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Ray Jardine examines Cuben Fiber
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USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Cuben Pirates on 03/19/2013 19:32:59 MDT Print View

The sail maker is located a little south of where I work during the week. Maybe a late night foray is in order or I can do some dumpster diving.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
... on 03/19/2013 19:52:01 MDT Print View


Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Cuben Pirates on 03/19/2013 19:59:20 MDT Print View

Cuben pirates, ahoy!!

Edited by ben2world on 03/19/2013 20:10:30 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Cuben Privates on 03/19/2013 21:00:05 MDT Print View

What is all of this talk about Cuben Privates?

I keep my pants on so my privates don't show.


Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Cuben Privates on 03/19/2013 21:11:11 MDT Print View

Cuben underwear? Bob, You're tougher than I thought. Don't EVEN want to think about getting your Cuben knickers in a twist.



Edited by dwambaugh on 03/19/2013 21:11:47 MDT.

Ken T.
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: All up in there
Re: Cuben Privates on 03/19/2013 21:13:20 MDT Print View

Is that a taught pitch, or are you glad to see me?

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Re: Re: Cuben Privates on 03/19/2013 21:51:14 MDT Print View

Bob if i had your privates i wouldnt show them either.

;) (Obv)

Jeffrey McConnell
Dumpster diving on 03/19/2013 23:00:07 MDT Print View

Hmmm, dumpster diving might not be a bad idea. I bet I live pretty close to some sailmakers...

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Condensation, cubern vs silnylon on 03/20/2013 08:12:41 MDT Print View

My limited perception as to why cuben seesm to suffer less from condensation has more to do with the surface finish.

Silnylin is more porous and so water tends to cling to the shelter wall.

Cuben is very slick/hydrophobic and so water tends to run off quicker and not cling.

I have not actually tested this though. Just from observation.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Condensation, cubern vs silnylon on 03/20/2013 08:48:42 MDT Print View

You know that's a good point. My first silnylon tent shocked me the first time I was seriously rained on...that tent had to have weighed 5 pounds!! I shook it and shook it and could NOT get the water off. At first I thought there was something wrong with my DWR...

My hexamid, on the other hand, seems nearly dry with one or two good shakes in the am, even if I was rained on overnight.

I like your observation

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Condensation, cubern vs silnylon on 03/20/2013 11:29:08 MDT Print View

Thank you for the info Jennifer, good to know I won't gain any weight to speak of with my new Hexamid, which should be down at the Post Office after a slight mix up.

Susan Papuga
(veganaloha) - M

Locale: USA
Re: Re: Cuben Privates on 04/02/2013 19:45:56 MDT Print View


I just love Emily Litella!

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: Cuben Privates on 04/02/2013 19:50:01 MDT Print View

Hhahahahahahahaha Susan!!!!!

We need MORE violins on television!!!!!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cuben Privates on 04/02/2013 20:02:08 MDT Print View

What's all this FUSS I keep hearing... about endangered feces?


Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Ray Jardine.... hmmm... on 04/09/2013 13:42:44 MDT Print View

After being highly disappointed with Ray's last book I promptly donated it to my library. I didn't learn anything useful in it beyond training for a long distance trip.

Therefore what Ray has to say about Cuben fabric could not interest me less.

Now Andrew Skurka's opinion is another matter entirely.There is a man worth listening to.

Gerry Brucia
(taedawood) - MLife

Locale: Louisiana, USA
Ray Jardine's packs on 03/02/2015 16:11:39 MST Print View

In this and other threads there is a lot of lively talk about the value (or lack thereof) of Jardine's opinions. What I would like to know from BPL folks is this...

1. Has anyone used one of his pack kits or know of anyone who has?

2. When hiking any of the big three...AT, PCT, CDT...have you ever encountered anyone using one of Jardine's packs?

The reason I ask is if you have sewing skills, they are really inexpensive and pretty darn light. I am not sure I would want one for a thru hike but they might be worth having for a UL trip.

What do y'all think?


George Fraizer
(gfraizer13) - F - M

Locale: Wasatch
Ray who? on 03/03/2015 07:27:18 MST Print View

I went to the page in question and one of the first things I saw was a magazine article that started with "A god to climbers and ultralight backpackers alike..." I didn't need to see anymore.

Honestly, the guy has done some impressive stuff, and there is always room to learn in life. But to think that if I found some good advice on his site and followed it then I am doing things the "Ray-Way" , well screw that.

Edited by gfraizer13 on 03/03/2015 07:37:53 MST.

Mark Ferwerda
(mnferwerda) - MLife

Locale: Maryland
Re: Ray Jardine's packs on 03/03/2015 09:21:43 MST Print View

I've never used his packs as my shoulders don't like that much pressure. But I have built several tarps using his kits and I really like them a lot. The umbrella is a great idea too, very useful here in the east.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife

Re: cuben on 03/03/2015 09:45:25 MST Print View

MB: he compares 1.35 silnylon to 0.51 cuben, a factor of 2.5 x lighter material. Why doesnt he compare it to 0.74 or 1.0 or 1.4 cuben? Because he would look foolish, thats why. Those materials, although lighter or equal to silnylon still, are much much stronger than the 0.51.

Most important post within this thread.

Rick Adams
(rickadams100) - M
Re: Re: Ray Jardine's packs on 03/03/2015 09:46:18 MST Print View

I've made and used one. I have rudimentary sewing skills, it took a loooong time to make and frameless isn't for me, though I didn't know it then. One could make the thing with some hardware store aluminum stays and an aftermarket hipbelt and maybe shoulder staps and have a functional if frankensteinish pack.

Ray is a paranoid nut job, his wife Jenny is a nice lady who balances out his abrasiveness.