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Carter Hunt
(TheChamp) - F

Locale: Portland, OR
"The Finest Down Parka Ever" (Patagonia) on 03/01/2013 10:45:18 MST Print View

It's here!

http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/patagonia-encapsil-down-belay-parka?sssdmh=dm23.153895&p=84645-0-065&src=030113_mi1&dmmid=131400942

Observations:
- Quite the price point
- Looks they are each numbered with a limited edition tag?
- No down fill numbers
- Lighter than I expected
- Made in China despite the "Ventura, CA" tag (no surprise here)
- One color choice

Who's buying one?

Babak Sakaki
(persianpunisher) - F
Look at the other thread... on 03/01/2013 11:04:15 MST Print View

There is already a thread about the fill weight of this jacket...

Kevin Buggie
(kbuggie) - M

Locale: NW New Mexico
better way to clean it.... on 03/01/2013 11:12:22 MST Print View

I read this on Patagonia's care instructions link for the encapsil parka:

"We use a more effective and environmentally sound way to clean Encapsil down: The NexWashâ„¢ liquid carbon dioxide (CO2) process that cleans gently and thoroughly without soaps or detergents, removing oils and bacteria without the need for heat or long, energy-intensive dryer cycles...."

Do any other companies like WM, FF, etc... use cleaning technologies (like the liquid CO2 above, or other) that are vastly different from what normal people have available at the laundry mat for cleaning down?

Any insights or is Patagonia way ahead of the curve on down maintenance too?

Babak Sakaki
(persianpunisher) - F
Some video reviews/unboxing on 03/01/2013 11:15:10 MST Print View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HE211VR8yA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDhEOHwPP3Q

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: "The Finest Down Parka Ever" (Patagonia) on 03/01/2013 11:43:59 MST Print View

$700 is obscene.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
cleaning on 03/01/2013 12:03:14 MST Print View

whats the point of something you need to send it to have "specially cleaned" ... wasnt one of the attractions of this nanotech supposed to be that the DWR was more durable than other down DWRs?

do they pay for the shipping as well as the cleaning?

i wear my EB and mammut down jackets every day in the winter to save on heating costs ... and i can wash em just fine myself ... can i do this with the $700 jacket?

dave e
(hipass) - F

Locale: Los Angeles
Re: Re: "The Finest Down Parka Ever" (Patagonia) on 03/02/2013 02:19:33 MST Print View

what part of Pata-gucci do you not comprehend? :)

I really like their products and their mission -you can depend on the quality and viability of the product. I never pay retail for patagucci-i buy them on sac,ebay or thrift stores.

Edited by hipass on 03/02/2013 03:03:01 MST.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Re: Re: "The Finest Down Parka Ever" (Patagonia) on 03/02/2013 16:05:07 MST Print View

Well the Patagonia Japan allotment has already sold out and I bet there will be several hundred of these seen in/around Everest base camp in the coming months.

I've seen old Golite daypacks sell on auction for more than $1000 I assume to collectors, so I don't see why folks are ragging on about the price, especially since it comes with what essentially a free lifetime service warranty over and above Patagonia's already excellent satisfaction guaranteed policy.

Being a limited 1000 piece production run, an individually numbered jacket will certainly lend itself to collector popularity. In a few years, I bet we will see posts here speculating which numbers are "best" and thus worth more due to micro details in production or what famous personality wore it. As with the Google IPO, I will wager $700 is the lowest price we will ever see for this jacket.

That said, Patagonia has already indicated they plan on pushing Encapsil into the rest of the down product line so cheaper jackets are a certainty. I hope so, since this jacket is actually too warm for the typical winter conditions I expect/want to hike in.

Actually, I hope they start making sleeping bags with this stuff too. The only question is if more reasonably priced Encapsil products will also offer free cleaning services or will they turn that into the profit center, like blades for your razor or ink for your printer.

Edited by rmjapan on 03/02/2013 16:07:35 MST.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: "The Finest Down Parka Ever" (Patagonia) on 03/02/2013 16:10:06 MST Print View

"Who's buying one?"

Me. Just because.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Finest Down Parka Ever" (Patagonia) on 03/02/2013 16:39:36 MST Print View

Obviously, serial number "111" is the best, because that stitching/ink weighs less than any other number "001" through "999".

$699 is more than you spent on your first X automobiles?

For me, X=3.

David LaRue
(Phaedrus) - F

Locale: Chicagoland
Wow - XL & L already sold-out on 03/02/2013 17:05:33 MST Print View

Wow - XL & L already sold-out

They must be in high demand.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Wow - XL & L already sold-out on 03/02/2013 17:24:38 MST Print View

In the overall scheme of things, it's actually a good deal. Whomever buys it will essentially get "free" use for as long they own it since Patagonia is essentially promising to keep it "like new" and chances are good that a limited edition that it will almost certainly hold its price in a collectors market.

I think the only value risk is if Nisley comes back with a test declaring Encapsil down to be less than claimed that goes viral on the web. Worst case then is you have a "normal" 800FP down jacket made to exacting standards with free lifetime laundry and repair services.

Edited by rmjapan on 03/02/2013 17:49:28 MST.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
"collectors" on 03/02/2013 17:52:33 MST Print View

so how many of these "collectors" is going to use the thing to its limit daily?

or is it something one pulls out for the occasional dog trotting ;)

again ... one of the supposed attractions of this nano-down is that its more durable ... what happens if it gets washed normally?

Serge G.
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
wow on 03/03/2013 06:13:44 MST Print View

I tried one of these on in the store today, and was super impressed. One of the nicest garments that I've seen--design, fit and finish are pretty much perfect. The baffles are fluffy and dense throughout the jacket, which makes it feel like wearing a warm sleeping bag. I don't have $700 to spend, but this jacket is good enough to make me wish I did. If you're a frequent winter climber/adventurer and planned on having this as your cold weather parka for the indefinite future, I could see justifying it. Personally, I hate washing/drying down gear. Its expensive, a pain in the ass, and easy enough to do it wrong. I'd love to have a lifetime cleaning service that came with my down gear.

I was surprised and disappointed to see they used a one way zip. I'm sure they'll get a lot of flack for this as its pretty much expected in a belay parka. My hope is that they correct this and come out with a cheaper non-limited edition next year. Supposedly patagonia is developing a 1200 fill power with the same tech. Hmmm...

Eric, I know this garment is the perfect sounding board for your anti-elitist elitism, but give it a rest. You've made your point.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: wow on 03/03/2013 06:49:40 MST Print View

Hi Serge,

How did it look compared
To the Brooks Range Mojave?

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Keeping Things Into Perspective on 03/03/2013 06:56:32 MST Print View

RN 2009 Laboratory Measured lclo (modified)

Serge G.
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
no comparison on 03/03/2013 07:24:29 MST Print View

Hi stephen, the patagonia is a lot loftier & a lot denser than the mojave. It feels like they packed a 30 degree sleeping bag into a a perfectly fitting upper body peice. The cut/design/finish are in a different league.

Edited by sgiachetti on 03/03/2013 07:26:08 MST.

Tom Lyons
(towaly) - F

Locale: Smoky Mtns.
meh on 03/03/2013 08:21:41 MST Print View

I have nothing against this jacket or its price.

It's simply nothing that I would consider buying.
Maybe as the future unfolds, and prices come down to normal levels, I might consider it.
I've lived all my outdoor life with regular down, and it has worked out just fine.

I think a Ferrari is cool too, but I'm not going to ever buy one.

Eventually, after the hype is gone, they are going to realize that they will have to sell these things for prices people can afford.
I might consider one at that time.

Tim Drescher
(timdcy) - M

Locale: Gore Range
Re: wow on 03/03/2013 08:50:20 MST Print View

"I tried one of these on in the store today, and was super impressed."

Was hoping to do the same, but was told the only Patagonia stores that have them on-shelf are in Boulder and NYC.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: wow on 03/03/2013 09:46:45 MST Print View

Eric, I know this garment is the perfect sounding board for your anti-elitist elitism, but give it a rest. You've made your point.

if you call wondering why not being able to wash this down jacket normally "anti-elitist" ... hmmm

forget about this particular $$$$ jacket for a second

one of the main reasons about why all this nano-down is supposedly "better" than regular DWR treated down is because its more "durable"

what happens if you wash this nano-down normally? ... will all future patagucci nano-down products require you to send it back to "preserve" the DWR?

Edited by bearbreeder on 03/03/2013 09:47:31 MST.