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Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 14:15:10 MST Print View

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/travel/tsa-carry-on-changes/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 14:17:09 MST Print View

Maybe I can find a folding machete.

--B.G.--

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 14:26:32 MST Print View

"Maybe I can find a folding machete."

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Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Great News -- And the Return of Sanity on 03/05/2013 14:42:05 MST Print View

I always carry on my hiking pack. Until now, I do have to check my hiking poles and blade into a cardboard tube. Looks like I will soon be able to dispense with the entire baggage check and claim process!

Jeremy B.
(requiem) - F

Locale: Northern California
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 14:46:41 MST Print View

Takes effect April 25, useful items include small swiss army knives, trekking poles, and Wiffle bats. A locking blade is still verboten; do the blades on the mini leatherthings lock?

(I like the idea of carrying a Wiffle bat for security.)

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 15:50:04 MST Print View

Golf balls and tube socks?

Whack! Wiffle bat boy.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 15:55:36 MST Print View

you can remove the locking ring on Opinels and put it back on after :) though my #6 is 7cm so that might get picked up.

Edited by JakeDatc on 03/05/2013 15:57:09 MST.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 16:17:23 MST Print View

A locking blade is still verboten; do the blades on the mini leatherthings lock?"

Leatherman tools were believed to be used by two of the 911 hijackers they said in the article. They are probably considered
assault knives.

I wonder if Wenger and Victorinox sent some PAC money in?

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - M

Locale: Where the air is thin
Cricket bats on 03/05/2013 16:51:08 MST Print View

Hmm, last time golf clubs, hockey sticks and the like were allowed in the cabin was long before the airlines started charging for checked baggage. Have the geniuses in the TSA actually seen the average aircraft's overhead bins 2/3 of the way through the boarding process? Good luck being able to shove in a rollaboard when some dufus before you has brought on sporting equipment.

What's the chance that the airlines will find a way to introduce a surcharge for anyone bringing sporting equipment on board?

I do find it amusing to see one item in particular listed on the TSA site as a prohibited item (emphasis below is mine) -

"Full-size baseball, softball and cricket bats are prohibited items in carry-on luggage and must be placed in checked baggage."

Aside from annoying the heck out of the sizable H1-B visa holding Indian population working in the IT industry, who else is going to know what on earth the sport of cricket is?

Edited by lotuseater on 03/05/2013 16:52:02 MST.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Cricket bats on 03/05/2013 17:03:41 MST Print View

"Aside from annoying the heck out of the sizable H1-B visa holding Indian population working in the IT industry, who else is going to know what on earth the sport of cricket is?"

Be careful there. Besides the natives of India and Pakistan, there are more from Jamaica and similar Commonwealth places. In the summer, the cricket match is held on a sports field about one hundred yards from my place.

--B.G.--

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 17:21:54 MST Print View

>"Takes effect April 25, useful items include small swiss army knives"

Cool, so only another 29 flights before I can bring my Victorinox Classic with me.

I remember, not long after 9-11, the flight attendant was handing our summer sausage snacks in really thick shrink-wrap. And apologizing to every row of seats, "I'm sorry." "Yes, I know, you can't open it.", "No, I don't have a knife either", and "I've only got these plastic knifes to hand out."

So are now allowed to play cricket in the center aisle as long as we use plastic whiffle bats?

I suspect they still won't allow some kinds of bats on board (Mexican free-tailed, for instance). I asked, at one point, and for a valid reason, about rats in the cabin and there seems to be a "other passengers would freak the hell out" rule about rats, snakes, etc.

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - M

Locale: Where the air is thin
Re: RE: Cricket bats on 03/05/2013 17:29:18 MST Print View

@Bob - My comment was tongue-in-cheek, no offense intended. I'm a Brit, by the way, and we are used to being on the receiving end of superior cricketing skills from former colonies. It just tickled my fancy that - of all sports to highlight - someone in the TSA thought to include cricket.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 17:30:21 MST Print View

David:

Wow... you fly A LOT!?! What do yo do (if you don't mind the question)?

Just last year, I got a teeny tiny (2 inch) scissors confiscated at a Malaysian airport. Sigh...

Edited by ben2world on 03/05/2013 17:31:15 MST.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 18:19:23 MST Print View

Ben: I live in the subarctic but most of my toxic-waste job sites are in the 48 states. I can get anywhere in 3 flights, but it takes me 3 flights to get anywhere. Coming up in the next month, I've got: a trip to NYC, Father/8-year-old daughter road trip to Vegas during Spring Break (not for the white-trash culture, but for the rock climbing in Red Rock Canyon and the $30/night hotel rooms), a day of safety training in LA, escorting the middle-school math team I coach to State Finals (700 miles away), and then a meeting with a client and the project manager in LowCal. I'm only at 8,000 miles YTD but March is about to pick up. Most years end up with about 3x round the world (80,000 miles-ish).

Not scheduled yet, but likely very soon, is pilot testing some remedial technology at a gasoline spill site at the Denver Airport and, hopefully, escorting teenager mathematicians to the National competition in DC in early May. But apparently, I can bring a penknife for that trip!

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 18:35:03 MST Print View

http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf/tsa_permitted_items_update.pdf

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/05/2013 18:58:48 MST Print View

So no Evo handled Wengers. Molded grip.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
check on 03/05/2013 19:56:14 MST Print View

I wonder how much money the airlines will lose by not having to check things?

Twice, I have showed up at the airport (wife dropped me off) with a small pocket knife and I had to check my bag I was going to carry on, because no way was i going to give it to them.

I know my employer at least, has spent an extra $100 to check my $10 pocket knife.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Great News -- And the Return of Sanity on 03/05/2013 20:09:54 MST Print View

It will be interesting to see what one will have to do to store "ski poles", meaning where to put them and what if not very compact? They don't mention size restrictions such as fixed length or other.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Great News -- And the Return of Sanity on 03/05/2013 20:21:20 MST Print View

If i remember i think many overhead bins have holes in the back for longer items to fit through multiple sections.. Though I will bet most skiers will pack their poles with their skis in ski bags.

Nick Larsen
(stingray4540) - F

Locale: South Bay
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 01:21:48 MST Print View

Finally!

It appears they are measuring from the handle though, and not the blade itself, which would put me EDC Case just over the limit. Looks like I'll need to pick up a peanut for flying...

Seriously though, molded handles?! How the he77 does that make a knife more dangerous?!
And no razor blades or box cutters?! How are those going to cause any more damage than any other knife of the same size?

Lastly, I don't quite understand the width restriction either, although it doesn't bother me as much.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 01:36:19 MST Print View

A 1/2 inch wide knife?
I have only seen a 1/2 inch wide blade once, and that was a very large kukri.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 11:50:00 MST Print View

width as in edge to spine... see the graphic on the PDF shown on the leftmost swiss army knife's blade.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 11:56:23 MST Print View

Its only a matter of time before some whacko decides to try something stupid with a small blade. Sure, this is great for the normal people who would rather weigh backpacking gear in grams and put them on a spreadsheet, but it only takes one nutjob...

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 12:16:46 MST Print View

Not to get too philosophical over this -- but the "it only takes one nutjob" is exactly the idiotc mindset that bureaucrats fall for time and again. Doing nothing will exact a terrible cost. But doing something will exact some cost as well. The proper thing is to weigh the cost of safeguards against the benefits so the process does not become counter productive.

Is one incident too many? Then imagine if we apply that mindset to automobiles. Imagine banning cars after one nutjob drag race.

My beef is still with the stupid decision to make EVERYONE take off their shoes just because of one idiot terrorist wannabe.

Edited by ben2world on 03/06/2013 12:17:48 MST.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 12:27:30 MST Print View

If I had to fight someone to the death, I would rather have a large blunt object like a stainless steel water bottle instead of a wimpy little non locking folding knife that is going to close on my fingers when I try to stab someone. Even a pair of pointy scissors is going to do more damage.
Seriously, a small non locking folding knife is not a deadly weapon.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 12:49:13 MST Print View

knitting needles have been allowed for a very long time.. and you should not piss off a knitter ;) But they are generous people and would probably lend you a needle to fight someone with a tiny knife.

:waves: Hi Kat! haha

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 13:31:18 MST Print View

Justin:

If they won't let you bring real weapons, chances are whoever you're fighting with won't be armed either. So, put down the water bottle, quit whining, and fight like a man! :)

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 03/06/2013 20:48:17 MST Print View

I'll just stab em with a trekking pole!

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Sports equpment in the overhead? on 03/06/2013 23:03:17 MST Print View

Any time someone not in my seating area puts something in "my" overhead bin, leaving me no space, OUT it goes! That bin is ONLY for my seat grouping. Period.

I've even told flight attendants that and every one of them has agreed - so far.
Really pisses off those who brought too much "carry on". Whaaaaa! Whaaaaa!

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
What would Michael do? on 03/07/2013 00:01:35 MST Print View

KNIFE FIGHT

Edited by Konrad1013 on 03/07/2013 00:07:58 MST.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Sports equpment in the overhead? on 03/07/2013 01:50:48 MST Print View

I'm with you Eric. Poaching overhead space on your way to the back of the bus puts your luggage at risk of (me) placing it in the aisle (and therefore it being gate checked at the last minute).

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Overhead bins. on 03/07/2013 02:03:16 MST Print View

They are dangerous.
Overhead bins are dangerous.

Edited by justin_baker on 03/07/2013 02:03:52 MST.

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Small knives are not a risk on 03/07/2013 07:32:29 MST Print View

Small knives and weapons aren't a danger for planes anymore. The reason 9-11 worked with box cutters was that the mindset when hi jacked was to ride it out, get flown to libya, sit in the plane for a few days, then get released without harm. So there was no reason to fight a hijacker when by being calm and riding it out gave you the best chance of survival.

If the terrorists of 9-11 tried that again today they wouldn't get near the cockpit. It only took a phone call and a few hours after the first impact for flight 93 to fight back. And that plane only crashed because the terrorists already took control of the cockpit.

So post 9-11 the attitude toward hijacking as changed and therefore small weapons are safe. The explosive risk is still there and agree with the TSA that it should be the focus.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Precious Bin Space on 03/07/2013 13:10:42 MST Print View

"I'm with you Eric. Poaching overhead space on your way to the back of the bus puts your luggage at risk of (me) placing it in the aisle (and therefore it being gate checked at the last minute)."

People seem to do that routinely. You know, a row 28 seat or higher, but folks slip their bags into the first available bin space they see regardless (like row #4)! I've never seen even a mildly discouraging look from any of the flight attendants.

But that aside, all the times that I have boarded onto airplanes, I've always managed to find some overhead bin space within 1 or 2 rows of my seat.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment on 04/22/2013 19:03:17 MDT Print View

From CNN...

"The U.S. government is delaying the implementation of a rule that would again permit passengers to carry small knives on commercial flights.

Three days before the rule was to have taken effect, the Transportation Security Administration said it would consider additional input from a group that includes aviation-related interests and law enforcement experts."

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
No knives, after all on 04/22/2013 20:48:36 MDT Print View

Per the LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-tsa-to-delay-allowing-small-knives-on-planes-20130422,0,3679780.story
this also includes ski/trekking poles and other items for which they'd planned to relax the rules.

And if my 1860's dress isn't quite finished in time, I won't be able to sew it on the plane to the Gettysburg 150th Anniversary, unless I cut the thread with my teeth (which aren't that sharp!). Ah, well, it's a red-eye flight anyway, so I should be sleeping.

Edited by hikinggranny on 04/22/2013 20:52:46 MDT.

Nick Larsen
(stingray4540) - F

Locale: South Bay
Re: No knives, after all on 04/22/2013 21:43:16 MDT Print View

Delayed?! OMG people are so ignorant!

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Re No knives after all on 04/22/2013 21:54:09 MDT Print View

One option might be to stop by a walmart and buy whatever $5-$10 knife they have just for the one trip. It would be cheaper then checking a bag, even if you also had to buy tent pegs there you'd still come out ahead.

Christopher Gutwein
(syntax) - MLife
Soon Hopefully on 04/23/2013 08:53:10 MDT Print View

I hope we can eventually carry the small ones again even though the delay looks like it'll stay in the same now. Until then, I'm OK with checking. Put it in a side pocket, grab it as soon as you get your baggage when you land...if you get your baggage.

Edited by syntax on 04/23/2013 08:53:40 MDT.

Brian Lewis
(brianle) - F

Locale: Pacific NW
For me it's about the poles on 04/23/2013 10:59:50 MDT Print View

"One option might be to stop by a walmart and buy whatever $5-$10 knife they have just for the one trip."

Certainly a good idea. If you feel that you really need a knife at all, and have time and transportation to get to a walmart or the like, if such a store is in the vicinity of your destination.

For me, however, I'll still be checking baggage so that I can have trekking poles. I'm not inclined to hope that I can buy and then later give away a cheap and heavy set of poles at my destination.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: TSA to allow pocketknives, some sports equipment NOT! on 06/05/2013 20:19:57 MDT Print View

Dropped the idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/tsa-scuttles-plan-allow-small-knives-planes-6C10212322