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Tony Ronco
(tr-browsing) - MLife
Loop N' Poop (aka the Strap N' Crap) on 03/21/2013 11:25:28 MDT Print View

LOL !! funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Thanks Mangus for posting!

Edited by tr-browsing on 03/21/2013 11:27:27 MDT.

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Bears do it in the woods. on 03/21/2013 11:26:03 MDT Print View

As usual, a thread about poop is enlightening, entertaining, and horrifying by turns (Purell, Ben?!?! Alcohol-based gel anywhere near a mucus membrane or orifice sounds like a recipe for regret).

Angus A.
(mangus7175) - F

Locale: http://theshadedtrail.blogspot.com
Re: Re: Engineered cat holes on 03/21/2013 11:26:49 MDT Print View

Here's another video posted by Andrew Skurka a few years back


-Backcountry Poo-Poo Clinic-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwmwxkD86Ec

Brandon =Þ
(Beeen) - MLife

Locale: California
Re: Bears do it in the woods. on 03/21/2013 11:27:22 MDT Print View

"Bear: "Good." Visual: bear grabs rabbit and wipes himself."

Heard that joke as a kid, and immediately it didn't make sense to me, because a rabbit would make very poor toilet paper if crap didn't actually stick to his fur.

Edited by Beeen on 03/21/2013 12:02:54 MDT.

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re: Re: Engineered cat holes on 03/21/2013 11:40:56 MDT Print View

If only a pinch of fertilizer is needed,

The "deposit" itself is actually fertilizer, though modern man bags it from cows and markets it as manure through ye olde' big box home improvement store. Depends on the microenvironment of the "deposit" is how fast it and any accompanying tissue decays (your own conscious and the land manager rules/regs). Leaves and stones work with hand sanitation and it's a good practice because there comes a time when one finds themselves tp-less ... but it's always good to have a "reserve" of tp/blue towel squares/etc.. in the pack just in case.

Think we can all find common sense solution but also check your land management office if "deposits" are even allowed. That would be an embarrassing ticket from a ranger...

(ed: add)

Edited by hknewman on 03/21/2013 11:43:20 MDT.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Engineered cat holes on 03/21/2013 11:49:15 MDT Print View

Ian: The pro-biotics are unnecessary. If the topsoils can support life, it is already there. Even in a sand dune, you're depositing trillions of bacteria with every dump.

I wouldn't suggest carrying fertilizer. There's a fair bit of biologically available NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium - the building blocks of DNA, proteins and enzymes) in poop and pee. If you were burying something without built-in fertilizer (paper only, clothing, gasoline in my work), then added fertilizer can make a big difference in kicking off development of a large bio mass.

Adding excess fertilizer would be a bad thing. Nitrates and nitrites are groundwater and surface water pollutants (they can lead to algae blooms in warm waters). Dissolved fertilizers can travel much further than bacteria - a well functioning septic leach field does all it's work with 2 feet of the perforated pipe, leaving no bacteria percolating deeper into the ground.

I was giving a pull-out-all-the-stops approach. Stuff I do to clean up a decades-old toxic waste site in months. For me, best backpacking practices would be:

Do it in a warm spot, mix with soil, add some water if easy. Those steps will result in many-fold faster degradation. And they weigh nothing.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Bears do it in the woods. on 03/21/2013 11:55:58 MDT Print View

>"because a rabbit would make very poor toilet paper if crap didn't actually stick to his fur."

Explaining a joke kills it, but:

It's not that rabbit fur is teflon. It's that vegan rabbit pellets aren't sticky. Omnivore bears, on the other hand. . . . Therein lies the humor, such as it was.

Brandon =Þ
(Beeen) - MLife

Locale: California
Re: Still going without tp? on 03/21/2013 11:59:54 MDT Print View

"Anyone still going w/o tp?"

Did my first few TP free trips last year, previous years I'd use Corn Lily leaves and rocks most the time, but would take a little TP for the final clean up. It was very liberating to get beyond that and not have to deal with dirty paper anymore.

My girlfriend is fighting it though, and even though I've suggested she pack it out, she only brings back paper after peeing. After pooping she comes back and says, "don't look at me like that!". I think I somewhat enabled her by mentioning in her company to backpacking friends, that if people were going to be obstinate and leave their TP in the woods, they should at least dig a separate hole for the TP and stir it up with water and dirt so it doesn't end up being recognizable if dug up.

I think she needs is a good "how to" video with a woman instructor, in order to take away all her objections that women are somehow so different to men that pooping without TP is a life threatening practice.

Edited by Beeen on 03/21/2013 12:12:48 MDT.

Brandon =Þ
(Beeen) - MLife

Locale: California
Re: Re: Re: Bears do it in the woods. on 03/21/2013 12:09:26 MDT Print View

"Explaining a joke kills it,"

When I was a kid my dad's response was, "and bears and rabbits don't talk either".

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Still going without tp? on 03/21/2013 12:27:10 MDT Print View

" It was very liberating"

Indeed. Heck, when I was a newbie back in 2004 -- my virgin overnight trip -- I wasn't scared of getting lost or getting eaten by lions -- no -- my big concern was how to do business without modern plumbing! I decided to try by going the full nine yards -- and indeed, it was most liberating. And since that trip, I've never carried TP for Business No. 2 out in the wilds. Still use TP at home though -- but followed by a wash as well.

Although in truth, this most natural of acts shouldn't be any kind of a big deal at all. Just shows how much we are prisoners of our own culture -- for better and for worse.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Every day is a learning day!! on 03/21/2013 12:49:16 MDT Print View

So lets review:

No alcohol based substances near mucus membranes.
The pee rag is NOT a myth!
TP may (or may not) be biodegradable, but it helps if its sunny and you pee in the hole
Baby wipes may (or may not) be biodegradable, but shall we assume it helps if its sunny and you pee in the hole?
Duane needs a LOT of toilet paper
Ian is very, very creative with poop
Paul would have a lot of trouble in Asia
Nate has issues
And Nick thinks all women love to wax or are actually forever 8 years old.

Very productive thread!!!!

Heather Hohnholz
(Hawke) - M
Trolling on 03/21/2013 12:53:10 MDT Print View

The single best thing about this thread:

"I think the anxiety of walking around with dirty butts is what's driving the violence in this country."

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Every day is a learning day!! on 03/21/2013 13:11:52 MDT Print View

Excellent summary!

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Southern Hair on 03/21/2013 13:13:08 MDT Print View

Not to defend Nick, but I interpreted his comment as saying that most women don't have a furry ass whereas some of us guys do...

Christopher *
(cfrey.0) - M

Locale: US East Coast
I may need a doctor on 03/21/2013 13:22:18 MDT Print View

I ran out of TP on a remote 10 day hike and was forced to go au-naturel. I had read about it. I had thought about it. I hiked with a friend who had argued for it.

In my first "session" I nearly injured myself.

For the next three days I found myself endlessly and anxiously scouring the trail at my feet as I hiked. I would spy and pick up the best, smoothest most perfectly shaped rocks set for the delicate task.

I think I wound up carrying like 6 pounds of rocks. Very well-shaped comely rocks.

So now if ever asked, all I can say is:

Air-dried baby wipes; lighter than rocks.

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: Southern Hair on 03/21/2013 13:38:20 MDT Print View

I think it was the word "shouldn't" that really jumped out at me. Maybe not intended that way by him, but it sounded like more of a value judgement, sort of like saying that guys with hairy backs are abnormal (or that guys without hairy chests are not masculine). There's a wide spectrum out there for both sexes, folks - as David said, we're all mammals!

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Southern Hair on 03/21/2013 13:59:18 MDT Print View

>" "shouldn't" really jumped out at me"

dk: it sounded like a ageist, anti-adult/fertility, pro-pedaphilia value judgement to me, too, but I lived in Northampton MA for a year. I'll make a value judgement, too:

No one of any gender should hike with stubble down there, IMO.

But I suppose the ultimate ULer of any gender would sport a crewcut for the weight savings. By cutting her waist-length hair to shoulder-length, pilot Jeana Yeager saved enough weight to give Voyager's 1986, non-stop, non-refueled flight around the world an additional 11 miles of range.

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Re: I may need a doctor on 03/21/2013 14:08:05 MDT Print View

"
I think I wound up carrying like 6 pounds of rocks. Very well-shaped comely rocks.

So now if ever asked, all I can say is:

Air-dried baby wipes; lighter than rocks."

So now you carry 6lbs of rock to cut the weight of your TP?

I now understand why hikers don't shake hands!

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
"Still going without tp?" on 03/21/2013 14:20:15 MDT Print View

So how is tearing moss off of trees to use for tp more ecologically correct than using paper? Paper is made from wood...gee, and I'm doing my business in the woods!

My guess is that we're instructed to carry out tp more because of bears digging up our poop and spreading tp around. Rangers then have to get rid of this. Definitely not their job. But if you do your business correctly and well away from any trails or camps, doesn't tp decompose pretty quickly? Or again, just burn it safely.

REI sells very compact rolls of tp with no center roll that take up very little space.

I'm afraid that going tp free is a bridge too far for me! In fact I'm going to wipe away my memory of this whole discussion!

Ian Van Halen
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: "Still going without tp?" on 03/21/2013 14:39:49 MDT Print View

Problem solved

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpads8s5mik