What pack do you recommend for this gear?
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Drew Jay
(drewjh) - F

Locale: Central Coast
Arc/Bear can on 03/27/2013 01:44:13 MDT Print View

Yeah, the perspective is really skewed in that picture... There is a crossbar between the two stays that is 11" up from the bottom of the pack (measured along the curve.) The Bv450 cannot fit below that point because the crossbar cuts into the total diameter of the pack. In the picture I have my quilt, Neoair and shelter under the can which fills up to the crossbar. What you are seeing above the can is the top 6" of the pack plus the open/unrolled collar.

I re-packed my Arc just now with the BV450 at the very top and based on that I think you will have no problem whatsoever fitting the Scout in a standard Arc.

I think the Weekender would work too if Joe built more diameter into the top of the pack bag. There isn't quite enough width/diameter in the stock bag for a 10.5" long can. Also, the stays are spaced 10.5" apart so the bottom of the can will engage them a bit which will further reduce diameter. For the Weekender I would in addition recommend some extra length in the top collar, and also buckles on each side to close the pack (the dry bag style closure reduces available space at the top when closed.) If I were ordering an Arc today the most important change I would make is an extra 2" or so of collar length - with my gear I've had trouble getting it closed on occasion.

Forgot to say - with my BV450 packed horizontally at the very top, the midline/widest point of the can is level with the haul loop, that should help you picture it.

Edited by drewjh on 03/27/2013 03:14:20 MDT.

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
"What pack do you recommend for this gear?" on 03/27/2013 10:06:43 MDT Print View

Love the Scout for horizontal packing reasons--much better than the Weekender if you can carry enough food. I get six days without re-packaging--just!
I can "just" get a Weekender horizontal in my GG Mariposa.

I have some lower back issues as well; I'm an outlier on this forum for using an external--only 2 1/2 lbs!--for weight transfer to my hips, off of my shoulders/spine. Also, I find that my "external" (a modified Mariposa) just carries a canister far more comfortably than a lightweight internal. But I'm the minority here in thinking that the weight penalty trade off is worth it.

Edited by book on 03/27/2013 10:08:15 MDT.

Josh Brock
(needsAbath)

Locale: Outside
bear canisters? on 03/27/2013 10:33:48 MDT Print View

This might be a stupid question but how come you guys want your canister in your pack. I strap it to the top of GG gorilla(I have the old version)it has an extendable buckle that goes over the top into the back pocket. but having viewed a lot of the packs reconmended I see that they also would have similar capabilities. you would think by attaching your canister to the outside you could get a smaller pack. This would inturn reduce pack weight.

Since I have one and love it I suggest a gorilla. You should have no problem getting the listed gear in that pack.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Arc/Bear can on 03/27/2013 10:56:14 MDT Print View

Thanks Drew... your last post paints a pretty clear picture of the Arc Blast relative to bear canister packing...

But I'm wondering if you could expand a bit on this part of your post:

"For the Weekender I would in addition recommend some extra length in the top collar, and also buckles on each side to close the pack (the dry bag style closure reduces available space at the top when closed.) If I were ordering an Arc today the most important change I would make is an extra 2" or so of collar length - with my gear I've had trouble getting it closed on occasion."

I had already wondered about the amount of space the dry bag style closure would eat up... so thanks for confirming my suspicion. But can you give me a better picture of what you mean by, "buckles on each side to close the pack"?

I'm not sure how that would look... or work. Are you suggesting that after rolling the dry bag style closure the buckles are snapped to a side mounted mate instead of to eachother? And if so, how would this reduce lost space?

Thanks
Bill Davidson

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Arc/Bear can on 03/27/2013 13:17:50 MDT Print View

Drew... since you have one of these Arc Blast packs can you tell me,

1) is there any padding in the pack to protect your back from hard objects? I did not notice any in your photo.

2) how is the waist belt? is it comfortable? at what total weight?

3) I have the 'no hips problem'... pack belts tend to slide down past my hips no matter how tight I cinch the belt putting unwanted weight on my shoulders, but some worse than others... with this concern in mind, it looks like both the lumbar area of the pack and the waist belt are made of cuben fiber... which is slick... so seems to me it might be MORE likely than other packs to slide past my hips.... and put weight on my shoulders. What has been your experience Drew?

thanks again,

Bill Davidson

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Re: Re: Arc/Bear can on 03/27/2013 14:18:10 MDT Print View

William, I don't have the Arc Blast, but I do have the Exo and Zero, which I believe have the same hip belt.
The hip belt is cuben hybrid, not pure cuben. I haven't found it to be too slick, but it probably depends on what you're wearing. I, too, have narrow hips and found that the belt on the didn't connect too well at the outside of the back (my frame isn't broad enough). On the Zero, I got Joe to attach the belt an inch more towards the center of the back and it fits great, nice and snug. I also got both belts made a little shorter than the standard short belt as I have had other packs where I couldn't cinch the belt tight enough.
Hope this helps.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Re: Re: Arc/Bear can on 03/27/2013 14:46:42 MDT Print View

Interesting William.

So did you get Joe to move the pack belt attachments inward on you Exo? Can they do that?

Sounds like we've had similar issues with no hips and belts too long.

Bill

Drew Jay
(drewjh) - F

Locale: Central Coast
Side closures on 03/27/2013 17:40:13 MDT Print View

"that after rolling the dry bag style closure the buckles are snapped to a side mounted mate instead of to each other?"

Exactly. It would give more space if the mating buckles were sewn a bit higher or were attached to bit of adjustable webbing. The standard arrangement tapers the bag at the top when closed and would be an issue if you were trying to close it over an object like the Weekender which takes up the whole length and width of the top collar.

In a rush at the moment but I will check in later to answer about the hip belt and post some pics of my Arc with the BV450 packed on top.

Edited by drewjh on 03/27/2013 17:42:02 MDT.

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
hat pack do you recommend for this gear?" on 03/27/2013 19:46:11 MDT Print View

Personally I find strapping a bear canister full of food to the top of my pack is...awkward. Especially on a frameless pack.

William Chilton
(WilliamC3) - MLife

Locale: Antakya
Hip belt on 03/28/2013 14:26:21 MDT Print View

I didn't get the hip belt moved on the Exo. While it is probably possible to have it moved, the amount of stitching needing to be ripped out to reattach the belt would weaken the pack somewhat, I imagine. Also, the hip belt is fine for me as it is until the load gets towards the packs limits, such as on a week+ long trip without resupply and when carrying a lot of water so it doesn't seem worth changing. If you're getting a new pack, however, it's worth considering. The custom setting certainly works for me on the Zero, and I'll definitely get any future packs done the same.

Drew Jay
(drewjh) - F

Locale: Central Coast
Belated response on 04/18/2013 05:35:32 MDT Print View

"1) is there any padding in the pack to protect your back from hard objects? I did not notice any in your photo."

The Arc doesn't have built in padding but the load is carried away from your back so it isn't needed.


"2) how is the waist belt? is it comfortable? at what total weight?"

Prior to the Arc I was using a Granite Gear Vapor Trail which has a super cushy waistbelt. I was a little suspicious of the Arc belt when I first got it as it looked flimsy compared to the VT. I was wrong though - it works very well and is quite comfortable. The most I have carried in the Arc is 25lbs.


"3) I have the 'no hips problem'... pack belts tend to slide down past my hips no matter how tight I cinch the belt putting unwanted weight on my shoulders, but some worse than others... with this concern in mind, it looks like both the lumbar area of the pack and the waist belt are made of cuben fiber... which is slick... so seems to me it might be MORE likely than other packs to slide past my hips.... and put weight on my shoulders. What has been your experience Drew?"

I don't have the no hip problem, but I think the Arc will work better than you'd suspect. The greatest advantage of this pack IMO is that the arced frame transfers the weight to the small of your back at a downward AND inward angle instead of straight down. This tends to keep things in place.

Pics of the Arc with a BV450 packed at the very top:

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