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Josh Brock

Locale: Outside
Sleeping Comfort on 03/29/2013 14:46:08 MDT Print View

Today I was at REI and made a discovery. I could be on the thickest heaviest most comfortable pad they have in the store but if I dont have a pillow under my head im not comfortable. I also found out that I could rest just fine on a Zlite as long as i had a pillow.

So what I figured out today is that "my" sleeping comfort has little do do with the pad and more to do with my pillow. This will save me weight.

Just because I would like to see what you all think about when you're getting your bed time kit- What does your sleeping comfort depend on most? why?

Ps I bought a pillow

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Sleeping Comfort on 03/29/2013 14:56:48 MDT Print View

For me the pillow is very important. Less so for my wife. YMMV


Alex H
(abhitt) - MLife

Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW
Re: Sleeping Comfort on 03/29/2013 15:04:04 MDT Print View

Pillow is critical, head has to be high enough but without enough padding under my hips and shoulders (side sleeper) the pillow becomes secondary.

Josh Brock

Locale: Outside
sleeping on 03/29/2013 15:15:03 MDT Print View

roger- I was actually surprised by this pillow thing. I never understood why I was so uncomfortable all the time. I used to try to use a stuff sack and some unused gear as a pillow but in the summer I wear all my cloths to bed so my pillow is uaually an empty back pack(not comfortable). so Im planning on getting a short closed cell ridge rest(9oz) to go with the Ul pillow I just bought. Should be really comfortable for me.

Bottom line is I always thought of a pillow as extra not needed weight.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
re comfort on 03/29/2013 15:27:11 MDT Print View

How many hours did you lie on the ZLite? That might make just a little difference.

Agree on importance of a pillow.

Josh Brock

Locale: Outside
True test on 03/29/2013 16:21:01 MDT Print View

Stephen- 8 hours......I wanted to be sure. and I like hanging out in REI. They have 50% off almost all their beanies right now.

HElinTexas C
(Helintexas) - MLife
I agree on the pillow on 03/29/2013 19:03:26 MDT Print View

I am a side sleeper as well. I CANNOT sleep well if I do not have a pillow that keeps my head relatively parallel with my spine.

I can't do it at home either. I had to go to memory foam pillow to stop having neck and shoulder aches. I currently have a thermorest pillow that works great but is kinda weighty. I am looking for one that works as well but is lighter.

I had to do a head slap when I finally bought myself a pillow and slept so much better. I was in Utah and was about to start my second bping trip of my vacation and stopped by a outdoor shop to pick up some cliff bars. I bought the pillow on a whim after being uncomfortable again the previous nights. LOVED it.

Anyone have recommendations for a pillow with good support that is ultra light, BTW?

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: I agree on the pillow on 03/29/2013 20:05:09 MDT Print View

I like the Exped (larger size).

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
I agree on the pillow on 03/30/2013 07:22:03 MDT Print View

Are we talking about a normal type pillow (bp size) or a air pillow which I find too hard? I have neck issues and usually throw my neck out more on bp trips to the point I'm in pain most of the week, but bping is something I enjoy, so it won't be given up to spare my neck pain. I find if I can keep my head level or in line with my body I'll be ok, just using gear usually does not work. I may have to gear.

Nelson Sherry

Locale: Mid-Willamette Valley
Re: I agree on the pillow on 03/30/2013 20:16:14 MDT Print View

I use anything softish I can find and put it in a stuff sack.
Inflated 2 L platapus bottle
rain gear
sun hat
unworn cloths
unused shelter/cordage
various bunches of plant matter
shoes (only as part of a bottom support layer)

Fleece is my favorite, but, I'm normally wearing it if I have it along.

What I need is a couple of inches of support with at least the top few inches soft. Heck, a rock or small log with a soft layer of cloths on top might even work although I've never tried it.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
re: True test on 03/31/2013 00:15:18 MDT Print View

Josh, you're awesome! 8 hours lying on a mat in an REI store! They should have given you the mat and pillow for free!

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: pillow for better sleep on 03/31/2013 02:10:19 MDT Print View

+1 on a pillow. I discovered it car camping when I tool a full sized pillow and slept well. I agree that a basic pad is fine if I have a good pillow.

The next step up is a hammock (and a pillow).

Alex H
(abhitt) - MLife

Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW
Re: Re: I agree on the pillow on 03/31/2013 06:06:48 MDT Print View

+1 to Nelson's style. I use the inflated 2L platy fairly often to fill the bottom of the stuff bag.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: Mind your own business
Re: Re: Re: I agree on the pillow on 03/31/2013 06:29:58 MDT Print View

I like a decent size pillow so put some clothes in an Exped Snozzle pump bag and put a buff ovef the bag.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: I agree on the pillow on 03/31/2013 09:04:02 MDT Print View

I take the Gossamer Gear sitlight pad (which doubles as the back pad for my packs that use one, and as a sit pad in camp, so more than one use!), add about a foot of another old sitlight pad (less than an ounce, and big enough for a second sit pad if you needed one), roll them up and put them in a Sea to Summit XS (2.5L) stuff sack (which is also used to carry things in, so double use). Makes a nice, firm but giving pillow that's the perfect size to keep my head in line with my spine when side sleeping, and is a great neck/head pillow when sleeping on my back. The whole thing weighs less than 3 oz., with more than 2 oz. of it pulling double duty. It gives just enough to be comfortable, but stays firm enough to keep the head/spine in line throughout the night.

Edited by idester on 03/31/2013 09:05:18 MDT.

Jim MacDiarmid
(jrmacd) - MLife
Re: Sleeping Comfort on 03/31/2013 21:25:13 MDT Print View

I ended up settling on the Montbell pillow (2.4 oz, I believe). I tried balled up insulation(ended up needing to wear to extend my UL sleep system); balled up clothing in a stuff sack(UL ethos ends up not providing for enough of either); and the platy full of water(gets really cold, I now carry mainly reused liter water bottles). I also tried the medical pillows you inflate with a straw BPL used to sell. Pro - weigh .5oz; Con - not comfortable at all. Also tried bubble wrap. Pro - light and fairly comfortable since you can kind of shape it to create chambers. Con - very bulky.

For 2.4 oz, the Montbell does the job. Chambers are the key for pillows for me.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Sleeping Comfort on 03/31/2013 21:59:40 MDT Print View

I normally sleep in all of my clothes, so I bring a pillow. I avoided bringing a pillow for the longest time until I saw a pillow at REI that only weighed around 2 oz (I had always assumed that they were heavier). It was instantly added to my pack.

Josh Brock

Locale: Outside
pillow on 04/01/2013 08:31:59 MDT Print View

I bought a cocoon hyperlite insulated pillow, its ony 2.4 ounces and is soft. I laid on it again this weekend to make sure I like the ridge rest(Turns out i had one cut already) pillow combo. I might change out the ridge rest for the Kymit short pad.(saves space but not weight).

Also picked up a half dome 2 tent, and an osprey baby carrier backpack- The tent should work really well in a footprint rain fly set up for me and my girl(3 lbs). plus I got it all for free(ish) with my dividend and the fact that I had to return a soto stove and BD trekking poles I used once and hated.

Erik Basil

Locale: Atzlan
Re: Re: Sleeping Comfort on 04/02/2013 14:29:46 MDT Print View

I am willing to carry what it takes to ensure I can sleep well. For me, this boils down to a thick air pad (currently a BA-insulated) and my "pillow", which is my down puffy, wrapped in my long-sleeve shirt and stuffed into the pillow pocket in my BA bag.

In the rare case where I know I will certainly not wear the puffy, I still carry it for pillow use. It's 13 oz. and I'm worth it. :)

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
I guess I'm old... on 04/09/2013 16:35:56 MDT Print View

I HAVE TO HAVE a pillow or I won't be able to move my head the next morning. And I need a softer pad that a foam pad (I use a BA IAC). I guess I'm getting old...