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Tim Klaus
(WWhermit) - F

Locale: So Cal
Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/19/2013 19:42:24 MDT Print View

I was hiking the other morning, temps about 50 degrees. The breeze was blowing just enough to bring a chill, but not nearly cold enough for my Montbell down jacket.

I have a long sleeve Cap 3 baselayer, but I'd like to keep that as a "post hike, doing chores around camp before bed" and morning shirt. Looking for something I can throw over my synthetic hiking shirt, just to take the chill off. I also have a 2oz wind shirt, but it's a little uncomfortable in short sleeves.

Any suggestions for me? I was thinking about a long sleeve Cap 2 1/4 zip shirt, but haven't found a weight for it.

Suggestions and advice are always appreciated!

shirt on 03/19/2013 19:49:46 MDT Print View

Personally, Im good in short sleeve UL shirt down into 40s. If its windy, driducks jacket goes on top. If Im still cold, I put a light fleece on. Sometimes use the fleece, and not the driducks too.

Some like to start with the long sleeve UL baselayer, and build on top of that.
But it depends on how hot its going to get. Stopping to take a long sleeve baselayer off after you warm up and the day warms up is a drag. Id rather take off something on top of a SS shirt, than have to basically change shirts.

Edited by livingontheroad on 03/19/2013 19:51:33 MDT.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/19/2013 19:56:24 MDT Print View

Stop worrying about getting dirty! If you want the weight low, something has to give and getting rid of "city notions" will lighten your load and save your wallet.

If you want to throw money at it, the only way I can see out of this is to wear a long sleeve base layer with your windshirt. I guess you could use bike rider's arm warmers. No idea what they weigh.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/19/2013 20:06:05 MDT Print View

lol +1 Dale.. he should meet a thru hiker sometime.. or walk behind one for a little while ;) Even on the Long Trail I only took 3 showers in 18 days. if you are worrying about being that clean in the woods perhaps this isn't the right sport? the only "camp" clothes i had were a pair of sleeping socks.

my arm warmers weigh 2oz FYI

Tim Klaus
(WWhermit) - F

Locale: So Cal
RE: morning shirts on 03/19/2013 20:20:06 MDT Print View

Yeah, you're right Jake. I'm probably in the wrong sport. Or, perhaps you didn't read the post. This is not about being dirty, and I live on the PCT, so yeah, I've interacted with a thru-hiker or two. We host them regularly.

The Cap 3 LS shirt is for post-hike and in case I need to wear it for extra warmth in the bag, and I'd rather not do that with a shirt I've hiked in. I know that Columbia used to sell a 100 wt fleece shirt, but haven't seen anything like that lately. That was more what I was looking for.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re:: morning shirts on 03/19/2013 20:27:13 MDT Print View

Just walk faster and you'll warm up

At least you shouldn't be sweating

David Lutz

Locale: Bay Area
"Shirt for chilly mornings" on 03/19/2013 20:30:19 MDT Print View

Sometimes I take a Patagonia Sun Hoody.

I'll change into it in camp and wash the shirt I hiked in and hang it out to dry. Sleep in the sun hoody. Then put the clean shirt back on in the morning with the sun hoody over it for the first hour or so.

Works great, nice and clean and comfortable.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/19/2013 20:32:24 MDT Print View

If I understand your question, this is for something a bit extra to wear while hiking. I really like my RAB Boreas for such things. I wear a RAB long sleeve base layer, and when it's a bit chilly (for me probably less than 50, but whatever) and/or chilly/windy, I put the Boreas on. It deflects the wind well enough (not as much as a full-on wind shirt), and breathes well. I wore it while hiking the Sierra last year and it was perfect. And it should feel fine against bare skin.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: RE: morning shirts on 03/19/2013 20:39:49 MDT Print View

You had such SUL gear listed, I thought you wouldn't want the weight.

The Mountain Hardwear MicroChill zip tee is good:,default,pd.html

I have a Sahalie Butter Fleece shirt that I like:

And the Eddie Bauer/First Ascent Cloud Layer Fleece is on sale in a few sizes:|Outerwear|Fleece-_-1067931-_-NA

Other than fleece, check out the REI Power Dry shirts. They come in two weights and zip or crew neck. I got one this winter and I live in it.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: RE: morning shirts on 03/19/2013 20:45:05 MDT Print View

"I have a long sleeve Cap 3 baselayer, but I'd like to keep that as a "post hike, doing chores around camp before bed"

you can sleep in something you've hiked in. it doesn't need to be dryer fresh. If you are going to carry it, use it for anything that it can be used for.

LT had similar conditions.. cool mornings and nights. I wore Icebreaker 200 LS until it warmed up and i switched to short sleeves. sleeping i wore Icebreaker and then smartwool sweater over that in my quilt.

Edited by JakeDatc on 03/19/2013 20:49:24 MDT.

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/19/2013 21:33:56 MDT Print View

If the windshirt works otherwise (just not with short sleeves), you could get some arm warmers. Any bike shop, including chain stores and REI, will carry synthetic ones and most will carry wool.

The Ibex Indie arm warmers are a little thinner than others and are on sale at REI:

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Wind shirt on 03/19/2013 22:55:22 MDT Print View

If you arent wearing your windshirt in this situation whats the point of bringing a windshirt? Slightly cold but not cold enough for a real layer and too warm for a rain shell. Personally I would go with the rainshell or windshell. Everything else just adds weight for what is probably just an hour a day of hiking.

Donna C
(leadfoot) - M

Locale: Middle Virginia
Re: Wind shirt on 03/20/2013 03:47:54 MDT Print View

I second the arm warmers. They work very well, especially under a Houdini-type jacket. Online running stores carry them as well, in a variety of colors and patterns.

Edited by leadfoot on 03/20/2013 03:51:06 MDT.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

You can be clean in the woods. on 03/20/2013 05:42:54 MDT Print View

Third on arm warmers. I use Smartwool ones. merino wool doesn't stink, so it satisfies the smell reservations. Contrary to Jake, I think it's totally alright to not want to smell terrible in the woods. Female hikers exist, and I plan to meet some! There's "I smell a little funky" and "I may be a dead body." I prefer the former.

Maybe Jake D uses the woods to cover a hygiene hatred... but staying reasonably clean is easy enough.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: You can be clean in the woods. on 03/20/2013 07:24:05 MDT Print View

"Female hikers exist, and I plan to meet some!"

HA, contrary to popular young male beliefs.. most women don't want guys hitting on them on the trail.

if you only do short hikes, it won't be a problem.. if you do long hikes it will be inevitable so don't worry about it.

and wearing a long sleeve baselayer once in a while while it is cooler is not going to make a shirt gross. adding extra weight so you can have a single purpose shirt is silly.

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
Sleeves on 03/20/2013 07:49:18 MDT Print View

I also like sleeves instead of carrying an full LS shirt. My Moeben sleeves weigh 2.5oz. It's nice to start out hiking with them on a cool morning & then be able to pull them off w/o removing the pack. Ditto putting them on when it cools off suddenly. I wear a SS Smartwool shirt (stink resistant), the sleeves, then have a puffy for really cold mornings in camp. Plus rain jacket. That seems to cover it.

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
comfort on 03/20/2013 09:57:23 MDT Print View

Seems to me the problem is an uncomfortable windshirt. Find one that you can wear over short sleeves and the problem is solved without adding anything to your kit.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 10:50:33 MDT Print View

+1 with Spelt. Windy and 50 degrees is perfect wind shirt territory & you're already carrying one. See if you can find one that feels better on your skin. I have (3) different wind shirts and they all feel dramatically different on my skin.

I agree with you on trying to "save" your other shirt to sleep in after a long days hiking. I've had several nights where I went to bed in the same sweat-soaked polyester shirt I hiked in all day. It sucks. A nice dry baselayer or s/s shirt sleeps much better to me.


Edited by ViolentGreen on 03/20/2013 11:04:02 MDT.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 11:02:19 MDT Print View

why would you have a sweat soaked long sleeve? presumably you would take off the long sleeve once you warmed up. you could even hang it off your pack for a bit to let it dry out if you pushed it too long and let it get sweaty. temperature control is pretty easy to manage if you try.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 11:11:24 MDT Print View

I don't have a sweat soaked long sleeve, I have a sweat soaked short sleeve. I don't usually hike in long sleeves, just short sleeve + wind shirt until into the 20's. I'm speaking from a three season perspective. Obviously sweat isn't a huge factor in colder temps if you dress properly. But, the rest of the year, 25mi days + backpack + a lot of elevation gain means I sweat quite a bit. Maybe I'm the only one.

Either way, I usually take an extra short sleeve shirt and alternate days with them. Sleep in the dry one & hike in it the next day while the other dries out. The days of taking (1) shirt for a 4-5 day trip are over for me.


Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 11:25:15 MDT Print View

Well the OP is talking about bringing 2 long sleeves and a windshirt. one to wear for a bit while it is cool in the morning and another to sleep in. presumably there would be a short sleeve in there too for the main part of the day.

for 3 season i bring 4 "tops" SS, LS, wool sweater(or down puffy), windshirt/light rain jacket. I use the sweater or puffy as my non moving insulation. The only shirt that should get sweaty is the short sleeve.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 11:31:59 MDT Print View

Yeah, I was mostly agreeing with his idea of sleeping in a dry shirt. Not necessarily his implementation(see the wind shirt advice). On another note, wow, you take a lot of tops for 3 season. Probably some room for weight savings there. :)


Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 11:56:04 MDT Print View

how many do you take? That is what i took for the Long Trail in VT and over 16 hiking days i used each one pretty much daily. long sleeve in the morning and night, short sleeve during the day, add sweater to LS for sleep at night with my apex 2.5 quilt.

My usual area, the White mtns NH weather is pretty fickle.. on my Presi traverse in a day last summer it was 80 in the valley and 50F + 50mph wind on Washington

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comfort on 03/20/2013 11:59:37 MDT Print View

Ha...I don't even know! I was just giving you crap. I hike in the East also, so probably that many or more.


Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Dale is right on 03/20/2013 12:05:53 MDT Print View

I gotta agree with dale W., don't worry about "clean" and dirty clothes. Just wear what the weather calls for.

In the situation you described I'd throw on my eVent parka.

My 3 season warm clothes are:
1.Polartec ECWCS poly zip neck T long john top (W/ gridded fleece inside) from Cabela's
2. Eddie Bauer Down Sweater (in my avatar)
3. REI Kimtah eVent parka
4. PacLite GTX rain pants

I can sleep in the long john top AND the down sweater if temps drop below 25 F.
Generally daytime travel doesn't require the use of the down sweater.
You can add a light synthetic fiber filled vest for "shoulder season" use while travelling.

Edited by Danepacker on 03/20/2013 12:28:02 MDT.

Josh Brock

Locale: Outside
The dirty on 03/20/2013 12:25:59 MDT Print View

I am a dirty person in the backcountry and dont care who knows. And as for "post hike" I am STILL dirty and dont care who knows. I just went backpacking of course I smell. I would just wear the long sleeve currently in the pack or my down sweater till warmed up then take it off. but hiking in the 50's is T-shirt and shorts weather as far as im concerned. I even hike through the showers that the sierras get with out rain gear just cause I would sweat to bad wearing rain gear in 50 degree temps while hikeing anyway.

As far as meeting women in the back country just meet women and ease them into it by buying them things. Start with patagonia clothes they love those. Then bam hit um with a backpack.

Note: Be prepared to have to join a new forum (backpacking heavy)cause you might end up carrying some(most) of her gear.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife
Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/20/2013 16:37:38 MDT Print View

The situation you describe is exactly when i practically live in my windshirt! That's what a windshirt is for, to keep out the wind and act as a lightweight wrap when it's a bit too cool for shirt sleeves. I'm allergic to sunscreen, so long sleeves are my only sun protection for my arms. If you really want to hike in the short sleeved shirt, those added sleeves would be a good idea; they'll keep bugs and sun off when needed. I agree with those who say that if your windshirt doesn't work for you in those situations, that's where you should look first--probably for a more breathable one.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Shirt for chilly mornings on 03/20/2013 17:02:03 MDT Print View

"I was hiking the other morning, temps about 50 degrees. The breeze was blowing just enough to bring a chill, but not nearly cold enough for my Montbell down jacket."

IMO, the less pieces I bring, the better. This means making each existing piece do more work. Sure, maybe it isn't THAT cold to wear a MontBell down jacket by necessity -- but will you melt away uncomfortably if you did?? Put it on. And later, as the sun shines brighter, exchange for a rain or wind jacket instead...

Edited by ben2world on 03/20/2013 17:04:13 MDT.

Tim Klaus
(WWhermit) - F

Locale: So Cal
Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/20/2013 17:13:12 MDT Print View

Lots of opinions, and much great advice given.

I have a Stoic Wraith windshirt. It weighs 2 ounces. Windshirts protect from the wind to shed off cold. If I'm in the wind, and NOT reaching for my windshirt, I think you all are spot-on, and I should be looking for a windshirt I like better! Mostly, the windshirt was put on over the Montbell jacket as an extra layer. I didn't care how it felt, because it wan't against my skin. However, if it could be doing double duty, and it isn't, well then I guess it's time to consider a replacement.

Which leads me to this....what's a good, breathable, comfortable windshirt you might suggest? For those that really find it invaluable.

I also like the idea of smartwool sleeves. I'll be checking those out as well, but will have to make the decision of which to go with.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/20/2013 17:15:28 MDT Print View

Get a Houdini.

Nathan V
(Junk) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lake State
Re: Re: Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/20/2013 18:50:08 MDT Print View

Get a Houdini. +1

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Re: Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/21/2013 10:54:02 MDT Print View

The Houdini is accepted by most to be the best(me included). Check the Gear Deals section, there are a couple posts about Houdini's for ~$60.


Brian Lindahl
(lindahlb) - MLife

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/21/2013 17:04:20 MDT Print View

Toss the short-sleeve and get a lightweight long sleeve baselayer instead, with sleeves you can roll up. Preferably zip-neck for more comfort (both cooler AND warmer than a short sleeve). Less layer changing, also.

A Cap 2 1/4 zip is a good option for this - loose enough sleeves and a great big zip. I also like the Outdoor Reserach Echo 1/4 zip shirt, or a Patagonia Merino 2 1/4 zip for cooler temperatures.

With a long sleeve, you don't have to deal with a windshirt against skin. Based on experience, if you're uncomfortable with the Stoic Wrath in short sleeves, you'll also be uncomfortable with the Houdini in short sleeves. IMO, on skin, they don't really feel that different from each other.

In warmer temperatures, when I know I won't need a windshirt, I'll switch to a loose long sleeve button up shirt - again, cooler AND warmer than a short sleeve shirt.

You use less sunscreen this way, also.

Edited by lindahlb on 03/21/2013 17:09:52 MDT.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/22/2013 11:36:12 MDT Print View

I don't do well in cold. But I am not going to carry a 2nd set of anything. Normally a base layer I hike in, shorts, bottom baselayer when needed, a windshirt and a puffy (which I rarely hike in).

On one trip we had unexpected high winds and temps down near freezing when we started off in the morning. I wore my windshirt under the puffy so it the puffy would not get damp. Cap 1's under my shorts. I was wearing every piece of clothing I had brought... and it worked... no extra unneeded weight. After an hour or so I removed most of the clothes. Yes, I was warm at the start and I had to stop to change... not a big deal to me to stop for 60 seconds and remove layers. If I am moderately cold in the morning I suck it up for about 15 minutes and then everything equalizes.

fashion statement
Fashion Statement

Short sleeve mesh baselayer
Montbell Ex UL vest

Cap 1
Patagonia Baggies

eVent baseball cap
wool glove liners

jim logan
(jim_logan) - MLife
Arm Warmers on 03/23/2013 11:03:27 MDT Print View

Here I go again. Arm warmers make a short-sleeved shirt a long-sleeved one; stunningly, it does the reverse, too. They are especially useful for reconfiguring your attire while moving, lessening or increasing warmth is simple and easy. I prefer wool to lycra, and Smartwool warmers are quite acceptable.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Chilly morning lead to decisions... on 03/23/2013 18:27:52 MDT Print View

"Which leads me to this....what's a good, breathable, comfortable windshirt you might suggest? For those that really find it invaluable."

My favorite is the Haglofs Shield.

josh wagner
(StainlessSteel) - F
driclime on 03/23/2013 20:49:29 MDT Print View

perhaps the marmot driclime would be a better suited windshirt for your situation. it has a membrane on the inside of the windshirt that is almost like a wicking fleece, but not so thick and heavy. pretty breathable and comfortable enough on the arms...

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: driclime on 03/24/2013 00:04:57 MDT Print View

+1 on the Driclime suggestion.