being discarded when they are dead. Each kind of cell has advantages in some conditions.

I have briefly tested the ML102 loaded with its 18650 cell for charging compatibility. No complaints from the inReach SE, the iPod Touch, or a Bad Elf GPS Pro. The iPod and Bad Elf required tip adapters. These weigh a gram or so apiece.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 04/28/2014 12:14:15 MDT Print View

Actual use report on the rechargeable Li-ion charger.

The Miller ML 102 with a Panasonic NCR18650A installed recharged the SE, which was down 7% from the day's use, as quickly as a powered USB port, roughly 45 minutes. The iPod Touch, which was down to about one third capacity, also recharged quickly (much faster than the SE, probably due to a much smaller battery). After this tiny orgy of recharging, I measured the Li-ion NCR18650A cell's voltage. It was a robust 3.8V.

A little more on the ML 102: It is both a charger and a recharger. You can charge a single 18650 cell from a standard USB2 port using a USB cable with a micro-B tip, plugging it into the micro-B socket on the ML 102. The same cable plugged into the USB2 port on the ML 102 is used to recharge devices like the SE that have a micro-B socket for recharging.

I'm guessing that the capacity of the NCR18650A cell (3100 mAh) is roughly the same as the SE's battery. I've submitted the question to DeLorme support.

And if anyone has an iOS device with the new Lightning connector (like me), I have this advice. Non-Apple Lightening connectors, even the ones that claim to be blessed by Apple, are not very reliable. I've had to discard two. The Apple cable is still working. I hate to pay $20 for a micro-B to Lightning tip adapter, but that may be the price of reliability. Not strictly passive, it has a chip in it.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/28/2014 12:38:41 MDT Print View

"What kind of battery is in an inReach and how long does it last?
If you are planning to be off the grid for an extended period of time, we suggest that you carry a solar charger with you. The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh capacity at 3.7 V. The inReach SE has been tested to last 100 hours, based on transmitting one track point every 10 minutes with a clear view of the sky. Actual results will vary based on individual usage based on the level and types of functions you are performing on the device. The inReach battery charging temperature range is 32 F to 113 F (0 C to +45 C). The original inReach 1.5 model runs on two lithium AA batteries and provides about 125 hours of continuous operation at the 10-minute tracking interval with a clear view to the sky. inReach 1.5 also supports the use of alkaline and nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries. Using these batteries with the same 10-minute tracking interval delivers 75 hours with NiMH and 72 hours with alkaline."

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/faq.php

Edited by jimlarkey on 04/28/2014 12:40:04 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/28/2014 13:11:41 MDT Print View

Thanks, Jim, for that info.

It seems that a 3.7V 3100mAh cell like the 18650 I've been testing would have more than enough juice to double the charge life of the SE, assuming reasonable efficiency.

Fred Eoff
(fredeoff) - F - M

Locale: Northwest
Re: Re: The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/29/2014 10:51:05 MDT Print View

So is the standard InReach SE battery easily replaceable? I've never taken the time to check that frankly.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: The battery in the inReach SE is a 2,450 mAh on 04/29/2014 11:50:08 MDT Print View

"So is the standard InReach SE battery easily replaceable? I've never taken the time to check that frankly."

It depends what you mean by easy. For us civilians, not easy. That's why we are talking about rechargers.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Recreation Plan jumped $2.76 to $29.88, mostly Fed USF Cellular on 05/07/2014 23:46:10 MDT Print View

DeLorme inReach monthly Recreation Plan is advertised at $24.95.

For many months my bill was $27.12, including seven added fees. You don't get to see all the fees until your first bill.

This month it's $29.88, an increase of $2.76, mostly a $2.62 increase in the "Fed USF Cellular" fee.

DeLorme is following AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon's playbook - gradually ratchet up the fees while holding down the advertised price. Like boiling a frog, they hope you won't notice and bail out. As with AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon, it's not like you have a lot of choices.

-- Rex

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
Recreation Plan $30.71 for $24.95 Plan on 05/08/2014 05:11:40 MDT Print View

Just another data point, my latest is $30.71 for "$24.95" plan.

Donald Browning
(docdb) - M

Locale: SE USA
Re: Re: Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 05/08/2014 05:42:31 MDT Print View

Jim,
I've bought the Miller unit you described, but was surprised to find that some of my 18650 batteries were too long to fit the unit. I use the 18650s for headlights and to have a way to recharge the iphone is a bonus. I did not find any information on the web regarding different length 18650s, but "protected", "non-protected" may be the difference. Any info?
Don

Donald Browning
(docdb) - M

Locale: SE USA
Woops on 05/08/2014 05:46:17 MDT Print View

Woops,
I see this was covered two pages back.
Don

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Triple Li AA (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) vs Panasonic NCR18650A on 05/08/2014 08:16:16 MDT Print View

Yes, Don, the Miller ML105 cannot charge all 18650 Li cells. The "flat" ones are just the right length. The "button" style, where the + terminal protrudes (like a AA), is just a little bit too long. Very careful reading of the info on the ML105 is required to pick out this detail. When I ordered the 18650 cells I checked the manufacturer's spec sheet to make sure the cells would fit.

So, it seems that 18650 cells (among others), in addition to differences in capacity, also differ in whether they are "protected" and in whether they are "flat". I'm under the impression (possibly mistaken) that "protected" means that the cell shuts itself down when the voltage falls below some threshold. I hate it when that happens! I prefer that decision to be made by the electronics being powered.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
protected 18650 size... on 05/08/2014 15:40:13 MDT Print View

Technically, I don't think the button top is the issue it's the added circuitry that makes the protected cells longer. That said, I don't think I've seen a non-protected 18650 that wasn't a flat top.

If you want to use your protected button top 18650's, then pick up the eNB 1A 1/2 charger/battery bank . It will take either protected or unprotected cells and the weight of the unit is only slightly heavier than the Miller charger. (Miller = 1.2 oz, eNB = 1.6 oz). The eNB charger can use either one or two of the 18650's as it's power supply and as mentioned, it uses protected or unprotected cells (my unprotected button top Eagtac cells fit just fine).

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: protected 18650 size... on 05/08/2014 21:00:48 MDT Print View

I was just looking at specs for a variety of 18650 cells, both protected and not. For the same capacity a protected cell will be longer due to the extra circuitry. However, you can find protected cells that will fit the ML 105.

So complicated!

UPDATE: (later the same day)

Here's a guy in Denmark who's really into this stuff -- batteries, chargers, testing:

http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html

The last three items on his index tell you what you need to know to read the rest of the site without feeling like an idiot.

By the way, how do you post a civilized link in these messages?

Edited by JimSubzero on 05/08/2014 23:25:02 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 08:27:52 MDT Print View

By the way, how do you post a civilized link in these messages?

The old-fashioned way ...

<a href="http://www.backpackinglight.com">BackpackingLight</a>
becomes
BackpackingLight

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 05/13/2014 08:29:18 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 08:35:36 MDT Print View

Very good, Rex, posting the characters such that they don't get expanded into the link

although, since it says "edited by..." I see it took you several attempts : )

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 08:41:52 MDT Print View

Wow! Rex, that's pretty primitive. You have to know the ancient tongue HTML to post a comely link to a URL. So nineties!

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 22:43:34 MDT Print View

Most of my posts take two or three post/edit/repost cycles to get right, and that's after editing offline in TextWrangler for the longer pieces!

BPL supports a limited range of HTML markup, documented somewhere around here.

Other useful bits:
<b>bold</b> bold
<i>italics</i> italics

Lists are usually more trouble than they are worth, especially since you can't put natural line breaks in without weird results.
<ol><li>First line in list</li><li>Second line in list</li><li>...</li></ol>

  1. First line in list
  2. Second line in list
  3. ...


-- Rex

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: civilized link on 05/13/2014 22:47:45 MDT Print View

Rex, I am still looking for a shorthand text language that I can thumb type into the inReach SE and save characters.

--B.G.--

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
SE For Sale on 05/23/2014 09:07:22 MDT Print View

I succumbed to Explorer temptation based on a special deal and the possibility of leaving my old Garmin GPSr home more often (especially now that I’ve been experimenting with Gaia on my newer more reliable smartphone).

So my SE is for sale - $190 on this forum, plus actual USPS priority mail shipping cost (once my Explorer arrives, with a somewhat uncertain arrival date).

Since buying it only ten months ago, I've used it to send out only a dozen or so messages, and it's been turned on for only maybe a dozen or so cumulative hours.
(Resided inside my pack for maybe a couple dozen trips.)

I did remove the belt clip, and although it can be clicked back into place, I heard here that once it's removed, it's never quite as secure again (although carrying it on a belt or strap never struck me as secure in the first place, hence I removed the clip).

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: SE For Sale on 05/23/2014 10:49:28 MDT Print View

"I did remove the belt clip, and although it can be clicked back into place, I heard here that once it's removed, it's never quite as secure again (although carrying it on a belt or strap never struck me as secure in the first place, hence I removed the clip)."

I described a fix for the once-removed belt clip in "Be careful what you wish for" on this thread. However, I decided against using the belt clip in favor of a small loop of light line through the lanyard. A tiny 'biner high on the pack secures it against loss. The SE is tucked into an upper pack pocket where it gets a good view of the sky. Easy to get to and use, but out of the way.

Just wondering, Jonathan, why you are upgrading to the Explorer when you used the SE so little. When used with a Bluetooth display device (as you plan to) the Explorer seems to add little function.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Explorer Rationale on 05/23/2014 11:12:09 MDT Print View

"Just wondering, Jonathan, why you are upgrading to the Explorer when you used the SE so little. When used with a Bluetooth display device (as you plan to) the Explorer seems to add little function."

- Although I almost never use the SE in the sense of actually turning it on and/or taking it out of my pack (I've sent only several messages on ski mountaineering trips, and just for fun really when I first got it, with the other messages just test messages from inside), I've taken the SE with me on many backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering trips where cell reception isn't reliable. (I of course have the Safety plan!)

- I also take my old Garmin 60-series GPSr on those trips. Although I've used it so much over the years that it almost feels like one of my trusty ski partners, which technology evolving so rapidly, I'm thinking about leaving it home on many trips to save weight.

- I recently upgraded my phone for unrelated reasons (to Samsung S4 so-called "Mini"), which has the benefit of what seems like (although I haven't tested it in detail yet) a more accurate GPS chip (as compared to my old Droid Incredible). I've also been experimenting with the Gaia Android app, which has great map support, and some good features too.

- However, messing around with a phone touchscreen for navigation in snowy or wet weather = not so good. Hence the Explorer, which has real buttons, and real navigational features. No base maps, so I still see a potential need for my Garmin when I anticipate some serious navigational issues in bad weather. (Although of course that is a combination I would rather avoid regardless of choice of navigational tools!)

Picture from somewhere high on Mount Baker way back in 2007 -- that Garmin GPSr and the sun hat are the only things I've still be using on a regular basis:

Near the summit of Baker, July 2007

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Explorer Rationale on 05/23/2014 11:30:59 MDT Print View

You're definitely right about touch screens in adverse conditions. I would add to your list extreme cold. Though I work well below zero, they don't, I find.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: SE For Sale on 05/23/2014 19:45:43 MDT Print View

"However, I decided against using the belt clip in favor of a small loop of light line through the lanyard."

I use both. My SE is clipped on the top compression strap of my pack, and I also run a small loop of cord around that strap, so if the clipped failed I wouldn't lose the SE.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Portable battery Charger for inReach SE... on 05/27/2014 19:46:56 MDT Print View

Accidentally, I forgot to turn off the SE after its last use. Its battery went all the way down to 0% over a couple of weeks of neglect. This was an opportunity to see what the Miller ML102 with a fully charged Panasonic NCR18650A (nominally, a 3100 mAh Li ion cell) could do. In about three hours it got the SE up to 70%; the 18650 was down to 3.25V, and the SE did not charge further. Swapping in a fresh 18650 got it up to 98% in two hours (the 18650 was then at 3.78 V -- still plenty of juice left). Ninety-eight percent seems to be the new one hundred percent. Perhaps deep discharge cycles are not good for the internal SE battery.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Portable battery Charger for inReach SE on 05/28/2014 00:11:05 MDT Print View

That's similar to the results I got with the Miller charger (posted earlier in this thread).

My Miller power supply was able to boost my inReach from 12% to 94%, so 82% increase in charge. I was using a 3400 mAh battery so that's probably most of the difference. Temperature, length/quality of the cable and the fact that you actually started at zero charge may have had an impact on your charging performance.

The fact that the Miller has to drive the voltage to 5V (USB) also reduces it's efficiency. I believe they claim an 85% efficiency so 15% of your 18650 capacity is lost to the charger.

cody yochum
(uclacody0908) - F

Locale: Nor Cal
miller ml102 version? on 05/28/2014 12:19:34 MDT Print View

What version of the charger are you using? Does one 18650 give you one recharge only on most devices?

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: miller ml102 version? on 05/28/2014 12:53:26 MDT Print View

"Does one 18650 give you one recharge only on most devices?"

That depends on the mAh of the devices. You've got 3400 mAh (minus inefficiencies) to work with.

Got two devices that needs a 1500 mAh charge? No problem.
Got one device that will need 1500 mAh 3 times? Ain't gonna happen.



(Real numbers will get better responses than hypotheticals. What do you have?)

Edited by greg23 on 05/28/2014 12:59:11 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: miller ml102 version? on 05/28/2014 14:20:24 MDT Print View

"What version of the charger are you using?"

I've got the ML102 which gets power through a USB micro-B socket in its side. It provides power from a USB A socket in one end. An earlier model has mini-B instead. Micro-B is better since mini-B is just about obsolete. Most gadgets, except for Apple, use micro-B. Tip adapters, however, are available and weigh almost nothing. I prefer to carry just one 12" cable.

I use the ML102 with a Panasonic 3100 mAh 18650 cell (the 3400 mAh model was unavailable when I ordered). I also use it to recharge an iPod Touch 5G, mostly, and, sometimes, a Bad Elf GPS. Both of these have much smaller capacity than my 18650s. When in doubt, bring extra. They weigh 45 g apiece.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
98%, the New 100%? on 05/31/2014 19:16:04 MDT Print View

After an accidental deep discharge to 0% I reported being able only to get the SE up to 98%. Then I put it away for a couple of days. Apparently it used this time to to meditate and rethink itself. When I turned the SE on again this morning it cheerfully reported a 100% charge. I used it in the field today for seven hours, then recharged it. In less than forty minutes the SE reported 100%.

Is it healed, or is it just teasing me? (Or should I just stop paying it so much attention?)

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: 98%, the New 100%? on 05/31/2014 20:06:02 MDT Print View

That's interesting - I have never fully discharged mine, but after about 10 trips, including an 18-day outing, mine will not at all charge past 96-98%.

As a matter of fact, it started maxing out at upper 90%'s after just a few re-charges.

I am recharging from the wall each and every time

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: 98%, the New 100%? on 05/31/2014 20:13:21 MDT Print View

Jen, I think the explanation is that each SE is a unique and precious little snowflake. Nothing else accounts for all the data.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
98%, the New 100%? on 05/31/2014 20:17:25 MDT Print View

I try not to get too concerned about the 100% mark. I believe I read somewhere that from 70%-100% drains the battery more than the first 60%-70%. I'm not sure if that's true or if it's just a case of the last little bit of charge to bring it up to 100% is often done when the battery is mostly depleted (by the initial part of the charge). In the field, I tend to only top my devices up when they get down fairly low and then I only charge them up enough to run for a day or two.

My cable of choice came from FastTech.com. It's a combo cable with mini USB (for the inReach SE) and the 30 pin iPhone 4 connector on the same cable. The cable is 8 inches long and weighs 10 grams (.35 oz) and only cost me $1.40 (and no shipping or service charges!)

Combo Cable

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Not all USB are outlets equal... on 05/31/2014 20:24:59 MDT Print View

>> I am recharging from the wall each and every time <<

Jen - USB output is quite a variable beast in the industry. The voltage is standard at 5V but the amperage can be all over the place. Wall chargers tend to be higher output amperage than the USB built into computers (although newer computers will be good) but that's not always the case. Check your wall charger and make sure it has at least a 1 amp USB output. If not, it might explain the difficulty you are having reaching 100% top-up because the inReach requires that. My wall plug USB converter pushes my inReach to 100% every time (it's a 1 amp USB).

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Not all USB are outlets equal... on 05/31/2014 20:52:29 MDT Print View

well...

I guess what I mean is that I'm using the supplied USB cable and plug-thingy that came with the inreach, and even from my wall socket at home I haven't been able to get it to 100%. I just assumed the percentage was a ballpark anyway (like your blood oxygen concentration....it's all good if you're between 96-100%)

But to read this thread makes me wonder.........

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Not all USB are outlets equal... on 05/31/2014 20:56:58 MDT Print View

"But to read this thread makes me wonder........."


You have what your have...

Just because the MRI shows a bulging disk, doesn't mean you have a problem.... ya know?

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: Not all USB are outlets equal... on 06/01/2014 09:16:07 MDT Print View

HA! Good one Greg.....

So I will wonder no more. It works very well.

Now, all I need is a field charger. Can someone please tell me the most efficient, lightest, most bomber, best acting, fastest charger available? It needs to work in -50* temps in the arctic as well as 120* in Big Bend in the height of summer.

Thanks!

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: Not all USB are outlets equal... on 06/01/2014 10:57:08 MDT Print View

"Now, all I need is a field charger. Can someone please tell me the most efficient, lightest, most bomber, best acting, fastest charger available? It needs to work in -50* temps in the arctic as well as 120* in Big Bend in the height of summer."

Jen, temperature extremes are not good for any chemical electric storage cells, including the ones in your SE. However, the various Lithium based cells are best in that regard, and that includes both the one-shot Li cells and the Li-ion rechargeables. If you look above in this thread you will see discussion of both types. The weights and electrical capacities of those discussed are almost the same, which is to say about 3 oz. and 12 Wh. For long times out, take more cells, which are fairly light. Three Li AAs or one honking 18650 weigh about 45 g and give you another 12 Wh +/-. In very cold environments the apparent capacity of batteries declines along with other aspects of their performance. At temperatures up to 120ºF you could expect good performance.

I have been personally using both the Energizer 3AA charger and the ML102 (with an 18650 Li-ion cell). So far, so good. At -50ºF it will be best to keep any electronics close to your body, assuming you're still alive. Similarly, when the air is 120ºF, keeping electronics out of direct solar gain is a good idea.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not all USB are outlets equal... on 06/01/2014 12:48:25 MDT Print View

Sorry Jim - I wasn't actually serious in my post. I was being snarky.........

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not all USB are outlets equal... on 06/01/2014 13:03:01 MDT Print View

"Sorry Jim - I wasn't actually serious in my post. I was being snarky........."

Your proposed adventures sounded totally reasonable to me, Jen. Still do. My preposterometer did not get off zero, did not even quiver. Maybe, I should send it back to the shop for calibration -- or just throw it away and get the app.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Explorer Feedback on 06/06/2014 10:11:25 MDT Print View

Based on some limited testing so far ... all the basic GPS navigational functions in the field seem fine ... can then transfer waypoints & tracks to computer ... can then edit waypoints, but not tracks ... can transfer tracks to gpx, but not waypoints ...
BIG PROBLEM: absolutely no gpx import for waypoints or tracks!?!
So only way to plan a trip by creating waypoints and routes (i.e., computer-created drawn lines, as opposed to the Explorer's field-created lines) beforehand is to create each one anew.
More specifically, for waypoints, click on some random point on the map, then copy over the actual waypoint coordinates from your mapping software of choice.
For routes -- which are lines, so "tracks" in Garmin speak (which uses "routes" to refer to ordered collections of waypoints) -- the only option is to click on the map to create individual track points. So if you're not following a trail on the topo or an image on the sat view in which you have lots of confidence, the only accurate option is to go back to your mapping software of choice, copy over lots of individual track points for new waypoints, then play connect-the-dots to create an accurate route.
Or, if you have an Explorer-created field track that you want to save as a route, then you can click away on your computer's map display to create a route overlaying the track.
(You don't want to save field-created tracks for future navigational purposes, since that will clutter up the memory, plus it's all or nothing for saving old tracks.)

Edited by jshefftz1 on 06/06/2014 10:18:12 MDT.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
More on Explorer Navigational Features on 06/06/2014 15:10:35 MDT Print View

Just to clarify ... or perhaps to confuse? --

The Explorer essentially has three distinct sets of navigational data: Explorer-created lines called tracks, website-created lines called routes, and waypoints (which can be created -- and then commingled -- either by the Explorer or at the website).

1. Tracks can be synced to the website and then exported to a gpx file. The track memory can also be cleared on the Explorer to declutter the map view and free up memory. (However, for the latter concern, any track logging interval less than a minute prompts a warning about more rapid depletion of the battery, yet even a 10-second interval still provides an estimated week of tracking memory, and even a one-second interval provides an estimate day of memory.)

2. Routes can be created, edited, and deleted on the website, synced to the Explorer, and deleted on the Explorer. (An in-progress navigation to a website also shows up in the route, but then disappears once navigation is ended, although that disappearance could be a function of my navigation not having entailed actually going anywhere.) No possibility though for exporting the route out from the website via a gpx file (or any other way), and no possibility for importing route data from a gpx file (or any other way). To create a route more precise that just clicking on map features: a) if the goal is to create a saved route from an Explorer-created track, then you can click away to essentially create a new line overlaid on the recorded track; if the goal is to replicate a previously created track in a gpx file, you can create a series of temporary waypoints from the individual tracklog points, then play connect-the-dots with your drawn route.

3. Waypoints can be created, deleted, and edited on either the Explorer or the website, and synced back & forth. Waypoints created on the Explorer are automatically uploaded via the Iridium satellite network to the user's map page on the DeLorme website (and ditto for in-progress navigational "routes"), with no way currently to override this automated (and bafflingly free) uploading. The only way to import or export waypoint data to or from an outside source is to copy & paste the coordinates.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: More on Explorer Navigational Features on 06/06/2014 16:03:32 MDT Print View

Yikes!

Thanks for the beta-testing, Jonathan. I hope you're sharing your experience with DeLorme. Perhaps with a few upgrades to the firmware, the Explorer will be worth having at the extra cost. The SE, too, needed a few firmware tweeks to get dialed in.

For the time being I'll stay with the SE/iPodTouch combo. The iPod is troublesome in wet or very cold weather, but with care can be used even then. And, hey!, it's got a pretty good snapshot camera built in. The Gaia GPS app does all the map and nav stuff I need. One thing I really like about Gaia is how it synchs to other related devices and to its web account painlessly. It imports and exports gpx files without complaint.

Please keep posting your experience here.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Deja Vu all over again... on 06/06/2014 16:08:37 MDT Print View

Yes, it's like the initial SE roll-out all over again!
(Even took five rounds of phone calls with DeLorme tech support to get my Explorer to realize it was indeed an Explorer and not some sort of Explorer/SE hybrid, although that could have been only because I transferred over my service plan from the SE to the Explorer.)

The reaction of DeLorme tech support to all this has been amusing in a way, as they sure are good at keeping a "poker face" (well, the telephone equivalent) even after a loooong hold during which they must have had a very interesting conversation to verify that they are indeed chewing up their own Iridium bandwith (and Explorer battery power) with constant updates of every single Explorer-created waypoint...

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Explorer Invoicing Problems on 06/07/2014 11:03:44 MDT Print View

The latest invoice just arrived: even though I'm supposed to get 10 freebies per "monthly" billing cycle (7th of each month through to the 6th of the following month), DeLorme is now charging me for every single message I send . . . which for this past cycle consisted of a test message (which isn't even supposed to count against my 10/month allotment) plus two track points (inadvertently sent while trying to figure out the new tracking options with the Explorer).

The fun side of those incorrect charges is that I can determine how much free satellite upload time I received from the Explorer's undocumented and apparently unintentional (and unalterable) constant uploading of all navigational data to the DeLorme website map page.
(I see from the usage that this must include not only waypoint creation and navigation, but also track *logs* even if track *points* are not being sent.)

Based on the average rate DeLorme charged me for the "units" attributable to the test message and track points, I received almost $19 worth of free (yet utterly worthless to me, and also battery-draining) satellite upload time.
And that was for maybe just a couple hours of so of navigational time.
For the current billing cycle when I'm actually use the Explorer in the field later this month, a quick calculation shows that DeLorme will be giving me (unless they fix it soon) over $500 in free satellite time!

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Firmware Update Now Available for SE on 06/09/2014 16:07:38 MDT Print View

It took me two tries to install 2.6.1

Seems there is some Explorer-like behavior now on the SE. In History I can View a bunch of points plotted. Not exactly sure how to do anything with them, however. There's a Navigate button, which suggests the SE could direct me to a selected point. Not that I care. (But, who knows?, maybe I might someday.)

The updated Help had nothing to say on the topic. Probably reading the Explorer User Guide would tell.

The dates are still maddeningly stated as days of the week. Sometimes I've got real dates, but now it's all days of the week. Different weeks, though. Can't tell which. I've talked to DeLorme about this. They agree it's a problem. This is one problem that has to be easy to fix: Always use dates.

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
More Feedback on Explorer on 06/29/2014 14:11:26 MDT Print View

I posted a detailed review here:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2JLBBG6VLZGUD/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2JLBBG6VLZGUD
... which prompted a follow-up from DeLorme (with gpx support coming soon, yeah!).

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Firmware Update Now Available for SE on 06/29/2014 14:30:49 MDT Print View

"It took me two tries to install 2.6.1"

I was having the same sort of trouble, so I complained to Delorme. Their answer: Do it twice!

--B.G.--

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Firmware update 2.6.2 on 07/06/2014 14:39:38 MDT Print View

Nothing on the DeLorme support web site about what's in 2.6.2, but that's what got installed today (eventually) while trying to sync.

https://support.delorme.com/kb/articles/44-inreach-se-explorer-firmware-update-release-notes

Update took three tries. Before third try, I reset screen lock from ON to OFF, and reset display timer from 30 seconds to 5 minutes, because it looked like the install bombed just after the screen locked.

After the update, I had to reset a bunch of settings again, including Bluetooth, Time Zone, and Coordinates. Other inReach SE owners don't have this problem, guess I'm lucky.

And the icons on the home screen have changed positions.

Added: No plotting in History, no Navigate button. Maybe those features were removed? I skipped the 2.6.1 update.

Added: Owner info finally shows up on lock screen!

-- Rex

Edited by Rex on 07/06/2014 14:46:08 MDT.

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Firmware update 2.6.2 on 07/06/2014 15:08:51 MDT Print View

I tried several times to install 2.6.2, but it always hung. I gave up since I didn't need to sync. Will try again when I'm desperate.

UPDATE: Just checked the SE itself, and apparently the firmware is 2.6.24021. Somehow the update worked despite appearing to fail several times. The Explorer-like behavior is gone.

Edited by JimSubzero on 07/06/2014 15:16:07 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Firmware update 2.6.2 on 07/06/2014 15:32:07 MDT Print View

"2.6.24021"

That's what I've had for over a month now.

I don't think that the thing actually fails, but it does several things that make the user feel that it has failed in the update process.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Firmware update 2.6.2 on 07/06/2014 23:55:02 MDT Print View

"I don't think that the thing actually fails, but it does several things that make the user feel that it has failed in the update process."

Sounds like a failure to me. If success looks like failure, it's not success . . . in the realm of updating firmware, anyway. Historically though, success comes in many guises.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Cross-post: Google Earth track and profile from DeLorme inReach SE on 07/07/2014 00:25:24 MDT Print View

Took a little work, but you can import track points into Google Earth, and get an elevation profile.
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=90733&nid=791123

-- Rex

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Firmware upgrade... on 07/07/2014 00:42:51 MDT Print View

After 2 failures to update, I shut of my virus scan and firewall (always a good idea) and it finally worked. I doubt the issue was the firewall though because the errors I received when it failed suggested that it was a lost connection to Delorme's site.

Strangest thing is that my firmware version is different than what you guys are seeing. My unit is running 2.6.25624. This makes me think that Delorme is doing minor tweaks to their software as they go... a bit concerning.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Firmware upgrade... on 07/07/2014 01:11:42 MDT Print View

"This makes me think that Delorme is doing minor tweaks to their software as they go... a bit concerning."

Mike, I raised that same concern to the tech support staff last month, and they claimed that it was all necessary. Yes, it might be necessary, to put one patch over the error that they made the month before.

--B.G.--

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Track Export Feature on 07/07/2014 08:17:41 MDT Print View

Nice that the track export feature has returned -- migrated to a new spot, which also has just the right amount of available real estate to its left to allow for an "import" button (please...).

And my Explorer now also shows 2.6.25624 after a sync.

Jeff McWilliams
(jjmcwill) - M

Locale: Midwest
New InReach SE owner on 07/08/2014 08:21:25 MDT Print View

I got my InReach SE yesterday. Activated the safety plan, synced updates, and got the Delorme App on my Android phone.

I'm spending the weekend with wife and grandson in Red River Gorge, KY this weekend. I'll be bringing the unit with me to test its send/receive capabilities.

No other trips planned for July, so I can burn a message or two and still be under my monthly limit.

Thanks to you guys for continuing to update this thread with information. It's been great to monitor the discussion. It gave me much more confidence in picking the InReach SE over a SPOT or a PLB.

Michael Gillenwater
(mwgillenwater) - M

Locale: Seattle area
New non-satellite tech on 07/17/2014 15:40:01 MDT Print View

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/xdpy/forum_thread/93357/index.html

A link to separate thread on a new communication device. Curious what more folks think.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: New InReach SE owner on 07/17/2014 15:45:29 MDT Print View

"No other trips planned for July, so I can burn a message or two and still be under my monthly limit."

You will want to pay attention to when your month starts and ends. It is not the end of the month. For you, the month will start about when you activated it.

--B.G.--

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
no-goTenna on 07/17/2014 16:33:08 MDT Print View

So let's see:
- DeLorme inReach can send and receive messages with any SMS or email address anywhere in the world
vs
- goTenna can send and receive messages only with another goTenna-linked phone via two-watts on MURS within a range of . . . well, take your pick:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/17/gotenna-looks-like-pricey-cool-way-stay-connected-signal-available-now-pre-order/
"Under normal circumstances, expect to be within a mile or two of someone instead."

http://www.cnet.com/news/gotenna-creates-cell-network-out-of-thin-air-anywhere-on-earth/
"[...] around 1 mile in skyscraper-filled urban areas, but up to 9 miles in most outdoor situations like hiking and camping. If you're climbing or, say, out skiing, it shoots from 9 miles to as high as 50 miles once you start ascending to higher elevations."

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/gotenna-makes-smartphones-into-walkie-talkies-sort-of-91994621824.html
"GoTenna says its devices will transmit up to three miles in the woods or eight miles over open water."

http://www.fastcompany.com/3032791/most-creative-people/gotenna-lets-you-text-when-theres-no-service
"Perdomo says in a city the low-frequency radio waves reach about a mile, but in an open field it can reach about 50 miles."

http://www.examiner.com/article/gotenna-allows-you-to-send-texts-when-you-have-no-service
"For example, at the top of a mountain, a GoTenna could find devices up to 50 miles away. But when in the center of a forest, it might only be able to reach three to four miles away."

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
inReach first month = prorated on 07/17/2014 16:35:24 MDT Print View

The first month for the inReach is prorated -- or at least mine was last year.
And the month is not a calendar month, but a 30/31-day period that starts on the 7th and ends on the 6th . . . or at least that's what mine was shifted to.
So depending on exactly when you activate, you might have only a single message of the normal ten allowance.

Edited by jshefftz1 on 07/17/2014 16:37:16 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: inReach first month = prorated on 07/17/2014 16:49:50 MDT Print View

"And the month is not a calendar month, but a 30/31-day period that starts on the 7th and ends on the 6th . . . or at least that's what mine was shifted to."

There are others of us with a month starting on the 15th. I suspect that everybody has a different date. It might not be a 30/31-day period, either. February is shorter.

--B.G.--

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Calendar Shock on 07/17/2014 19:08:25 MDT Print View

"February is shorter."

When did that happen? Are the Feds messing with the eternal verities again?

Jonathan Shefftz
(jshefftz1) - MLife

Locale: Western Mass.
Explorer Model Update on 08/07/2014 12:52:43 MDT Print View

Explorer model update: gpx file import is now supported!

Waypoint total is currently capped at 200, but "We are working to remove the limit in the coming weeks."
Also, each imported tracklog is limited to 512 points/nodes. But since the number of separate tracklogs/routes appears to be unlimited, if you want to retain the original detail of each tracklog, then you can just split it into however many separate components are necessary to stay within 512.

Export to gpx still seems to capture only the Explorer-created tracklog.
But that's not a big drawback for me personally, as the limited number of waypoints I anticipate creating with the Explorer can be copied over manually to other software.
(By contrast, I have many hundreds of previously created waypoints I want to import into the unit, and probably some new tracklogs/routes too so as to compensate for the unit's lack of a basemap.)

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Fees on DeLorme Invoice Declining! on 08/07/2014 19:17:44 MDT Print View

I'm trying to frame this as a complaint, but it's not easy.

The last couple of months the fees added onto my monthly Safety Plan invoice are adding up to about seventeen cents. So, instead of paying the advertised rate of $11.95, I'm being soaked for $12.12! A few months ago, as I recall, the fees were two or three dollars extra.

Those were the days!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Fees on DeLorme Invoice Declining! on 08/07/2014 19:27:25 MDT Print View

You want to watch your DeLorme invoice closely for mistakes.

I caught them at one last month. Strangely enough, the mistake was in their favor.

--B.G.--

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Explorer update... on 08/08/2014 00:59:35 MDT Print View

Jonathan - thanks for the Explorer update info.

When my inReach SE gave up on me a few weeks ago I replaced it with the Explorer. I picked it up a day before a week long trip in the Rockies, so not much time to test it before heading out. Your review was very helpful.

The GPX import is great news for me as well, but unlike you, the lack of support for an all inclusive GPX file export is very frustrating for me. I want to (and did) leave my Garmin GPS at home on my recent trip but since I used the inReach Explorer to mark waypoints for trail intersections etc, I was disappointed to see the waypoints weren't in the GPX export file. Having to transfer them manually is too time consuming.

One of the main reasons I went with the Explorer was to be able to capture (and export) waypoints. The capturing part works well and the map screen worked well for me too, which was a pleasant surprise since it's so small. I like the fact that you can pan on the map screen (unlike my Foretrex, which doesn't pan on the map screen... Very useful).

Edited by skopeo on 08/08/2014 01:01:00 MDT.

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
Re: Re: Fees on DeLorme Invoice Declining! on 08/08/2014 06:36:27 MDT Print View

"You want to watch your DeLorme invoice closely for mistakes."....yeah, 50¢ for Test Message this month.

Edit: Acc't says they're fixing the system.

Edited by jimlarkey on 08/08/2014 08:39:51 MDT.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Re: Re: Fees on DeLorme Invoice Declining! on 08/09/2014 10:12:30 MDT Print View

Got the same 50 cent test message charge this month. Customer support couldn't explain, removed charge as a "courtesy".

Maybe a coincidence, test message happened the same day I activated a replacement inReach SE.

-- Rex

Jim Milstein
(JimSubzero) - M

Locale: New Uraniborg CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: Fees on DeLorme Invoice Declining! on 08/09/2014 11:14:50 MDT Print View

"a replacement inReach SE"

What happened, Rex? I suppose it must have failed or been damaged in some way.

Mine has been trouble free, so far. My remaining gripe is the SE's use of days of the week instead of dates. This is hardly a fatal flaw; it's a gripe. Days of the week repeat (every seven days, I think), but dates never repeat. (Not talking about my personal life!)

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
re: Replacement inReach SE on 08/09/2014 14:26:47 MDT Print View

Much too long of a thread here:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=93228

Short version: it stopped sending/receiving any kind of satellite messages. DeLorme replaced quickly.

Lesson: Test before important trips.

-- Rex