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Ultralight Closed-Cell Foam Mat?
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Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Ultralight Closed-Cell Foam Mat? on 02/28/2013 23:07:29 MST Print View

I have a torso-length thermarest. Since it was expensive, what's the lightest weight foam mat that will protect the 20" x 47" dimensions of my air pad?

It has to be closed-cell, I don't want to carry water around in it.

I would love if it folded into fourths like the pad in the Mountain Hardwear ThruWay 50


Edited by mdilthey on 02/28/2013 23:08:47 MST.

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Ultralight Closed-Cell Foam Mat? on 02/28/2013 23:14:31 MST Print View makes a pre-scored foldable EVA foam mat. and Lawson Equipment both make EVA foam mats in various thicknesses.

Charles P
(mediauras) - F

Locale: Terra
Re: Ultralight Closed-Cell Foam Mat? on 02/28/2013 23:19:14 MST Print View

just for protecting your inflatable pad? possibly this, but its sold out.

there's also this (which could be trimmed):

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Ultralight Closed-Cell Foam Mat? on 02/28/2013 23:24:29 MST Print View


Not answering your question... but instead of picking up yet another gear piece to protect a gear piece... in this case, why not spend an extra two minutes examining / clearing your campsite before plopping down your shelter and sleep pad?

I've been using air pads for years now -- including the UL Thermarest NeoAir -- and have never had a mishap. Of course, now that I said it...... :)

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Righto on 02/28/2013 23:43:14 MST Print View

Usually it's not an issue, but I'm thinking of that one night where we're on gravel and the weather is clear enough to sleep under the stars...

Ah, but maybe you're right. I figured the foam pad would be between 3 and 5 ounces, and multiple use as an instant nap whenever I wanted one without having to blow up the X-therm. That's almost worth it's weight in gold. I might just defer to the Z-light and leave the air pad for winter.

Edit: I should clarify. My modus operandus is to hammock camp, with the exception of nice summits and beaches where it's cold enough that you don't have bugs. Then I sleep under the stars. It is most excellent and often worth having a lightweight throw-around mat to take with you when you do it.

It's not something I'd carry all the time.

Edited by mdilthey on 02/28/2013 23:48:20 MST.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re on 03/01/2013 00:05:47 MST Print View

Lawson's 1/8th should weight 2-3 oz

Maris L
(Ablaut) - M
Re: Righto on 03/01/2013 00:13:51 MST Print View

I like the Lawson Equipment EvaRest 1/8" pads. Price is great when he puts them on sale, shipping is free over $10, customer service is excellent. The pads themselves work like they're supposed to. I chose these over the GG Thinlights because of the extra size Lawson speced his out to, leaving you extra to cut whatever you need.

Edit: Michael beat me - If you cut one down to size under your x-therm, it should only weigh between 2-3oz by my calc.

Edited by Ablaut on 03/01/2013 00:14:35 MST.

thin pad on 03/01/2013 02:08:07 MST Print View

I have a a Gossamer Gear 1/8 x 60 pad, weighs ~ 2.5 oz

Ian B.

Locale: PNW
Same thing from MLD on 03/01/2013 02:35:46 MST Print View

Mine's ~ 3oz on the scale and I haven't started trimming it yet.

Ian B.

Locale: PNW
Never mind on 03/01/2013 02:35:46 MST Print View

Double post

Edited by IDBLOOM on 03/01/2013 02:48:14 MST.

Tom Lyons
(towaly) - F

Locale: Smoky Mtns.
re on 03/01/2013 06:19:34 MST Print View

Gossamer Gear Thinlight pad, or Lawson's pad.
The word on the street is that Lawson's is slightly warmer for the thickness. Probably hard to tell exactly.

The thing with the CCF pads isn't the weight, but the bulk. But I do carry them in the winter. Not the summer.

David Olsen

Locale: Steptoe Butte
density of foam- warmth vs durability on 03/01/2013 10:34:20 MST Print View

Increase density, and tear strength etc increases. Decrease density, and warmth per weight increases. Also, the thinner the pad,
the lower the tear strength.

In other words there are trade offs.

Ross Bleakney
(rossbleakney) - MLife

Locale: Cascades
Re: density of foam- warmth vs durability on 03/01/2013 10:41:24 MST Print View

I use a GG thinlight pad with my inflatable (NeoAir). It adds a little bit more warmth and protection. It doubles as my sit pad. It may be overkill, but I feel more confident that way. Plus, it makes it easier when I'm inflating things in bug country. After assembling the tent, I just throw everything inside. Then I sit on the closed cell pad while I inflate the NeoAir (free from the nasty mosquitoes).

Daryl and Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Tear Strength on 03/01/2013 10:46:37 MST Print View

I notice that the ccf pads tend to tear most frequently at the edges. Running a strip of tape around the edges helps reduce this.

Chad B
(CenAZwalker) - F

Locale: Southwest
Protection on 03/01/2013 10:48:00 MST Print View

If you are just looking to protect the pad, I would go with 1/8". I have one of Lawson's Evarest pads and have been very happy with it. Looks like all his pads are out of stock right now. Gossamer Gear has 1/8" and other sizes in stock and on sale.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

I love it when BPL comes through! on 03/01/2013 10:53:23 MST Print View

Awesome! The Gossamer Gear pad looks perfect and only cost 10 bucks! I just ordered one, plus a pair of titanium tent stakes for my hammock's rain fly.

Perfect suggestion, just what I was looking for. Thanks again!

pad on 03/01/2013 20:45:20 MST Print View

Ive used just my GG 1/8" under my legs down into the upper 20s without issue with a quilt.

Even with an inflatable, always good to have some form of CCF for a backup in case of failure. Although the prolite self-inflating or such have some foam so will still offer something if fail. Also makes a good sit pad. Just roll up and put under top strap on pack, doesnt take up any room in pack there, and easily accessible for breaks.

Edited by livingontheroad on 03/01/2013 20:46:10 MST.

Richard Mock
(moxtr) - M

Locale: The piney woods
Re: Ultralight Closed-Cell Foam Mat? on 04/14/2013 15:06:11 MDT Print View

I have the Lawson's 1/8th in. pad and I see it as a good backup doubled for my Neoair I don't think it would offer much protection against sharps; especially single layer. I do like the Lawson products and service although he dosen't offer many products.

Hamish McHamish
(El_Canyon) - M

Locale: USA
_ on 04/14/2013 19:46:41 MDT Print View

I think it's smart to bring along a minimalist CCF pad (emphasis on minimalist). I use a 1/8" one I got from Lawson in tandem with a Thermarest NeoAir. I use a 3/16" one in cooler weather.

- At least in my area it is often impossible to 100% ensure a site is free of things that could puncture the air mattress. My understanding is that the desert dwellers find it very hard to eliminate all the spines/stickers/etc.

- The CCF pad is great for use during the day as a sit pad. In other-than-bluebird weather I always have a warm, dry, padded (lightly) place to sit and stretch out. I'd never do that with the NeoAir. I carry my CCF rolled on the outside of my pack.

- The CCF pad adds a bit of insulation/padding at night and a last-ditch backup for NeoAir failure. In a rougher situation where the weather was really threatening and the NeoAir popped, laying that 1/8" pad on top of a bushcraft bed adds a warm waterproof layer.

- A CCF pad offers many improvised options for medical care, which is great since so many of you BPL hardcores prefer 2-ounce medical kits! :)